race suspension cont............

[JDerbedrossian]

Greg I swear the shocks are bottoming out. I know im not seeing things.



Jake

 

[ASchwartz]

I wonder what kind of damage was done during this race.

 

[RMuffles]

lorenz denied by deaver

confirmed today that deaver does not build or sell mini packs to lorenz ind

and at no point do they plan to start. maybe lorenz should pull the deaver logo from there website . buyer beware, you may not be getting what you payed for. no more from me on this discussion.

 

[Greg Boardman-RIP]

Jake,

I totally understand what you are asking. The KORE Race Series offers maximum travel and off road performance. To accomplish this Kore has designed the shock to maximize shaft travel. Again, I would like to point out that the KORE Fox shock still has 1/8th of an inch left that has not been wiped. The bump stop is designed to limit bump travel to precisely this amount. You have a second shock on the right that you say has " plenty to go". That is why you see 1. 5 inches of shaft showing in the photo on the right. It appears in this photo that "coil bind" is limiting bump travel. You can see the rust where the fatigue is setting in from the bind. I have tested the same coil many times and it ended up in a dumpster bent like a crescent moon. Without having both trucks here for a side by side. It is difficult to determine what is really going on. These answers I have given are by no way claims for or against what anyone is doing. Just what I have seen in testing here at DRC.



I really can't discuss anything in more detail than this online. If you have further questions Jake, feel free to call me at any time.

 

[Diesel Dan]

Hello Sean,

Can we get clarification on this? Are your spring packs made by deaver? If not, then who makes them?



Inquiring minds need to know



Respectfully



DD

 

[Lorenz]

confirmed today that deaver does not build or sell mini packs to lorenz ind

and at no point do they plan to start. maybe lorenz should pull the deaver logo from there website . buyer beware, you may not be getting what you payed for. no more from me on this discussion.

Great investigative work... If you would've emailed, called or contacted me outside of your post that got LOCKED ON TDR , I would've told you everything you found out. It's no secret, I've emailed the story multiple times or written about the situation on TDR before. I'll respond to "Gotcha" post but I'd rather stick to the "facts mamm, just the facts".



The story goes something like this. The pictures of the leafs on my website are indeed Deaver leafs. Deaver designed them for me and my personal truck. After asking Deaver to produce them for me, They told me they couldn't, but wanted me to take the design elswere. The reasons for this is all over TDR at this point. So, my leafs were made by Deaver, designed by Deaver, and manufactured elsewere. Thus, I removed all references and descriptions on my leaf page that referred to Deaver. I removed their logo from above their leaf pack on my site, and replaced it with my logo. The Deaver references, in my description of my leaves, were deleted after they asked me to have them made else where. I left their link on the front page because I still refer customers over there every chance I get. When asked, I'm very up front about all of it. It's all been posted on in one form or another right here on TDR.



Our companies left on great terms. I still recommend them to design custom leaf packs even if Kent or Greg now has to be involved in the Dodge deals.



This is a great example of how the industry has changed in the last year or two. Take a look at this Race site.



Which Deavers???



Everybody goes to Deaver to get custom leaves done except for you poor Dodge guys. Not only are these guys, over at DesertRangers.com, asking if they can get Deavers for their trucks, but their asking WHICH Deavers they should get... There's not only ONE type of Deaver configurations for a truck; there are multiple! Congratulations KORE for limiting our options as Dodge enthusiast.



Greg's response to this on TDR has been you can't get "Donahoe's Ford designed Deavers," so why should you be able to get KORE's design? If you look closely at Deavers site, you can see you can get multiple Ford designs, but for anything Dodge we're referred to a KORE link.



Could somebody chime in here with their own experience in dealing with Deaver and Dodges. My intent in referring everybody I can over to Deaver for a custom leaf pack is to loosen the reigns a bit. I want to see everybody who owns a Dodge, be able to get what they want from the guys who know springs best. It's only a matter of time before Dodge owners can get what we want, if, we all keep asking...

 

[onesloryd]

My experience with is something like this: About a year ago I was going to get a custom leaf pak to go with my custom 5” lift, I had several conversations with Scott told him what I wanted and what my rear sprung corner weights were. At that time Scott told me the pak’s would run between $950. 00 & $1200. 00 and all he needed to do was measure the truck. To me honest I just couldn’t swing the extra money. Now just about six months ago I called Deaver and talked with both Jeff and Scott and the short of is if it is going on a Dodge we can’t help but you can try “Brand A”.

 

[Lorenz]

Now off to tackle Greg's sales pitches.

The KORE Race Series offers maximum travel and off road performance.

Compared to what?

To accomplish this Kore has designed the shock to maximize shaft travel.

Or it's a "Custom" design Shock that shortens the compressed configuration of a FOX in the hopes of fitting it into the Dodge Application. Thus, shortening the travel of the shock in the process? The picture clearly shows the shock is still not short enough. Bob4x4 will you chime in with what you found when you extended your shocks all the way on your RACE System, what travel #'s did you find? I've waited a while for this fact to come in... I'll put you on the spot and ask for the #'s from your Race System. Kent doesn't seem to want to reveal this Information.

Again, I would like to point out that the KORE Fox shock still has 1/8th of an inch left that has not been wiped.

Sorry, Wrong again. There is not travel left. If you run you finger across the blue aluminum you can feel it was pitted from crushing sand. The small amount of sand that is stuck to the top of the rod end is not extra shaft. It is from the shock hitting metal to metal, crushing the wiper seal, and leaving a tad bit of oil residue for the sand to stick to. THESE SHOCKS GOT METAL TO METAL FRONT AND REAR. Stop spinning the facts

That is why you see 1. 5 inches of shaft showing in the photo on the right. It appears in this photo that "coil bind" is limiting bump travel. You can see the rust where the fatigue is setting in from the bind.

My Shock shaft show about . 5" on the driver side and 1/4" on the passenger side. There is not an ounce of coil bind, if YOU tested them you would know. But wait you did test them and continue to stretch facts. PS. Sway-A-Way Shocks are not made in China either.



The "rust" is not rust, but ATF fluid that dripped on the coils when I was filling my power steering fluid and the fan kicked in sending the oil all over the place. Sand is stuck to the ATF.



Here's a picture at full bump of my system. You can clearly see 1/2-1" of space between each coil at full bump. "Coil Bind" doesn't exist along with some of Greg's other stories. Remember, He tested these coils just like he tested the rest of the RACE system that "doesn't go metal to metal"...



Ok I just went to upload the pic and it's on my camera at home. Here's the video, you 'll have to pause it when the system goes to full bump.



LORENZ system at work

Without having both trucks here for a side by side. It is difficult to determine what is really going on.

They were side by side, YOU didn't make it out. There is nothing difficult here; except, for you and the KORE cheerleaders to swallow all of this.

I really can't discuss anything in more detail than this online. If you have further questions Jake, feel free to call me at any time.

It seems to be the Mantra as of late. Let's run to a place were we can no longer be challenged.



I've been relatively quiet for quite some time. No more. Kents actions towards my company have provoked me to throw it all out there.

 

[Lorenz]

I wonder what kind of damage was done during this race.

The pictures were taken on saturday, The drags were on Saturday night. The pictures were taken before that run. The shocks had been through Friday's run, and Saturday's run to Oldsmobile.

 

[Bob4x4]

I wonder what kind of damage was done during this race.

None! But a whole bunch of testosterone and adrenalin was flowing Oo.



Bob

 

[Lorenz]

None! But a whole bunch of testosterone and adrenalin was flowing Oo.



Bob

Yeh testosterone and adrenalin only, my pants were dry. :-laf

 

[ASchwartz]

None! But a whole bunch of testosterone and adrenalin was flowing Oo.



Bob

No roof damage?



Avi

 

[blake underwood]

GeeZ! These KORE/LORENZ threads are gonna end up like the ATS/DTT threads-Locked, Shut Down, & Done With.





Sean,



Serious, this :-{} isn't meant for public forums. Lets just keep the technical things and good info. coming.

 

[Lorenz]

Sean,



Serious, this :-{} isn't meant for public forums. Lets just keep the technical things and good info. coming.

I've looked back through your post and It seems you've done this multiple times. Three different threads, two of which were shut down, have you chiming in with something simular to your above post.



Do not insinuate something that is not true. Every post and response, (I'll concede the last sentence in my long post above), has been factual and to the point.



Let's allow this thread to mature before this one gets locked too.





Sean

 

[Doubleclutch]

When maturity happens, somebody email me.

Let's allow this thread to mature before this one gets locked too.

Greg

 

[blake underwood]

Sean,



Well thanks, that's better. I guess it just takes time.



Good Day

 

[RMuffles]

i just wanted to take this op to say hello to the desertbull, good reads , dont you think. is the 5 car rockin.

 

[JOblenes]

My opinion on marketing tactics

Everybody goes to Deaver to get custom leaves done except for you poor Dodge guys. Not only are these guys, over at DesertRangers.com, asking if they can get Deavers for their trucks, but their asking WHICH Deavers they should get... There's not only ONE type of Deaver configurations for a truck; there are multiple! Congratulations KORE for limiting our options as Dodge enthusiast.



Greg's response to this on TDR has been you can't get "Donahoe's Ford designed Deavers," so why should you be able to get KORE's design? If you look closely at Deavers site, you can see you can get multiple Ford designs, but for anything Dodge we're referred to a KORE link.

Caution!! Entering Rant mode, I did use the red frowny face for the message icon! If you are a die hard Kore fan please do not read this message.



This truly is unfortunate. As you will note in my sig I have a "custom" Lorenz suspension. I decided that for my use I did not want to level the truck. I routinely run around at max GVWR (OK maybe a little more) and thus Sean worked some numbers for me and I am going to lift the back as well as the front. I am using a slightly longer shock in the rear, (the 12" Sway-a-way) and ideally I would like a completely new leaf pack for the rear to give me the lift. Now if I want a Deaver pack, custom made to my specs (to give my desired lift and spring rate), I have to have Kore in there leaching off of the Deaver brand name (middle man who adds zero value but is glad to take your money), even though it is not their design, yeah that really makes me happy. I hate these brand name marketing tactics, grrrr. Just so there is no confusion I do not, not even for one moment begrudge Kore their fair dues for the effort they put into their unique product, from everything I have read they work hard to bring a product to market, but I really think this level of exclusivity crosses some kind of line, oh well, that is absolutely Deaver's choice, I guess they won't get my money. Sean is a bigger man then I am for still pointing people in their direction.



-Dodge markets Cummins, but I can still buy a Cummins in a crate, not a "Dodge" version, but I can still buy a Cummins and put it in my Dodge, Ford, etc.

-Superlift markets Bilstein, but I can still buy Bilstein shocks, not a "Superlift" version, but I can still buy Bilsteins and put them on my Dodge, Ford, etc.

-Mopar markets Fleetguard, but I can still buy Fleetguards, not a "Mopar" version, but I can still buy a "Fleetguard" and put it in My Dodge, Ford, etc.



You had better hope that Kore doesn't start to market your favourite (insert name brand here) component next.



You get the point.



End of Rant

 

[Regcabguy]

Deaver Springs

Great investigative work... If you would've emailed, called or contacted me outside of your post that got LOCKED ON TDR , I would've told you everything you found out. It's no secret, I've emailed the story multiple times or written about the situation on TDR before. I'll respond to "Gotcha" post but I'd rather stick to the "facts mamm, just the facts".



The story goes something like this. The pictures of the leafs on my website are indeed Deaver leafs. Deaver designed them for me and my personal truck. After asking Deaver to produce them for me, They told me they couldn't, but wanted me to take the design elswere. The reasons for this is all over TDR at this point. So, my leafs were made by Deaver, designed by Deaver, and manufactured elsewere. Thus, I removed all references and descriptions on my leaf page that referred to Deaver. I removed their logo from above their leaf pack on my site, and replaced it with my logo. The Deaver references, in my description of my leaves, were deleted after they asked me to have them made else where. I left their link on the front page because I still refer customers over there every chance I get. When asked, I'm very up front about all of it. It's all been posted on in one form or another right here on TDR.



Our companies left on great terms. I still recommend them to design custom leaf packs even if Kent or Greg now has to be involved in the Dodge deals.



This is a great example of how the industry has changed in the last year or two. Take a look at this Race site.



Which Deavers???



Everybody goes to Deaver to get custom leaves done except for you poor Dodge guys. Not only are these guys, over at DesertRangers.com, asking if they can get Deavers for their trucks, but their asking WHICH Deavers they should get... There's not only ONE type of Deaver configurations for a truck; there are multiple! Congratulations KORE for limiting our options as Dodge enthusiast.



Greg's response to this on TDR has been you can't get "Donahoe's Ford designed Deavers," so why should you be able to get KORE's design? If you look closely at Deavers site, you can see you can get multiple Ford designs, but for anything Dodge we're referred to a KORE link.



Could somebody chime in here with their own experience in dealing with Deaver and Dodges. My intent in referring everybody I can over to Deaver for a custom leaf pack is to loosen the reigns a bit. I want to see everybody who owns a Dodge, be able to get what they want from the guys who know springs best. It's only a matter of time before Dodge owners can get what we want, if, we all keep asking...

Approximately 1 1/2 years ago I contacted Deaver Springs concerning my rear spring sag w/KORE mini-paks coupled with my 1800lb popup camper. They replied that the mini-paks were intended for an unladen or moderately loaded truck typically driven off road at high speeds. Obviously my rig is not that vehicle. Deaver suggested coming up and they would remove the mini-paks and re-install the bottom overload and a custom add-a-leaf. This modification proved to be a suitable improvement. I inquired as to the fabrication of a custom leaf pack for my situation. Elimination of blocks and spring wrap would be the goal. Reply: no problem but it would be a bit costly and they would need the vehicle for a few days. Great guys and a great shop! My question is: what influenced them to turn down fabrication requests from up and coming companies i. e. Lorenz Industries and even the individual owner? Granted they have the right to deny service to anyone but in my opinion something or someone is influencing them. What do the established companies have to fear from Lorenz or even the off the street customer? In all honesty I have benefited from my KORE Chase system,Deaver's expertise,and Sean Lorenz' revalving to my rear shocks so I feel I'm fairly impartial and grateful to all.

 

[Megadesertdiesel]

question when watching the bob 4x4 video at the drags, is this hoping normal for the kore system? it didnt impress me, i am shopping for a new suspension and makes me want to try a superlift and forget any offroad capability. or am i trying to make an 8000# truck do the impossible without serious money?