Quad beta test box review

[Goodys1ton]

I tried it that way also. I tried having the Quad 65 hp box first, then TST then the trucks pig tail as well as having the TST, Quad then stock pigtail in those orders.

 

[ECappleman]

Anyone try the Xzillaraider XZT yet?

Opinions?



Thanks

(03' HO)

 

[MartinBlair]

I also have the SO CA 2003. What box are you so happy with, and will it stack with my edge EZ?? Is this box you speak of a fueling or engine timing box. . I think the TST is engine timing and fuel pulse timing. Which is why the EZ is a good stack with it. . I'm looking for a good engine timing module that I can stack with the fueling EZ. I know that the CA SO can use timing and probably alot of it. . Come Back, Thanks, Marty

 

[DLeno]

THe EZ and the Quad will not stack.



TST: fuel pulse "stretch" or "duration" and injection timing (not "engine" timing).



If you are committed to the EZ and want a timing module, consider waiting for the Juice. at the moment, the TST I think is the only duration/timing box out there. Check out the new BD box. I know nothing about it, but it looks interesting.

 

[Matt400]

Check out the new BD box. I know nothing about it, but it looks interesting.

"the new" which one is that? I looked for it and couldn't find anything.

 

[DLeno]

I assumed by now that the notice sent to BD email subcribers would have some factual support on their site. some of us got a notice of what appeared to be a Juice-like box with injector connections but making more power than the juice. I dunno.

 

[Matt400]

BD Power or Bully Dog??

 

[DLeno]

BD Power



http://www.dieseltruckresource.com/dev/showthread.php?s=&threadid=64509

 

[Matt400]

Thanks DLeno, they do have something listed on their site here



Interesting. . duration & timing only (no pressure) with an adjustable knob.

The X-Power achieves performance gains by altering the duration timing of the injection pulse

A little misleading on that statement, wonder if they mean duration only and meant to say

duration time

I would think any duration box should also do timing to start the event early rather than just finish it up late.

 

[MartinBlair]

Yes Matt, I would think actual advance in engine timing would also be necessary for complete performance. . D Leno has indicated that no box does this yet. . "Only injector timing and pulse duration??" My SO 03 has not ever come close to pre-ignition, (even with ez edge on level 4) so I can't help but think more advance would help. . Thank you D leno for your responce. . Come Back, Marty

 

[DLeno]

Yes Matt, I would think actual advance in engine timing would also be necessary for complete performance. . D Leno has indicated that no box does this yet. . "Only injector timing and pulse duration??" My SO 03 has not ever come close to pre-ignition, (even with ez edge on level 4) so I can't help but think more advance would help. . Thank you D leno for your responce. . Come Back, Marty

lets be precise in our language. injection timing is fully controlled electronically by the ECM. injection timing is the moment in time when the injector opens and begins fuel delivery.



injector duration is also electronically controlled. duration is the length of time the injector remains open, delivering fuel.



the concept of average timing is also important here. when injector duration is extended (stays open longer), average timing is retarded. This can be compensated for by advancing injector timing



especially be careful what you mean by engine timing. This will never be accomplished by a box as long as the linkage between cam and crank is purely mechanical. if you want to open the intake valve sooner with respect to crank position, then you have to exert control over the mechanism that controls that relationship.

 

[Matt400]

the concept of average timing is also important here. when injector duration is extended (stays open longer), average timing is retarded.

Which is not a good thing causing wasted energy down the exhaust along with high EGT's and is the reason I would not want a duration box that does not do timing.

 

[DLeno]

hallelujia amen

 

[SRadke]

hallelujia amen

I'll second that.



-Scott

 

[DLeno]

Thanks DLeno, they do have something listed on their site here



Interesting. . duration & timing only (no pressure) with an adjustable knob.







A little misleading on that statement, wonder if they mean duration only and meant to say

I would think any duration box should also do timing to start the event early rather than just finish it up late.

hmmm. beats me. if they only connect to MAP and injectors, then they're not really doing timing, except what can be coaxed from the ECM via boost fooling. I wouldn't call that timing; But I'm just speculating at this point -- I better do some research on this one...

 

[Matt400]

BD power confirmed via email it is pulse width only- no timing.



The X-Zillaraider does not connect to the cam or crank sensors yet the manual says there is an increase in timing.

Again this is misleading because they don't say they are "advancing". . only increasing timing so this could simply mean injector on time is increased.

I wish the box manufactures would say it like it is, its beginning to sound like a court room.



Duration, Pulse Width, Fuel Stretch, Injector On Time are all the same thing.



Timing is "when" the injection event starts.



Don't advertise you are increasing timing when what you are doing is increasing injector on time... its not the same thing, thats Duration, Pulse Width or Fuel Stretch.

 

[LightmanE300]

The xzillaraider does change the timing. Quad told me how but stressed the info was proprietary - and I am under his non disclosure agreement because I was a beta tester. It certainly was very clever though. Maybe he will shed more light on this or maybe not. If any of you have actually run the box, you can hear the timing advance.

 

[DLeno]

analog time fooling, via connections to cam and crank, is one method of timing advance. real timing advance apparently can also be accomplished digitally on the CAN bus. the magic of how this happens is both proprietary but we need to recognize that both Edge and Quadzilla appear to be doing this. Indeed, the timing advance on Quads box is audible.



I definately share your passion for clear and precise language. What we are seeing here is a clever method of accomplishing real timing advance via a new method. I don't know how much advance is actually available this way, but I'm satisfied that it qualifies as genuine timing advance.

 

[DLeno]

BD power confirmed via email it is pulse width only- no timing.

Bingo. they are not on the CAN bus; only MAP sensor and injector harness. I'm seeing someone out there trying a quadzilla BD stack ...

 

[Matt400]

you can hear the timing advance.

You must be referring to page 4 of the manual where they say a slight change in engine pitch can be noted due to the timing increase.



Increase of injector on time - or - advancing the timing? Using the term timing increase to me would mean to start the event more early yet they leave out the cam & crank sensor connections.