Please post in support of illflem

[Whitmore]

Originally posted by klenger

Because this thread is in the "other" section, Bill won't be able to read them. Maybe someone can cut and paste the comments into an email for him, or let him use your login to read them.

Ken, that was my intensions with this thread. . to e-mail them to Bill, I also wanted to keep this in the Other catagory so it would only be viewed by we the members, I e-mailed Bill last night and soon got a return only to find out that he is very disgrunteled not only to one member but toward the lack of moderation on that particular thread, so with that I will say that Bills return is next to impossible at this time and I wish Bill all the luck in the world for his future challenges and I know his efforts will help us in other ways besides what we enjoyed here... ... ... ... . Thanks Bill



Cheers, Kevin

 

[Johnboy3]

Umm...

Regardless of whether Illflem was a great guy or not, doesn't it strike anyone as odd that he has to give his "farewell" post through another member? Or that such a highly respected moderator would be instantly banned from this website? I think everyone here needs to re-read Robin's post and understand that he was REMOVED not resigned. He can't come back right now even if he wants to.



I find it interesting that a guy on the side of diplomacy on the very thread he claims he "quit" over, resolves his battles by loosing his temper and dropping the F-bomb. He then goes on to use his higher authority, resources, and skills to try to get another member banned in the most backhanded, disrespectful way possible. How ironic.



I'm sure most members here will have the rest of the story soon and will think differently about this situation. I'm sorry to see Illflem go too. Unfortunately the things he did are, as Robin put it, unacceptable.

 

[krs]

Noone who wasn't in Vietnam knows anything about what went on there and each of us lucky enough to have come home from there only to be dumped on by the country as well as our fellow citizens for now over thirty years has to draw our own line of defense against it. What was said to Bill crossed his line.



You haven't earned the right to attack him.

 

[Johnboy3]

KRS, are you talking to me? I wasn't attacking anyone. I don't need to to earn the right to speak my opinion or rather facts. In fact, I don't need to earn the right to speak my mind on anything whether it's Vietnam, individual people, Iraq, diesels, or the actions of people who need to get a grip.

 

[JConley]

If a post on a diesel website is enough to get your blood pressure up, you either need help, or a vacation from the keyboard.



Anybody can write anything they want on this board, and it wouldnt bother me a bit. To be honest... I dont really care what you guys think. (Ok... some I do, but that is limited to the Texas group) As Robin said... reading and posting on this board is voluntary, and if you dont like what is being said, then dont click on the link.



Here is some advice... . If your mood and your emotions revolve around what a bunch of people say in a forum, then I would suggest getting another life. What is written in the "Other forum" is not important enough to get worked up over.



John

 

[QRTRHRS]

I have to agree with Johnboy3. I was not so much offended by what Bill posted but more so upset that he responded as he did. I am not a Vietnam Vet but did serve in 1970-72. While most of the guys I was drafted with and those I trained with were sent over, I ended up in Germany. I have lost friends both during the era and after directly due to the era. Bill did earn the right to speak his mind but that comes with a burden as we have seen. After reading CF's post on Bill's plans, perhaps he still has issues to deal with. Whatever. Being free to express your opinion can bite you in the butt.

 

[Steve M]

Bill cares about the people he associates with. That's why it's upsetting to him when things like this happen. But I like the way you put it JConley... I myself need to remove myself from thinking of you all as internet friends. You're all nothing more than words on the screen. I think that's a good idea.

 

[Tim1]

Banned?

WOW, this is strange! I missed it all. I logged on to the thread, wouldn't let me go there. Logged in again, no luck, censored? Finally after 4 tries, I get to the thread and nothing there about what happened to Bill. I didn't agree will bill sometimes, but to disagree is ok. Maybe its better that I don't know, as there is not the same well being on this site as there used to be, seems like alot of anger. Good luck illflem, maybe someone can e=mail me with the short version of what happened, I liked Bills input! Thanks fellas. Tim :-{} :-{}

 

[Mike Ellis]

I view the people on TDR as more than just words on a screen, even though I have only met a couple face to face. Look at Nowel, he's a lot more than just ASCII characters to me, so is QRTRHRS's grandson Justin. I imagine there are a lot of people out there in TDRland who hate the things I post. So be it, there are plenty of people in my day-to-day life who probably hate my views just as much. All I can do is post my honest views, be ethical in my conduct and try to be courteous in my interactions.



Some might say, "Well why post your opinions at all? That just invites argument, opinions are like lower apertures, everyone has one and nobody wants to hear about it... etc etc" My view is that the honest sharing of information is a good thing and worth the risk. If you ever work as a higher-level manager of other people, you will find out PDQ how hard it is to get an honest opinion out of somebody. Sometimes it is good to get set back on your heels by a torrent of people telling you that your views are idiotic, the reassessment can be productive.



Failure to get honest input out in the open early can lead to serious damage of relationships down the road. At our church one year, there was a committee in charge of procuring new carpet. They chose the cheapest they could get, which was an orange-looking shade. Nobody said anything until it was already installed, then a member bursts out "My God, that's the ugliest thing I've ever seen... ", the ladies in charge of the committee took it personal and cried, before the week was out we had several families leave the church. Seen the same thing so many times and so many places - over choir bells, football teams, oil choice, brand of computer, politics, you name it.



Sure wish I knew how to keep things from getting personal, if I had the answer I'd write a book and make a million $$$

 

[Camara]

In my short time being a member, I have seen Bill write many things. Mostly funny but all smart with words and wisdom. I personally have never met the man and maybe at an event I will have the pleasure of doing so. In my observations he is a very intelligent individual. Don't let this get to you, Bill. And besides don't make a mistake and leave. I think I can speak for a lot of people and we want to keep seeing you around. You have a home here. Come on back. SOON! It won't be the same without you. :-{}

 

[Steve M]

Mike,

The difference is, when a debate is friendly and conducted in an adult manner, it's interesting and informative. It might even change someone's mind about their own opinion. For example,

How do you think we came to exist?

I believe we evolved over millions of years...

That's an interesting theory but, I believe we were created by God.

Or, on the TDR "other" forum,

I believe we evolved over millions of years...

Oh, you're one of those bleeding heart liberal baby killers who thinks a monkey gave birth to a baby.

In the very simplistic example number two, rules were broken but nothing would happen. Why, I don't know. The rules are written in the forum guidelines. When a post is inflammatory or a personal attack, such as happened in the thread that escalated to the point that the personal attack on Bill that he and veterans like him are the reason we lost the Vietnam war was posted, and it's not nipped in the bud, it gets ugly, good people like Bill move on, and nobody benefits. The first post that was either bait or inflammatory, personal or hateful, should have been deleted whether it was the first or last post of the thread.

Trouble makers are the ones who complain when inflammatory posts are deleted. If we appease them over and over and cast rules and order aside, we'll wind up with a forum of disorderly trouble makers as reasonable people get frustrated and move on.

Chances are, we all disagree with our in-laws about something. But we keep it polite so as to avoid divorce or worse, a tense marriage. We could do the same here and discuss anything if we used the same tact and courtesy.

 

[JTBMC]

Hey Bill,

Sure wish you would come back, this place is not the same with out you.

TJ

 

[Steve St.Laurent]

Written by TDRadmin

Bill made demands of me. His expectations were not met.

Subsequently, he took actions based on his personal dissatisfaction. Those actions were unacceptable. Bill's remaining subscription has been refunded, and he will not be returning to the TDR website.

I think most of you are missing this fact. Bill made demands on Robin. Those demands were not met. He then took further actions on the forums which were unacceptable. His subscription was then refunded. He will not be returning. Out of respect for the contributions Bill made to the site over the years we will not go into further discussion or detail.



One thing I would like to clarify is that there seems to be a perception that we made major edits to the political thread in question. Let me be clear we deleted one post that contained an extreme expletive which was not aimed at Bill and the posts relating to that single post. Anything that might have been construed as a personal attack has been left there. The few times that we have tried to edit political threads the people involved on both sides of the argument were adamant that we should let them fly. Since both sides have always felt that way we do our best to stay out of them.



-Steve St. Laurent

Lead Moderator

 

[Newf Limo]

Sex, Religion, Politics, and Turbos. . . One of these things is not like the others. . . maybe we should just stick with that one.



Truly sad though. I've been around since hmm. . . October of '99, and it scares me to see this kind of occurance on the TDR. I also belong to Truck.net and it is the "norm" for them. I would really hate to see this forum go in that direction. I don't even visit there anymore, it's just bozo's badgering bozo's. We need to stick with the importnt things in life, the TDR is more than a forum, it is like a big family. We have to look out for one another, help one another, forgive one another, have a beer and forget about it.



Keep it going in the right direction folks or it will welf destruct.



. . . 'nuff said.

 

[ToolManTimTaylor]

TRUST ME... ... ... ... It ain't Bo Knows.







its Bill Knows













SAY IT AIN'T SO!

 

[Elite1]

Bill, I assume someone is forwarding you these posts, that is if you even care to read them. I have butted heads with you several times over political threads, although always civil. Back when I had my 96' you helped me out with several issues, also with storage tanks, tractors etc... I always read your threads with interest, like the maps of the Santa Barbara area.

Thankyou for your service on this board, and also thank you for your service in the war. Good Luck in Afagahnastan, if you go down that path... . sounds like quite an adventure! Take Care, Marty

 

[moparguy]

Bill, I'm saddened to read that you've left the TDR. No need to discuss the why, I trust that if you felt that was the best option, then you did the right thing.



However, I do hope that the day will come when you'll re-up. If not I'd sure feel privileged if you would drop me a e-mail. I'd like to maintain contact occasionally.



A friend from the South.



Ronnie

 

[NScott]

Take a poll!!!

I don't know how to set up a polling vote on the site, but I think we as a group should take a poll and see if we want Bill back. Maybe then Robin will contact Bill to discuss the matter further. What do you think???

 

[Steve M]

I think that's a great idea but Steve St. Laurent has posted the final word in the matter.

And in the family there was little Timothy and a Labrador retriever, one of the most patient and loyal dogs you could ask for. The dog was a faithful friend and always anxious to please. Unfortunately, little Timothy liked to poke sticks at the lab when no-one was watching. One day the lab took a stick to the eye and lashed out at Timothy. It was far from the first time and the lab had simply had enough. But, nonetheless, the lab had overstepped his bounds and was put down. Little Timothy was consoled and re-assured the bad dog wouldn't hurt him again. And such is life.

 

[MCummings]

Well, I must say, that Bill, you are a stand up guy. I've learned from you, and although not inline with your talking on TDR,, you sure did go down in style, and a blazing ball of flames.



I about fell over laughing at the edited SP post. Although it was low, and marked the TDR, I don't think anybody as popular, and helpfull as you has left with such a bang.



I've never met you, but by golly buddy, be safe in Afghanistan. See if you can get some more Bbl/Min out of those Diesel Irrigation pumps, and make that place bloom!!



I will miss your posts. Shoot me an e-mail now and then. I am interested in how things go over there. I realize you didn't retire from TDR, but, instead were banned, and refunded your money but in a way, you did retire, you just made TDR make that decision for you. If they hadn't banned you when they did, I think you would still be raising stink. Heh, Funny man you are. I think you've almost gone crazy,, of course you would have to be to go to Afghany.



Good luck bud. See you on the other side.



Merrick



P. S. Now Behave, somebody as old as you doesn't need to acting thataway.