Poor boy Plasma cutter

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Just thought I would let the memebership here know that if you are thinking about buy one of these systems. Don't. I have also put a pic here. It is a 2x2 square tubing. The big ugly cut is with the product in question and the left side of the tubing is cut with a real plasma cutter. Both were first attempts by me with both types of machines



Here is the site..... http://www.magnumusa.com/



The name of the company is Magnam Manufacturing Inc.



Here is a e-mail that I sent and the problems that I have had with this product, and their service.





As stated in your advertisement in the Farmer's hot line page 18. You stated that your

product does not produce smoke. In our testing we found that your produce does smoke. In fact in your web page you state... . "Magma technology makes about as much noise and smoke as a 7018 welding rod, which is minimal, yet amazingly powerful. "



Now how can your advertisement in the Farmer's Hot Line state "No smoke" and you state in your web page that is does make smoke. I think it is called false advertising or your product is defective



You also stated in your Farmer's ad that you "Guaranteed quicker job completions" Not true it takes longer than using a plasma cutter. You also stated you "Guaranteed unrivaled customer service". This also is not true. We tried to return your product and you told us that you would not take your product back.



After trying your product we came to the conclusion that your product does not live up to your advertising or your product is defective



We received your product on Feb. 8,2002 and talked to you that day that we were not satisfied with the results with your product. You told us to try it some more and that you would send us some more of your rods at no charge.



We tried it some more and the more we used the product the more it came apparent that your product was falsely advertised or defective



We called you first thing on Feb. 11,2002 and told you not to send the other rods because we were sending your cutter back. You also stated that you had already sent out the other rods even though you stated you would not send them till Feb. 11,2002. We explained to you that we were dissatisfied and were returning the product. You told us that we could not send the product back and threaten us with your lawyers.



As of Feb. 16,2002 we have not receive the free box of rods so we must guess that you were not tell the truth about this also.





You left us with no alternative but to stop payment on the check for $924. 00.



The product was returned to you by UPS on Feb,11,2002. You refused your product at 14:41 on Feb. 15,2002.



This e-mail is to inform you. That if you want your product back then you will have to request a UPS pickup. This unit will remain in our posession until you send a UPS pickup.



We have also informed the people at Farmer's Hotline of our experience with your product and service.



You might also look at your state law on "stop payment of check" Since you have threaten us with your lawyer you might want to read the statement below. Make sure you read # 2. and 3.



How to Sue for a "Stop Payment" Check

If you sue someone who has stopped payment on a check written to you, it is possible under some circumstances to be awarded the damages allowed by the "bad check" law under section 1719 of the California Civil Code. These damages would be, in addition to the face value of the check, three times the amount of the check with at least a $100 penalty and a maximum of $1,500.



The following conditions must be met in the case of a stop payment check:



1. You must send the maker of the check by certified mail a notice providing the information given in the sample below.

You must produce in court a copy of your written demand and a signed, certified mail receipt showing its delivery, or attempted delivery if refused, to the maker's address.



2. You must prove that the maker did not stop payment in order to resolve a good faith dispute with you. Examples of a good faith dispute would be the maker's claim that the goods were not delivered, or were defective or that there was an overcharge.



3. You must be able to show in court that you made a reasonable effort to resolve the dispute before going to court.



Since your product was defective in doing what you claim your product would do or you have falsely advertised your product and you have not made any reasonable effort to resolve the dispute and you have refused to even look at your product for being defective and refused to receive your product back for testing we will continue to enforce the "stop payment of our check"



Let me state one more time... . Since we spent our money in returning your product and you refused your product sent to you UPS. We will keep the defective product here until YOU send a UPS pickup for the product.



Dissatisfied customer Murle Blasingame
 
Good job Murle. With a cut like that I can see why they say it's ideal for scrapyard and salvage operations. I could make a cleaner cut than that with a campfire and hatchet... Made in China?
 
Yea you are right. You know I have bought a lot of suff in my time but this guy was the slickest con man I have met. In fact I asked him how he ever sold any of these if people tried them out first?

He told me he never let anyone try them until they bought one. He said he would demostrate them but would not let the people he was showing them too use it. Well I can see why!!!!!!
 
Hey Murle, seeing that you still need a plasma cutter, what are you going to buy? I just happened to check out the Miller catalog. I think that if I were in the market (I wish I could) I would buy a miller.



http://www.millerwelds.com/



The spectrum thunder or the 375 seem the way to go. I don't know prices.



Good luck in your battle with the inferior Mfr.
 
Miller is good

the Miller plasmas are the most efficient if yer worried about amperage draw(running off generator)

ESAB is about the same quality for a lot less money but suck more juice

tips are expensive on either

i like the torch of the ESAB cause its smaller and more flexible cord

i have a ESAB 1125

love it

but cant run it off my portable welder/generator
 
I bought the Miller Spectrum 300. It is a great unit but now I wish I had bought one or two steps up. It will do 3/16 mild steel very smoothly on 120VAC. I am told that going ahead and converting it to 220VAC will make it work even better.
 
Wayne I bought the Spectrum 2050 Miller. Love it. Got it locally here for 2200. 00. There is no substitute for a plasma cutter.
 
Lots of folks I have talked to can't say enough good things about the Hypertherm plasma cutters.



The big advantage to these units is that they have technology that reduces the amount of consumables that you will go through. In the long run, it'll save you a lot of money.



Hypertherm is also a one track company - by that I mean that they make plasma cutters and only plasma cutters.



I have nothing against ESAB and especially Miller (I love my Miller)... . but the more I read about Hypertherm the more I want one in the worst way.



Maybe I can get a discount if I pick it up at the company HQ - they're only right up in NH. :D



Matt
 
I've made better cuts than that using 1/8" 6011 soaked in water, running on 300 A. That is nothing more than a scam from the word go. IMHO



Keeps us informed of the out come!
 
To give a update on this... . UPS inspector pick up the Poor Boy cutter up from me about 3 months ago. They said they were going to ship it back to this guy and charge his account for the item. Said he was scamming. He was using old COD labels that UPS used to use. UPS has changed the way COD's are done to prevent this from happening again. I don't think this guy will be using UPS anymore.....
 
I didnt see the cut you are talking about

but in past experience

I can make better and cleaner cuts with a good clean tip on a good torch on thicker than 1/8" material



CLEAN TIPS ARE THE KEY



I only use my plasmas for non ferrous metals and thinner than 1/8" on steel



QUALIFICATION?

(I teach welding for a living and also run a welding and fabrication buisiness)
 
Agades: You need to chime in more often on my many metal fab threads!



You're right, though... . a plasma tends to round the edges off a little bit with thicker materials... it's the nature of the beast.



Have you ever used a plasma that will cut let's say for example... . 3/8" or larger? The cut quality of the medium to larger sized plasmas is allegedly very good - very much unlike the severance cuts of the smaller plasma units.



Matt



P. S. Are you hiring? :cool:
 
my machines are rated for between 5/8" and 1" thick material



they do an ok job up to 1/2" but I can do a better job with my oxy-acet torch



keep in mind when they tell you "its rated for 1/2" material"



its really only good for maybe 3/8"



moisture in the air lines is also a big no-no
 
Agades: Which brand of plasma cutter do you like best?



I'm going with a Hypertherm Powermax380. I think it should handle most anything I'd ever use it for... . Check it out here. I like this model because it can run on 115V or 220V.



Anytime you make a cut with any process - almost always you will have to prepare it before you weld it up.



I like the idea of plasma - you never run out of gas, it cuts VERY quickly, cut quality is very good (debatable on thicker stuff), plus it's just plain COOL! :cool:



Matt - disappointed that I can't work for Agades. :rolleyes:
 
hypertherm is a good machine



that one should work well

just keep in mind on 115v your drawing 28 amps from the plug

most outlets are only 20 amp

and on 115v you probably are not able to cut as thick



and with any plasma Ive ever used

if they say 1/4" capacity , 3/16" is more like it



Esab, miller , hypertherm and thermal arc

are the most popular brands that Ive seen



they all work well



I have Esab right now

works well but draws a lot more amps from the plug than most



miller draws the least power for the same output

I need to trade in one Esab for a miller because I cant run it on my generator (miller trailblazer)

I can run the miller
 
I have various flavors of 115/220VAC plugs in the garage..... if I ever needed to use the 115V option - it hopefully wouldn't be for anything but an emergency.



I would have liked to get a Miller - but the Hypertherm seemed like a better unit for the bread than what the other OEM's offered.



I'll let everyone know how I like it as soon as I get it.



Matt
 
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