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Yea, we could rank right up there with other countrys like Afganastan, Saudi, and Iraq... .....
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Mack did say "more than a reasonable doubt... . ". What justifies guilty? Was OJ guilty? Semantics can be the ugliest thing ever allowed in our courtrooms. If that baby killer, Alahandro Avila was dealt with in the past rather than having the system play a word game that precious little Samantha would still be alive.
IMO, more than a reasonable doubt is good enough... I am still out on the shoot em right there thing... . but our system does state "guilty BEYOND a reasonable doubt". Afghanistan or Iraq do not even have a "real" justice system.
Mike
Mack did say "more than a reasonable doubt... . ". What justifies guilty? Was OJ guilty? Semantics can be the ugliest thing ever allowed in our courtrooms. If that baby killer, Alahandro Avila was dealt with in the past rather than having the system play a word game that precious little Samantha would still be alive.
IMO, more than a reasonable doubt is good enough... I am still out on the shoot em right there thing... . but our system does state "guilty BEYOND a reasonable doubt". Afghanistan or Iraq do not even have a "real" justice system.
Mike
I got it! Let's treat the crooks like the witches back in the 1600's. We drown them or burn them. If they survive, they truly are criminals and if they don't, I guess they're innocent and can be set free at that point. :{
Indisputable proof of guilt might be enough. But when you have elected public officials 'steering' evidence to convict a convenient suspect instead of the truly guilty party, then even reasonable doubt is not enough.
If someone is indisputably guilty of a heinous crime, then he should be hanged in public until he is dead.
There is the prohibition against cruel and unusual punishment.
Public executions accomplish several things. They permanently remove the criminal from society, thus preventing him from further damaging society. They show the public that the criminal has *truly* been dealt with, once and for all. They provide definite closure, so victims can get on with their lives.
Fest3er
HELL YES, put the fear of God in em. They'd think twice about crossing the line. Just think how low our taxes would be. Put allot of lawyers in the unemployment lines too.
Has it worked?
Has the death penalty worked so far in detering crime? No, you have the same number of slime you always have had. You are paying the same taxes, because for every one you execute you gain four off the streets for some drug charge. These child kidnappers/murderers are coming out of the woodwork right now, and execution in public will just put their name bigger, in lights for all to see. Maybe somone can then write a book about them after. So the cycle can start over after some borderline pervert can read it and decide its the way to go.
I say put them in the dirtiest, darkest hole with Bubba the 6'7" turkish Guy that just loves child molesters for 100 years +. Let them appeal all they want, but be advised that any appeal will be paid by them, including court costs. Even having the death penalty does not ensure that the person convicted will have a swift execution and too many times the perp will sit on death row for years with you paying the bill.
The question of guilt can be decided by man, death should be decided by God... ... Or we put ourselves in the same class of people as the murderer.
Has the death penalty worked so far in detering crime? No, you have the same number of slime you always have had. You are paying the same taxes, because for every one you execute you gain four off the streets for some drug charge. These child kidnappers/murderers are coming out of the woodwork right now, and execution in public will just put their name bigger, in lights for all to see. Maybe somone can then write a book about them after. So the cycle can start over after some borderline pervert can read it and decide its the way to go.
I say put them in the dirtiest, darkest hole with Bubba the 6'7" turkish Guy that just loves child molesters for 100 years +. Let them appeal all they want, but be advised that any appeal will be paid by them, including court costs. Even having the death penalty does not ensure that the person convicted will have a swift execution and too many times the perp will sit on death row for years with you paying the bill.
The question of guilt can be decided by man, death should be decided by God... ... Or we put ourselves in the same class of people as the murderer.
Champane Flight "Has the death penalty worked so far in detering crime?"
Do some research, go back to the 1800's and the 1st part of the 1900's. Crime was virtually non-exsistant by today's standards. People had respect for other people's property and they knew if they crossed the line they would have to pay. There was no "Bleeding Heart" society in those days. The lawlessness portrayed in westerns these days are only sensationalism at it's best, and the farthest thing from the truth and the way things really where. One reason for that was the coming of guncontrol, which is a whole nother subject.
Do some research, go back to the 1800's and the 1st part of the 1900's. Crime was virtually non-exsistant by today's standards. People had respect for other people's property and they knew if they crossed the line they would have to pay. There was no "Bleeding Heart" society in those days. The lawlessness portrayed in westerns these days are only sensationalism at it's best, and the farthest thing from the truth and the way things really where. One reason for that was the coming of guncontrol, which is a whole nother subject.
Here's another thought...
And it all has to do with society's attitude today, and the lack of having the "Fear of God".
Back in the early to mid 60's I can remember going to the store with my mother to go shopping. My father would hae been at work. That's a novel thought, husband and wife (MALE & FEMALE) raising 3 children. Anyway;we wouldgo to the store or run errands and never lock the house, not even the screen door. Now keep in mind this was not out in the country, this was in a middle income housing develpment where all the houses look the same. And guess what we were 3 streets away from the railroad tracks. Back in those days times were tough for some and there were allot of homless and transients passing through riding the trains. Hobos as we called them often wandered through the neighborhood but they never bothered anyone or anyone's personal property. They knew the consequences so they never bothered anything.
In today's society can this still be done? What a joke! And why?
And it all has to do with society's attitude today, and the lack of having the "Fear of God".
Back in the early to mid 60's I can remember going to the store with my mother to go shopping. My father would hae been at work. That's a novel thought, husband and wife (MALE & FEMALE) raising 3 children. Anyway;we wouldgo to the store or run errands and never lock the house, not even the screen door. Now keep in mind this was not out in the country, this was in a middle income housing develpment where all the houses look the same. And guess what we were 3 streets away from the railroad tracks. Back in those days times were tough for some and there were allot of homless and transients passing through riding the trains. Hobos as we called them often wandered through the neighborhood but they never bothered anyone or anyone's personal property. They knew the consequences so they never bothered anything.
In today's society can this still be done? What a joke! And why?
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Mike Ellis
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I believe they should be public, however they should NOT be put on TV, we already have enough glorification of the criminal idiots as it is. Some sick people envy these felons and try to emulate them, no sense making it easier.
My vision of public execution is more tightly controlled - EVERYONE involved in the trial, conviction, and sentencing, from the reporters, bailiffs, and witnesses on up, should be required under penalty of law to attend the execution and view the body up close afterwords. Victim's families get front-row seats, no one under 21 admitted. No photographs or video allowed, only written media reports. Any other folks involved in the crime (accessories who don't get death sentence etc) should be forced to attend as well.
Bottom line: The very real possibility of a death sentence should be pounded home to the criminal element. Likewise, those passing sentence on the criminal need to understand in vivid detail the consequences of their decision. Extinguishing a human life is something that should NEVER be taken lightly.
My vision of public execution is more tightly controlled - EVERYONE involved in the trial, conviction, and sentencing, from the reporters, bailiffs, and witnesses on up, should be required under penalty of law to attend the execution and view the body up close afterwords. Victim's families get front-row seats, no one under 21 admitted. No photographs or video allowed, only written media reports. Any other folks involved in the crime (accessories who don't get death sentence etc) should be forced to attend as well.
Bottom line: The very real possibility of a death sentence should be pounded home to the criminal element. Likewise, those passing sentence on the criminal need to understand in vivid detail the consequences of their decision. Extinguishing a human life is something that should NEVER be taken lightly.
Champane Flight : "Has the death penalty worked so far in detering crime?"
No it hasn't. The reason being very,very few ever see the death penalty.
I can kill someone today, and would be willing to bet I can get a free ride in prison with 3 squares, and activites for the rest of my life. Likelyhood of death penalty, much less, actual death is slim to none.
That is why I say, found guilty, shot dead... . Wouldn't THAT give those crooks something to consider. Actual consequences for your actions. NOT in America (anymore)
Sorry if I offend some about this..... NOT
No it hasn't. The reason being very,very few ever see the death penalty.
I can kill someone today, and would be willing to bet I can get a free ride in prison with 3 squares, and activites for the rest of my life. Likelyhood of death penalty, much less, actual death is slim to none.
That is why I say, found guilty, shot dead... . Wouldn't THAT give those crooks something to consider. Actual consequences for your actions. NOT in America (anymore)
Sorry if I offend some about this..... NOT
Crime
In the 1800s and early 1900s there were a whole lot less people than there are now. Most were being raised by two full-time parents who taught morals and values through hard work. Even in the sixtys people in rural and city atmospheres had one of the first and best neighborhood watchs ever. It didn't have to be taught to people, each knew to watch after each other. Same with the 1800s. We also have the news media sensationalizing every murder related crime and us seeing it within minutes of the crime.
Nowadays you have kids with morals being taught by video games and parents too stressed with two jobs to teach them different. You have children raising themselves, with their local drug dealer looked at as a hero. With death taught as a game by so many factions of todays society (including the pro-death penalty people), that facing the death sentence is nothing to them.
Then you have the court system with a abundance of lawyers looking for a name and willing to set known criminals loose on the street to better their chances for book sales or just plain MO-MONEY. Bleeding hearts? No, none here, just too many people looking for more blood at every turn. It has to stop someplace or our society is just as guilty as the murderer... .....
We had a thread going on drug legalization, that is one of the biggest tax eaters ever invented, the war on drugs has failed and we continue to pour more money on it. Compare 12000 drug related convicts in for 30+ years to 22 on death row for 10. Whats wrong with this picture?
Sorry you will have a rough time labeling me as a bleeding heart, as my form of punishment is real time compared to getting off easy by going to sleep on a table.
In the 1800s and early 1900s there were a whole lot less people than there are now. Most were being raised by two full-time parents who taught morals and values through hard work. Even in the sixtys people in rural and city atmospheres had one of the first and best neighborhood watchs ever. It didn't have to be taught to people, each knew to watch after each other. Same with the 1800s. We also have the news media sensationalizing every murder related crime and us seeing it within minutes of the crime.
Nowadays you have kids with morals being taught by video games and parents too stressed with two jobs to teach them different. You have children raising themselves, with their local drug dealer looked at as a hero. With death taught as a game by so many factions of todays society (including the pro-death penalty people), that facing the death sentence is nothing to them.
Then you have the court system with a abundance of lawyers looking for a name and willing to set known criminals loose on the street to better their chances for book sales or just plain MO-MONEY. Bleeding hearts? No, none here, just too many people looking for more blood at every turn. It has to stop someplace or our society is just as guilty as the murderer... .....
We had a thread going on drug legalization, that is one of the biggest tax eaters ever invented, the war on drugs has failed and we continue to pour more money on it. Compare 12000 drug related convicts in for 30+ years to 22 on death row for 10. Whats wrong with this picture?
Sorry you will have a rough time labeling me as a bleeding heart, as my form of punishment is real time compared to getting off easy by going to sleep on a table.
Champane Flight, I am using the term "Bleeding Heart" as as a term to characterize the way society is going today. Liberal, or forgive and forget.
I agree there are a whole lot more people around today than there was then. The point is that if people knew today that they would TRUELY be punished for their crimes there would substantially fewer being committed today. The news media like guncontrol is a whole different subject than this one.
And blood is what I will take if me or my family is assulted!
I agree there are a whole lot more people around today than there was then. The point is that if people knew today that they would TRUELY be punished for their crimes there would substantially fewer being committed today. The news media like guncontrol is a whole different subject than this one.
And blood is what I will take if me or my family is assulted!
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I think the words we are looking for are "People don't take responsiblity for their actions or make their children take responsiblity" Our society has become one big "it's not my fault" It makes me sick 
If you started killing the bad guys one group after another would object and blame the criminals behavior on someone or something. The sad thing is that half of the people walking around would agree with them. That is one of the things I like about this TDR group. It seems that most people that drive a Dodge CTD and belong to this forum are the kind of person that does take responsiblity for their actions.
If you started killing the bad guys one group after another would object and blame the criminals behavior on someone or something. The sad thing is that half of the people walking around would agree with them. That is one of the things I like about this TDR group. It seems that most people that drive a Dodge CTD and belong to this forum are the kind of person that does take responsiblity for their actions.
If we had Public Executions, what kind of Public Executions should they be?
Guillotine?
Hanging by the Neck?
Impalement?
Electrocution?
Firing Squad?
Staked to an Anthill?
Killer Bee?
Other?
Doc
Guillotine?
Hanging by the Neck?
Impalement?
Electrocution?
Firing Squad?
Staked to an Anthill?
Killer Bee?
Other?
Doc
Hang Em, and and put it on closed circut televion in the prisions for all the criminals to see.
i say go with the guillotine. quickest way, but don't give 'em a hood, so they can see the blade drop. . also, after they are dead, the body is in good condition, which will allow organs to be donated to potentially many people who need new hearts, livers etc... so one life taken can 2 or more...
Re: Has it worked?
Well lets see..... many states have a "death penalty" on the books, but the way their written makes it highly unlikley that the individual will die from anything other than old age.
It dam for sure would stop repeat offenders though.
Eric
Well lets see..... many states have a "death penalty" on the books, but the way their written makes it highly unlikley that the individual will die from anything other than old age.
It dam for sure would stop repeat offenders though.
Eric
1. I am in favor of the death penalty; but as a practical matter we hardly have it anyplace much outside Texas.
Oregon has the death penalty, but with the liberal makeup of our State Supreme Court a death penalty is, well DOA
(In Oregon the great majority of the voters live in the heavily populated upper Willamette Valley, and since Supreme Court Judges are elected state wide, only candidates from that area have a chance, and while the positions are non-partisan, the support of the usual liberal coalitions--teachers, unions etc, is essential to success)
2. While a carried out death sentence certainly prevents that person from re-offending, there is reason to question whether it deters others------you have to fear that you will be caught before fear of the penalty is a deterrent.
A couple hundred years ago, in England, petty theft was a hanging offense. One of the big problems at public hangings was pickpockets working the distracted crowd. You would sure think that at a hanging of a pick pocket other pick pockets would be deterred, nope, they saw it as an opportunity to practice their trade.
So while I think lots of scum bags should be put to death, I don't think it would do much to the over all crime rate.
Vaughn
Oregon has the death penalty, but with the liberal makeup of our State Supreme Court a death penalty is, well DOA
(In Oregon the great majority of the voters live in the heavily populated upper Willamette Valley, and since Supreme Court Judges are elected state wide, only candidates from that area have a chance, and while the positions are non-partisan, the support of the usual liberal coalitions--teachers, unions etc, is essential to success)
2. While a carried out death sentence certainly prevents that person from re-offending, there is reason to question whether it deters others------you have to fear that you will be caught before fear of the penalty is a deterrent.
A couple hundred years ago, in England, petty theft was a hanging offense. One of the big problems at public hangings was pickpockets working the distracted crowd. You would sure think that at a hanging of a pick pocket other pick pockets would be deterred, nope, they saw it as an opportunity to practice their trade.
So while I think lots of scum bags should be put to death, I don't think it would do much to the over all crime rate.
Vaughn
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