propane or nitro which is better and why

[moolie]

I just want some feedback on which is better and why. I am looking at the hp they make. The overall cost. The long term damage. I am also wondering about the overall safety factor. I'm not richard prior. I thinkn nitro gives the most bang for the buck. I have recently seen a couple video's of gas powered vehicles bursting into flames. I didn't like that thought. Propane again highly combustable. I have heard some bad opinions regarding this matter. I also heard that the propane being -30 degrees is good since it cools your cylindar walls. He has a kit on an older powerjoke and it has been in place almost 4 years he loves it. Said it gave him like 120 hp something like that. Now for the damage how much integrity of the engine is compromised for a sparatic user. Or do you wanna keep the propane all the time set up less aggressively. I'm under the impression u cannot do both at the same time. thanks for anything u can tell me.

 

[BTighe]

a guy once told me that my engine will burn about 85% for the oil in the fuel. he said the other 15% helps lube the engine. then he told me if i add propane it will burn about 99% of the oil. sounded good and efficient till he reminded me about the 15% helping to lube the engine, injectors, ect. . i havent heard anything good about propane from anyone who knows anything about diesels. i myself would go near it but then again i dont have the money to replace my engine should **** happen. just my opinion. good luck

 

[Forrest Nearing]

do you mean nitrous? nitro = nitromethane



never heard of a nitrous backfire on a diesel...



Forrest

 

[moolie]

no2 is what i was referring to, sorry about that. I saw ignition on a gas motor in the video so i just asked the guy selling the kit about it. He said "on a diesel it's a lot safer than on a gas motor". I responded with "safer then propane?" he said no.

 

[JR2]

Just say no to drugs.





With that said I think I would try to milk every bit of power you could with the boxes,turbos and tuning before I went to drugs. There are guys laying down over 600 on #2. Once you beat that add some N20. Propane is for BBQ's.

 

[SRadke]

I would try to milk every bit of power you could with the boxes,turbos and tuning ... ..... Propane is for BBQ's.

With this I agree.



-Scott

 

[Cooker]

I would run nitrous before propane. You have to have a lot of fuel for nitrous to be most effective.

 

[moolie]

well i'm not sure my options are as far as higher hp. I could scrap the ats 100 hp injectors and get some mach 6 and then that's 120 over what i got now and then i gotta get some twins u know big brother or something. I have no clue i was hoping the killerb2 would be useable in a setup that htt was coming out with but i don't know every time i talk to paul the date seems to get a little further so i'm not a patient man so i'll wait a bit more then go with whatever is available. I do however wonder what a 300 hp nitrous bottle would do for a guy i bet it's intense, the truck now is pretty out of control at certain times.

 

[Mark_Kendrick]

Nitrous is relatively safe. gassers blow up because they run a 'wet' kit. They mix fuel with the NOS wich makes a cubustible mixture. Diesels use a dry kit. . no fuel in the NOS system.

If you get too much it just puts out the flame. Think if NOS as 'turbo in a bottle' it also acts as a superb intercooler.



Propane has two effects. It acts as a catalyst to the dieseling process and it acts as a fuel (in sufficiently high quantities). the catalyst increases the burn rate of the diesel fuel giving the effect of advancing injection timing. The result is a quicker buildup of cylinder pressure.

To get the catalyst effect it takes 2-5% mix of propane. above that it takes a 10-15%(or more) mix to get significant HP gains. At some point you will reach a combustible mixture prior to diesel injection that will result in premature ignition.



In short very small amounts of propane help mileage and clear up smoke... large amounts destroy head gaskets.



If you really want power increase the amount of diesel fuel and air that goes into the motor. Drugs are really a stopgap. They are not well suited for everyday use as power adders.



FWIW,

Mark

 

[Rotty]

Stupid question here, What would happen if you added nitromethane in varing percentages to the diesel fuel?

What is the cetane/octane of nitromethane?



Has anyone tried this yet?

 

[Hohn]

Stupid question here, What would happen if you added nitromethane in varing percentages to the diesel fuel?

What is the cetane/octane of nitromethane?



Has anyone tried this yet?

What would happen? Most likely, explosive engine failure.



Nitro(methane) is a self-oxygenating fuel and very unstable. It burns VERY hot (1300-1500° just open flame!).





Even in small quantities, I think that nitro could do some real harm. Nitrous oxide is much safer because it rides on a buffer of excess nitrogen (which is inert).



Nitrous is, to me, a much better option than propane.



Justin

 

[NPloysa]

Stupid question here, What would happen if you added nitromethane in varing percentages to the diesel fuel?

What is the cetane/octane of nitromethane?



Has anyone tried this yet?

If it's related to Nitroglycerin one would take a wise guess as to what it could do

 

[moolie]

so could a guy set up like a 2 stage process with like propane on one stage and then have it shut off automatically and then switch to like a nitrous setup. I hear that you can't run both at the same time is this true? So what about in a staged event like the one above or if you were to vice versa the order of the 2 substances. I have seen 2 stage nitrous kits everywhere, has anyone ever done a 3 stage or even heard of it and is it even possible? Some crazy freak will try it someday.

 

[Jetpilot]

Moolie,



You can run both at the same time..... I did it for a while. As for staged Nitrous, I was running a 2 stage setup, you can run as many stages as you have solenoids, but at some point you are adding too much nitrous and it will hurt HP.



Doug

 

[BPonci]

Why not run water/meth? It is safer that propane or nitrous. 128hp gain!

 

[KLockliear]

LPG works, up to a point. We found that while you could get 75-80hp with LPG on a 300hp truck, once you got to the 550rwhp level on #2, the LPG was only worth about 30hp... so there are deminishing returns.



N2O (nitrous) requires an overabundance of fuel to be present, to have something to react with. If you don't have that fuel, you don't get a gain. It is nice that you can have a truck that is fueled heavily, run a smallish turbo for the power it makes, and make it up on nitrous, where the smallish turbo keeps driveability in the green. However, those smallish turbos usually hurt power on top, can increase EGT and may blow up with the "hit" of the nitrous. You'd also want an adjustable box to be able to turn off this overabundance of fuel when you're not running the squeeze.

 

[Mark_Kendrick]

Why not run water/meth? It is safer that propane or nitrous. 128hp gain!

Ponci is right. If drugs are the ticket for you water meth in a 50/50 mix is worth an easy 100hp at a 2qt/min flow rate.



It's fairly low buck to put in and cheap to operate. Methanol goes for about $2-3/gal. 1 gal is good for 4min of running (16 passes at the strip). It's a real kick in pants when it hits



Later,

Mark

 

[crawler]

Or if you're wanting to step out there a bit, and have the truck set up for it. Run all three if you're of strong stomach.



Nitrous and water/meth are great propane is a last resort in my book. For me propane is the last option.



Later,

Wes

 

[moolie]

damn that's a ton of increase the guys at this elevation are saying about 60 hp

 

[KLockliear]

Or if you're wanting to step out there a bit, and have the truck set up for it. Run all three if you're of strong stomach.



Nitrous and water/meth are great propane is a last resort in my book. For me propane is the last option.



Later,

Wes

By the time you're done adding nitrous and water/meth, you won't get anything out of LPG.