Please help me make more HP! Did the easy stuff. need guidance please

[EMorad]

Hello all, I am new here to the forum. I have a 2004. 5 Dodge CTD QC 2500 4x4 laramie auto. Just registered here. Im looking to get some more power out of this truck, but I want it to remain as reliable as possible.



Current things done to the truck (been on for a year)

-EDGE Juice with attitude

-DTT input shaft/valve body?Convertor/servos/pump etc... built by Jack in IN

-K+N intake setup



This setup dynoe'd 410 WHP and 806TQ. I couldnt launch the truck and it didnt run better than 15. 3ish 1/4 mile (fully loaded down/****ty launch)



I have been talknig with EDGE and DTT for help and I have now ordered:

-DTT OUTPUT shaft

-Turbonetics upgraded turbo from DTT

-EDGE HOT BOX



Still stock exhaust all the way back



Any suggestions for other mods to compliment that setup while remaining reliable? I am sure at some point, it will be making too much power to be reliable. I dont want to get to that point.



I didnt buy injectors because I wasnt sure what power level the new mods were going to get me. Again, I want it reliable still.



Any suggestions for launching in 4wd? Bad idea? Any weak links I dont know about? driveshaft problems etc... ?



Suspension is all stock. Tires are 33x12. 5 on stock 17" rims



I am extremely new to this and dont have alot of info. I appreciate the guidance.



Few pics of the truck:

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[lmills]

theres quite a few things you could do. You could start with either a TS MP-8 or EZ to add some pressure. Adding a larger turbo would also net a few more ponies and free you up for future bombing. If you add much more HP, you will probably want to go that route anyway to keep it cool. The factory fuel system is adeqaute to the level you are at, but much more and it will need upgraded also. Then of course as you mentioned, you could also do injectors.

 

[KSears]

I believe I would do something with the exhaust before trying whatever you decide to do next , I put a 5" magnaflow on mine with not near the improvements you have made and it made quite a noticable diference on mine

 

[EMorad]

I put a 5" magnaflow on mine with not near the improvements you have made and it made quite a noticable diference on mine

5" from turbo back or do I modify the stock 4" exhaust? A guy that hauls cars for me has a stock 04. 5 CTD and all he did was remove the catalytic convertor and his truck is loud. I prefer the truck stay quite if possible.

recomendation?



I will say I dont even know where to buy anything other than DTT or edge. I am that new. I dont know what any of the abbreviations are at this point.

you need a turbo i reccomend a sps 62 or better

I ordered a larger turbonetics turbo kit w/ intercooler piping from DTT, but Iam embaressed to say I have no clue what size is on the truck or what size I bought. Ijust took their advice blindly. I have been so busy at work that I have had no time to research.



The stock injectors and pump can keep up with the new setup going on?





I do have a track meet with one of the other car clubs I am in and I want to make a pass or two an dyno the truck there. This truck is the tow vehicle for the other drag cars/s and I want to have some decent times and also try and compete with a friends whipple charged AWD Denali that already is a second faster than me (way better launch and 1000lbs lighter). He added a cam etc... since last time, so I have alot of catching up.

 

[lmills]

I'll go against the grain here. Exhaust is not needed. Get a good flowing muffler and if you want, eliminate the cat. The factory 4" piping is adequate past 600 Hp if built right. The key to lower EGT's is air flow.

 

[EMorad]

I have no clue or desire to know about any vendor wars. Just looking for some good info to safely make my truck a monster a few times a year.



So there is HP to be gained just changing the muffler? reccomendation? how much louder?



I have emissions here, so I prefer to not remove the Cat unless it were a huge limiter. Besides, the catless truck I heard was too loud for me.



Stefan, what are the specs of the stock turbo and the one I bought?



Wade, I will give you a call later.



Thanks for any/all advice guys. Trying to learn alot fast. Going to have some decent HP in the truck soon and want to make the right choices.

 

[lmills]

Don't look for HP gains in doing exhaust. It's not going to happen. Any gain will be marginal. The reason for elimnating the factory muffler is because it is restrictive and hinders the flow of exhaust leaving the engine. I am still running the factory piping and have no issues with EGT's loaded, empty or towing.

 

[john3976]

Ed as I said on the phone for a guy that wants great driveability with good power for playing around the DD/Edge jammer ball bearing turbo is awesome, the spool up is great and the EGT's stay with in reason.



Wade/Diesel Power is one of those fly by night knows everything type of vendors. I guess he knows more than the other vendors out there as remember he has been in this industry for a couple months now. :-laf Just look at the CP3 stuff for example he shoots his mouth off then wears egg on his face. :-laf



Notice all the threads that Wade/Diesel Power is in he also tells guys PM me so I can sell you something.

LOL. you better watch out, Wade/Diesel Power is going to turn you into the board mods for telling it like it is about him, LOL.



I had to place Wade/Diesel Power on ignore.

 

[GWBourne]

I believe I would do something with the exhaust before trying whatever you decide to do next , I put a 5" magnaflow on mine with not near the improvements you have made and it made quite a noticable diference on mine

i second this as well. exhaust is my next mod and im only running the Van Aaken C3. 2 (WOW by the way, love it)



i will also do timing via tone ring mod or a Rokktech sensor, and im looking into a new intake setup.



my truck scoots, and i hope ot put it on the rollers soon for a base line, then on each position for the Van Aaken box. after that the exhaust will go on and all three positions will be dynoed again... it will be a while though as funds are LIMITED.

 

[LAMiller]

If you want good 60ft times which are a must if you want a good ET at the track then you should invest in a BD RAD (Racer's Anti-Defueler)Box! It eliminates the factory torque management in the computer and you can do a 4x4 launch like no other!! But just make sure you have your billet input/output shafts in your transmission cause you will snap your stock ones with this box!

 

[EMorad]

I am in Plain City all the time (estates court (off post Rd)



Thanks for the advice. I dont want to launch this thing too hard, but a 1. 8 or 1. 9 would be nice. I heard some stories of drums and flexplates breaking. Do most believe these to both be weakpoints around 500+whp? What can I launch at and be safe?



Starting to think I should leave the truck alone and not bolt on the turbo or anymore power. Too many questions and I DONT want to break. :/



Sucks being a newb! :{

 

[tshort]

If you want to keep it somewhat quiet add a resonator and muffler, I have one on my 98 and it is considerably quieter than a 4" exhaust with just a muffler. Oh and you still have no restriction since they are both straight through. If you want more reliability with added HP, you should have looked into a set of towing twins, pretty much every vendor has them. From what I understand and have seen, you get good spoolup and lower EGTs. And it definitely doesn't hurt to add a fuel system whether you do your own or buy one. Just my 2 cents.

Ryan

 

[Tomeygun]

every thing thats been said about the cp3's has been validated (just ask tommygun)

haha, I dont want ANY part of this thread!

J/K



ED:

I ran the TST/EZ stack with a turbo and broke 500 everytime out. I see no problem why the HOT Juice/EZ would not be close to that



I say grab that turbo you ordered, slap an EZ on there, and call it done. That will get ya 500 all day long. If you want a fat midrange, then look into a CP3 mod, then injectors. This combo (big duration box, EZ, Cp3 mod, FLUX Injectors) got me a 604hp dyno graph, and man I love it!!

 

[EMorad]

Thanks for all the advice. If there is no HP to be gained from exhaust, it sounds like the only real reason to do it is if my EGT are too high. right? If that is the case, I will get the new turbo and box on the truck and see what it says and go from there.



Sounds like an exhaust cutout would be perfect for me since I want it quiet on the street and flowing nice at the track. Anyone make one that is bolt on for our trucks? I know QTP makes something, but not made specifically for our trucks.



As for the K+N, Stephan explained to me that the big problem is that most peole use an air gun to clean the filter and that destroys them. He suggests leaving the filter since I have never cleaned it improperly. I could buy a new one since it is cheap, but if there is no point...



I am not going to do the flexplate at this point, but maybe next year when I get the transmission gone through again. I just had it out with 9k miles on it, dont want to pay the big labor again. The outut shaft is the only trans mod I am doing this time around. (forgot to add the mag hytech pan to the list of mods. I have that)





As for the fuel delivery, is there any reason not to just slap a boost a pump or something inline to assist? Seems alot cheaper than other options. Thoughts?



Since I know I came off like a compelte idiot as far as diesels (which I am), that didnt mean I have no backround with vehicles. I do drag race a few other cars and also own a business that is auto related (small salvage yard). Still an idiot with diesels, just not a total idiot.



For those that care, we race front wheel drive 3. 8l cars. few links:



http://www.intense-racing.com/sponsor.html



few videos:

http://www.moradpartscompany.com/pictures/DRAG RACING VIDEOS/



our new chasis car almost finished, going to run 8's (shooting for 2400lbs/1000hp 3. 8l turbo)

http://www.3800pro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5563&highlight=morad+parts+company



scroll down for pics and on page 2



Thanks to everyone for all the help and PM's. For now, hoping for a 13 sec slip and tweak that by the end of the year. I prefer not to destroy such a nice truck making it a race vehicle. Lets hope I dont get carried away.

 

[lmills]

Oo. untill you get to a certain hp level say 400 + then you will need to open up the exhaust side of things

Really? I guess I am doing something wrong running mine thru the factory exhaust piping. :-laf

 

[angermanagement06]

you have fuel, now it time for air flow in and out of your truck, you need a turbo i reccomend a sps 62 or better---you also need an exhaust, yea get the hot juice too w/ the right combo you can put down 500hp all day long. good luck :-laf

I think i put 500 horses back in the barn just the other day but time will tell :--)

 

[blacksheep4x4]

Get a set of extrude honed injectors from Dynomite Diesel, and a Phatsaft 62 turbo from Industrial Injection.

 

[EMorad]

I already purchased the turbo from DTT, so that is taken care of.



Mods that will be on the truck are:



-EDGE HOT Juice with attitude

-DTT input shaft/outputshaft/valve body/Convertor/servos/pump etc... built by Jack in IN

-K+N intake setup (with new cone probably)

-Turbonetics upgraded turbo from DTT

-Mag Hytech (sp?) trans pan



still considering a few morethings like exhaust/injectors etc...



I have one month to get it all done and hopefully stomp on the whipple charged AWD Denali w/cam etc...



Injectors tough to replace? What is normal install cost?



Just saw this: http://www.dynomitediesel.com/tech.htm

pretty involved it seems. Exhaust is looking better than injectors now. lol

 

[BradyWilliams]

This thread is out of control.

Everyone has good ideas. That is what I love about this forum. We love selling you all our products and always wish you the best. It is fun for us to make great products that you like also. I hope this thread turns friendly! Thanks

 

[mattymac]

I would say get a pressure box (EZ or MP-8) and get a 4" muffler and ditch the cat (I did that to mine for $180 installed with a tip) Cheap HP. A pusher pump of some kind (like the fass) And a RAD if they are released yet for the 04. 5+. I think the Edge BB is very similar to the II SPS 62, good for 500 HP, so you should be good there. I dont see how that set up couldnt net some mid 13's and be a nice daily driver/tow rig.