Guns, Bows, Shooting Sports, and Hunting Prairie Rats?

[HHhuntitall]

OH, man!!! IF you guys are not using the Sierra Blitz King bullets, you're missing out!!! They are super accurate above and beyond Barnes and Hornady, and have the same dramatic effect down range!! The Barnes are hard to get realy accurate, and Hornday's come and go by lot number. The Sierra's are always good, in my experience, and with a good rifle, prove to be accurate at further ranges. I use them a lot since Hornday's quality control has gone downhill, and have had really good luck in the . 224 and . 243 bullets. I've used them in my AR out to 400, and they work great. A bolt gun is more accurate, usually (especially with a Broughton barrel!! ), so I can score hits out to 600 pretty easy with my 6. 5x284. The light skinned 140 Berger's and Sierra Matchkings work really well, too, as they just come all apart on impact!!! I don't video it, but it can make for some fun watching!!!

 

[GHarman]

I Agree HHhuntitall!

We cant have a free-for-all on this forum!

I really enjoy polite discussion and story tellin', also!

That is one of several reasons I have stayed on TDR!

The Top reason is because of the Many GOOD people I have met here.

My participation wont last forever, so I hope to share it while the opportunity is here!

Life changes fast! We never know whats down the trail!

My pet peeve is that I just cant stand someone attacking another, just because they disagree!

I have "O" tolerance for bullys and finger pointers in a polite discussion!



You know that I love to build and shoot a rifle almost as much as I need to breathe! While life gets in the way

more often than not, for me? We do what we can, day by day. We understand that everyone's situation is different.

My experience in this area are not as extensive as yours, HH, but I do have some unique skills that

I hope to pass on to others that are starting out in this shooting game! The same with every other poster on these forums.

We learn or teach or do a little of both.

Everyone sharing our collective unique skills and experiences is what makes this forum so good!

Remember the adage; "Iron Sharpens Iron"! We sharpen each other and enjoy the process!

GregH

 

[JR]

Very well said Mr Harman and Mr Huntitall! I bet you both are pillars of your community!

JR

 

[VolsFan]

I have had a handful of people tell me I should try out the Sierra ammo. I have never been dissapointed w/ Hornady. if I switch, it will be in my . 22-250 as 60 gr. SP ammo has gone up sharply, that gun doesnt see much action anymore though as the . 204 crushes it in long distance shooting and ammo is a lot cheaper.

 

[ata]

You say that cause you dont know BIG! I believe you need to take some time out and BREATHE!

Remember, you started the crap slinging! Yes HE Was in the AIRFORCE and he Did have to be in defensive and offensive position, more than you will ever know and understand!!

You have no idea! The ending of this line of attack needs to start with you, ATA!

GregH

Answers.com>Wiki Answers>Categories>History, Politics & Society>History>War and Military History>Vietnam War>Did The Air force have combat troops on the ground in Vietnam?

Did The Air force have combat troops on the ground in Vietnam. The last war fought in which the US Army was strictly the US Army (with the exception of the new Green Berets in 1961); the US Navy was strictly the US Navy (with the exception of the UDT-Under Water Demolition Teams-also known as FROGMEN during WW2, becoming SEALS during the Vietnam War); the USAF was STRICTLY the US Air Force. During the Vietnam War, the only ground troops the USAF had was US Air Force AIR POLICE/SECURITY

 

[HHhuntitall]

Very well said Mr Harman and Mr Huntitall! I bet you both are pillars of your community!

JR

:-laf You so funny... . I'm just the crazy one they all leave alone... .

I have had a handful of people tell me I should try out the Sierra ammo. I have never been dissapointed w/ Hornady. if I switch, it will be in my . 22-250 as 60 gr. SP ammo has gone up sharply, that gun doesnt see much action anymore though as the . 204 crushes it in long distance shooting and ammo is a lot cheaper.

Dude, I don't know... . I've had both, and the last 22-250 I built was LETHAL out to 750-800yds... I used 80gr Berger bullets, and the only paper I punched with it long range (actually mid-range) was at 600yds... . It shot 2. 5" groups with very little wind, but the wind would kick your backside if it came up over 5mph... . I shot it alongside my 7WSM off the porch one day at 600yds, using 180Bergers, and the 7mms(both . 284 and 7WSM) were drifting @ 10" with a healthy 12-15mph crosswind, but the 22-250 was 36-40"!! The . 204 with 55gr or 40gr bullets was miserable... . The lack of sectional density doesn't give it much of a chance at that range... . I was shocked at how poorly the . 22-250 was doing... and greatly dissapointed... .



Does your 204 shoot better groups than the 22-250?

 

[GHarman]

Answers.com>Wiki Answers>Categories>History, Politics & Society>History>War and Military History>Vietnam War>Did The Air force have combat troops on the ground in Vietnam?
Did The Air force have combat troops on the ground in Vietnam. The last war fought in which the US Army was strictly the US Army (with the exception of the new Green Berets in 1961); the US Navy was strictly the US Navy (with the exception of the UDT-Under Water Demolition Teams-also known as FROGMEN during WW2, becoming SEALS during the Vietnam War); the USAF was STRICTLY the US Air Force. During the Vietnam War, the only ground troops the USAF had was US Air Force AIR POLICE/SECURITY

ATA,
The research is not credible! Broad references based on assigned duties never mirror the reality of the abortion(I cant use the best description) that was Vietnam. Helicopters are ground based, in country. Any permanent bases and landing zones where maintenance is performed, refueling and ammo loading, troup transport and medivac were centered, were subject to attack and being over run at any time. The more remote the location, the more likely you would be involved in a battle for your life! It was not uncommon for ground crews to double as gunners as well as perimeter security. This was SOP for all branches. I was on the ground as a Marine from February 1967 to June 1969, and it was a mess then! I worked with my own Marines, the Army and Korean Marines during my 2 tours. We all did far more that what our MOS suggested!
BIG was where he was at a later date and if you have followed all of his posts you would have a better understanding of the situation. I, like everyone else, who served will tell only what we are comfortable telling. If you dont wish to listen, dont reply, Very simple, very easy!
For some reason you have a bone to pick with BIG? May I suggest that you do it elsewhere? THIS is not the proper place! Thank you!
I will say no more on this subject!
GregH

 

[GHarman]

Very well said Mr Harman and Mr Huntitall! I bet you both are pillars of your community!

JR

I cant speak for HHhuntitall !

But, thanks, I THINK? Is that why somebody is always hammerin' at my column or peein' on my footings:-laf Dang!



No, I am just as tempermental and hardheaded as anyone on TDR! I can be sarcastic and nasty if I feel attacked!

I get pixxed off just like anyone else! I have good days and bad days, just like everyone else. It should not be, but it is the reality of it all!

So we try to reconcile and move on! When that doesnt work, then we have a problem.

Probably, like most folks here, If you won't tolerate it at home amongst family, why would you let a stranger run rough shod over you?

My goal, for me, is to try to be patient and see the other side of the issue, but, I'm not a door matt and I dont expect anyone else to be one either.

This method of communication further complicates the issue. You only read the words but cant see the person, read their body language or hear their voice.

Lots of room for even the best communicators to misinterpret a posting. (I could write a thesis on this one:-laf)

Just so you know that I am not perfect, Just Forgiven!

Thanks for listening!

Respectfully!

GregH

 

[GHarman]

I have had a handful of people tell me I should try out the Sierra ammo. I have never been dissapointed w/ Hornady. if I switch, it will be in my . 22-250 as 60 gr. SP ammo has gone up sharply, that gun doesnt see much action anymore though as the . 204 crushes it in long distance shooting and ammo is a lot cheaper.

I built a . 22/250 some years back using a 1-8" twist barrel. It would shoot the 80 Gr. VLDs @ a chronographed 3385 FPS using IMR 4831 powder. (Now I have to tell you that this was a load that is far above SAAMI pressure for this cartridge!) The 70 Gr VLDs were like lightnin' bolts. However, the barrel only lasted about 500 rounds and was wore plum out! I have another tube to put on it, maybe this summer?
I'll throttle the loads down some. I should be able to hit 3000 FPS with the 80-'s and 3300-3400 with the 70's and maybe triple the barrel life?
I dont know anything about the . 204 round! Thats something that will have to be left up to you younger shooters! My tooling budget is limited and I would rather build a rifle as to buying one already to go.
Building is 50% of the fun! Shooting what ya built is the icing on the cake!
GregH

 

[ata]

ATA,
The research is not credible! Broad references based on assigned duties never mirror the reality of the abortion(I cant use the best description) that was Vietnam. Helicopters are ground based, in country.
GregH

The AIR FORCE did supply and transport. Unless you where a PILOT or CREW you did not go into a COMBAT ZONE. That's why NO TRAINED COMBAT TROOPS.

 

[JR]

It is a sad day when someone gets called a liar for defending their own country. Thats quite bold of you ata, you must have quite the accomplished life to be able to look down on someone and yet be able to look at yourself in the mirror with no shame.

 

[ABennin]

First off I just want to say thank you to all for their service. I have friends and family(many of whom are C vets) who served.



A beer or two while target shooting is one thing. Being hammered and doing such is completley different. Now back to the original subject.



I consider praire dogs as varmints. We don't have any around here, thank god. Instead we have raccoons, possums, woodchucks, and Sandhill cranes. These are the ones most commonly causing problems. The raccoons cause a ton of damage to Ag Bags and corn fields. Last year at one Ag Bag we trapped over 30 raccoons which were promply shot. We also don't want them around the cows because of the possiblity of rabies. One thing I wish the state would do is allow a season on Sandhill cranes they can be more destructive than raccoons. We had them destroy half a field corn before they were forced to leave. In summer when I am cutting hay I find alot of "rodents" in the windrow. Some I knew were in front of me and I didn't stop others I hear go through the fluted rolls. I took out a whole family of raccoons this way once. I do stop to throw them in the woods, skunks require a trip back with a fork.

 

[BIGNASTY]

The AIR FORCE did supply and transport. Unless you where a PILOT or CREW you did not go into a COMBAT ZONE. That's why NO TRAINED COMBAT TROOPS.

ATA I have read your post and if you can read then read this. If you want to believe it FINE if Not THATS OK ALSO. Think about the concept for just a second. FAC( Forward air controllers) were directing air strikes on NVA and Cambodian commies . To stop the FAC ops from directing the air strikes on them they would have to STOP THE FAC PLANES. We were 3 miles from Cambodia and 3 miles from the Gulf of Thai, they would come across the border and HIT THE FAC BASE WHILE THE PLANES WERE ON THE GROUND TO PEVENT THEM FROM DIRECTING THE AIR STRIKES. WHO DO YOU THINK TOOK CARE OF THE FAC PLANES????? GROUND CREW'S DID THEY DIDNT FIX THERE OWN PROBLEMS GROUND CREWS FIXED THEM!!!!!!!!! I know that the Air Force are a bunch of Pu**y's compared to the rest of the military but when some A HOLE IS SHOOTING AT ME!!!!! CAUSE I WAS ON THE FAC GROUND CREW im NOT GOING TO SET THERE AND TAKE IT WITHOUT SHOOTING BACK. For a little insight on thing you mite want to read up before sticking your foot in your mouth. I get close to 1800 dollars a month for (according to you) NOT BEING IN A COMBAT ZONE. If this is true please dont tell anyone they might want the money back and after close to 40 years thats a few dollars.


Operations in Cambodia

The communists stockpiled large amounts of military supplies in Cambodia that they had brought down the Ho Chi Minh Trail and up the Sihanouk Trail from the port of Kompong Son on the Gulf of Thailand. Also, they had attacked South Vietnam from sanctuaries in Cambodia. On 30 April 1970, the U. S. and South Vietnam sent ground forces into Cambodia to destroy communist supplies and sanctuaries. Although American ground forces withdrew from Cambodia, the air interdiction campaign continued; USAF FACs were there to support the effort. A detachment of the 19th TASS patrolled Cambodia in support of the Cambodian troops and used the call sign Rustic. To communicate with the Cambodian forces, the Rustics flew with French-speaking interpreters. [50] The American FACs would covertly support the Cambodian non-communists by directing massive U. S. air strikes until 15 August 1973. [49]

The rest of the story

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_air_controllers_in_the_Vietnam_War



and the rest of the FAC history if you care to read about it. SO SHUT UP YOUR MAKING YOURSELF LOOK REAL STUPID!!!! NOTHING NEW BUT JUST COMPOUNDING THE FACT THAT YOU ARE.

 

[BIGNASTY]

My dad and I are planning a road trip out west pulling a toy hauler with my truck this summer to bust some prairie dogs. I think both of us are going to take our Ruger M77 . 204's. I have an M77 . 22-250 and 700 BDL . 223 and prefer my . 204 to both of them for general varmint hunting. Here in the east I use it effectively on fox, coyotes, groundhogs. Excited about shooting prairie dogs, looks like fun. I am not familiar with shooting the SX Hornady ammo. Hornady is the only ammo I shoot out of my varmint rifles, SP and the v-max.

VF

If you are planning a road trip to shoot what ever it is YOU call them :-laf Please dont make the mistake that so many do. The 204 is a fine round for sure when we are shooting (with or without having a beer) a few friends have them and they ARE IF FACT VERY FAST AND VERY ACCURATE until the wind comes up and I dont know where your going on your trip but most places that have the little buggers IS WINDY. A heavy bullet holds point of aim better in wind. When we shoot these Pot Guts I take several rifles the reason being HEAT I use 2 Rem 700 Varmit Specials When you first start shooting its SLOW but as the day progresses it speeds up and the rifles GET SUPER HOT. So by having several weapons you can trade off and shoot distance, short, mid range and save your weapons from barrel burn up. I like the . 220 Swift over the 22 250 but the rifle that I have the swift in is not a heavy barrel and heats up even faster BUT IT REALLY GRINDS THEM UP :-laf

When I said I use the Hornady SX I use ONLY the bullets reloading is the only way that I could afford to shoot as many rounds as we do on these shoots.

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HH I have used Sierra bullets and find them to be OK but you know that 2 guns of the same type could and do like different components to shoot accurately. JMO NO 2 ARE THE SAME. I just like Hornady for almost all my shooting execpt hunting bullets and that would be a diffrent post.

 

[Tractorat]

the USAF was STRICTLY the US Air Force. During the Vietnam War, the only ground troops the USAF had was US Air Force AIR POLICE/SECURITY

Not sure where you got that from. Just what is your definition of ground troops ?

 

[BIGNASTY]

I thru talking to ANYONE ABOUT WHAT I DID in Vietnam IM THE ONE THAT HAS TO LIVE WITH WHAT I DID, AND WHAT HAPPEND TO ME





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Now if you dont mind I have a 3 SCANDLEY DRESSED SIL's a MIL AND HER FREIND AND A FANTASTIC LOOKING WIFE dressed in ALMOST NOTHING!!!!!! waiting to go to Dinner and then DRINK A FEW BEERS AND WATCH A SHOW.



PS



IN THIS STATE YOU CAN GO RENT AND SHOOT AN M60 :-laf:-laf:-laf:-laf CAN YOU FRIGGING BELEIVE THAT!!!! :-laf:-laf

 

[d6c]

First off... . spent a lot of time at sandlake 4 wheelin when I was a lot younger... . middle of nowhere, making you a "city slicker" only if you are some sort of import. I haven't touched a drop for coming up on 18 years now, but I still shoot. The question sir is what law were says you can't drink and shoot on your own property?? I am not saying it is wise, just there is not anything on the books in Oregon supporting your claim of "big ticket and confiscation of your guns". Now admittedly maybe in municipalities, but not Statewide no how , no way.

Yep I'm a CITY SLICKER I guess. But apparently there are a lot of people that don't know it's illegal to drink and shoot even on your own property. Big ticket and confiscation of your guns. BIG has a BIG problem of thinking he can do anything and everything. But if you go back and read his post, there is so much B. S. BIG I hope you don't shoot your other foot off drinking and shooting?

 

[Bill Stockard]

Instead we have raccoons, possums, woodchucks, and Sandhill cranes. These are the ones most commonly causing problems. The raccoons cause a ton of damage to Ag Bags and corn fields. Last year at one Ag Bag we trapped over 30 raccoons which were promply shot. We also don't want them around the cows because of the possiblity of rabies.

I know what you mean about the raccoons. We have a problem with them too, but I'm doing my part... the buzzards are "feasting" on fresh raccoon in our pasture right now as I type.



Bill

 

[ABennin]

Hate them things, in the winter they like to find their way in the barn and crap on hay bales upstairs. Also in the morning they sit on a long conveyor from the silo's to the feed bunk. You fire everything up and go out to check it and once in a while get startled by one falling out. I swear sometimes they must be running on it like a treadmill before they fall out the end a minute later.

 

[ata]

First off... . spent a lot of time at sandlake 4 wheelin when I was a lot younger... . middle of nowhere, making you a "city slicker" only if you are some sort of import. I haven't touched a drop for coming up on 18 years now, but I still shoot. The question sir is what law were says you can't drink and shoot on your own property?? I am not saying it is wise, just there is not anything on the books in Oregon supporting your claim of "big ticket and confiscation of your guns". Now admittedly maybe in municipalities, but not Statewide no how , no way.

Got it from an Oregon State Game officer. He said being under the influence and in possession of a fire arm is a felony offence. On your own property they have to be called (problem) or a warrant and still a felony offence.