Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) Power combo....Need opinions!

[C.MILLER]

What are your opinions on this combination. TST PM3, EDM Mach 2 injectors, and a B1B Quickspool turbo. I mostly drive in the city and often haul a 4000lb camper. Although this combo wouldn't put me there, I would love to have a 450-500 HP truck that was still reliable/driveable.



TIA,

Chris

 

[Sticks]

Go to some 120 hp injectors (stack the EZ with your TST), and you will be at or REAL close to the 500 mark. Throw in some water/meth injection and you definately will be past the 500 mark, and your EGT's will be under control.

 

[Hohn]

I would say that this is probably the BEST all around combo you can find. You will need a clutch to ge the power down (Try a SBC Con OFE or FE)



The only thing I would do differently is go a little bigger on the injectors. Try the Mach 3s first. Since you only tow 4K, AND you have a turbo in the package, these injectors would be completely safe. You can run a Mach 3 in the combo with the stock turbo, though you will get very hot with the box turned up.



Since you have a B1 in the mix, I would personally go with a Mach 3. 5 or Mach 4 and leave the box at the lower levels. Let the injectors do most of the work.



PMAX comp/EDM Mach 4s/ B1 turbo... that's an EASY 500 hp that's streetable too (though at high elevation you will get some off-boost smoke). Unfortunately, your nearing (or at) the limit of the stock headgasket.



So, if you are lower elevation, go with the Mach 3. 5 or Mach 4s. If you have resevations, or have to tow heavy (or want to play it safe) then go with the Mach 3s.





I WOULD HIGHLY DISCOURAGE STACKING AN EZ. There's simply too much timing for that amount of HP, and the marginal decrease in EGT (and slightly enhanced bottom end) is NOT worth hurting your engine. Some others will disagree with me, but I think many people (including me right now) are running overadvanced timing. The Edge boxes are just a little PAST the "Edge" in that area.



Go with the PMAX, EDMs and the B1-- there's not really much you can do to improve on that.





Justin

 

[Bob Wagner]

mach 3 injectors may be too big for towing, mach 2's are recommended for the towing guys and its plenty

 

[Hohn]

Agreed. I always say to choose the injector that is the largest you can safely run in a given combination under YOUR worst case scenario. So if you tow near max GVWR, choose the injector that will put you right near the edge of EGT limits with the box off.



Mach 2s are safe with the stock turbo and towing heavy if you are watching the pyro. With a B1, I was thinking EGTs would be manageable with the Mach 3s. Those turbos move a lot of air.



Mach 2s are a great injector (so I have read). I recommended going bigger simply because I think that I should have gone with a larger injector. DD2s are great, but they are more docile (heat and smoke) than I would have thought. So in retrospect, I would have gone larger.



With Mach 2s and a box, I have a hard time seeing how this wouldn't be a really enjoyable combo.



Your pick! I would tend go to with the larger injector with a manual transmission (you can drive around the heat) and one notch smaller with an auto transmission.





Justin

 

[C.MILLER]

Thanks for the info so far. I was told to go with the mach 2's as the 3's would approach the limits of the B1B Quickspool turbo. It does sound reasonable to let the bigger injectors do most of the work though. But the person I'm buying the injectors from definitely recommends the 2's over the 3's for this set up. More input please. Thanks again!! P. S. I have an automatic transmission upgraded by DTT.

Chris

 

[Bova]

I'm still looking for an easy 500HP.

 

[jrandol]

Originally posted by Bob Wagner

mach 3 injectors may be too big for towing, mach 2's are recommended for the towing guys and its plenty

I'm with Bob on this one, I think 3's will be to hot for pulling but might be a great street rod injector. F1 2's should be the ticket to do what you want and still be towable. Nothin worse than having all the power and havin to back out of it.

 

[Hohn]

Since you have the auto, might as well do the Mach 2s. Let's face it, you aren't giving up very much by going for 2s vice 3s, and the heat issues will be less. It's all about what you are using the truck for. If you tow, you will need the 2s. Between those and the PMAX, you should have enough power tow comfortably anything your truck legally can. Otherwise, look at an FL60. . hehe.



I am not going to position myself to where I am in disagreement w/ jeff and Rod (whom i assume you are talking to about Mach injects and B1s) unless i have a really good reason. Those guys have their poop in a group, and I would listen to what they say.



Go with the 2s.



Justin

 

[jrandol]

poop in a group... ..... Thats funny Hohn!! Oo.



Seriously though, I aint no genius in this stuff, just read alot and try stuff out too.



C. Miller, you know who I might recommend getting in contact with is a guy name Justin Mars. I dont know his TDR handle but his handle over on the DTR is StillPlow'n He is a heckuva nice guy and nowing running Mach3's. I know before the 3's he pulled pretty heavy at times but dont remember asking him if he has played with the EDM's and pulled. Might get in touch with him. I am running 3's but they are extrude honed so there is a difference but I sure wouldnt want to use these for pulling alot. It runs warm and at least for me, nothing worse than having lots of power but not being able to use it! hence the reason I cant wait to get twins!!! Oo. Oo. Can you say 500 fully useable HP??? Hope this helps some.



Jeff

 

[Hohn]

I can't take credit for the "poop in a group"... Someone else on the board used it and I picked it up there.



Justin