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The one thing I don't understand is that they are willing to REPLACE the engine if it fails the test. ??? :confused: Usually there isn't enough room to install a freeze plug properly while the engine is in the chassis so odds are they'll yank it. But WHY replace the entire engine instead of just replacing the freeze plugs???? What damage will a 'leaky plug' do other then leak some coolant??



Sorry. . but doesn't make sense.



If anybody can elaborate on their justification to why the motor needs to be replaced... . I'm all ears!



Still question the authenticity of this recall.
 
NJ, it has we wondering too, but it appears to be legit.



FWIW, I had this problem last summer in my PSD. I had lost some coolant. , but couldn't see any leaks anywhere. Took it to the dealer, they did a pressure test, and traced it to a bad freeze plug in the block, which they replaced. They did have to drop the transmission to get to it, though. Interesting that they had a freeze plug in stock.



Getting back to the Dodge, it seems odd to me also, that they would have to replace the engine. Replace the plugs, and go on.



Incidentially, my engine is purring along perfectly. I'm inclined to let sleeping dogs lies, and, if something happens down the road, let them fix or replace under warranty. We'll see if I even get a phone call. :rolleyes:
 
I'm a little calmer now. I think I'm a little heated for the fact I just picked up my truck and now there is a thread on this? This really got my blood pumping. No bad intentions against anyone here. . just posting my feelings, at Dodge I guess…



I don't doubt that a series of poorly installed freeze plugs is feasible. It can happen. I just don't understand why a run at WOT for 3 minutes and a complete engine replacement is necessary. I believe some details may have been lost in translation by the time this info got to this board.



I'm hoping this potential recall is really just an isolated case of a leaky plug. We'll see….
 
I'm hoping the same thing. My blood was boiling also, since I just got rid of a very problematic truck. Them, you go and drop 40 large, and a potential for a problem which requires MAJOR surgery, or a buyback or replacement.



WHy, WHY WHY can't American manufacturers get the bugs out of production? Sorry, this has me VERY po'd. :mad: :( :-{}
 
I have to agree with NJ here. This whole thing doesn't make any sense. To me its wait and see what happens, but right now mine is AOK with no problems evident. I love the post about auctioning the truck for bad freeze plugs. That was a good one.
 
Originally posted by LHarper

I do not like the idea of wide-open throttle for three minutes.



Most engine manufacturers dyno the engine right off the assy line. I wouldn't be too concerned about it.
 
Originally posted by tgbol

One of the guys at work told me today that the dealer called him this morning about his truck. The told him if it does pass the test they were going to put a new engine in it.



Do you mean "fail" ?
 
Whether it makes sense or not, DC stated in the e-mail to dealers that engines need to be replaced if more then one freeze plugs fails the three minute test. Truck replacement, auction were then mentioned. Does not make sense to me either but that is what was stated in the memo. Ask your dealer to see a copy of the memo. From what I understand, it is a small percent of 600's that could have the problem but DC does not know which ones might have a freeze plug problem which is why they are doing the testing.
 
Buy the truck back?? Engine replacement due to a overbored core plug recess?. Not believing this one at all. Sounds like a Cummins problem, if what I am reading is correct. I would think as big as they are, they could come up with many different possible solutions ie: bigger core plug, increasing the bore to accept a bigger plug, a plug that expands to a higher degree when installed, something.
 
Dealer just called my truck is OK. This is the information I got : 1 bad plug, they replace and test again, 2 bad plugs they replace the engine, and supply a loaner (car?). If the truck was UNsold it goes back to Chrysler for a new engine. Because of the cost of the repair it can not be sold as new, and will be auctioned off.



Jim
 
WOT in any load or no load condition will considerably heat the engine.

But, these engines are designed and tested in full load and max rpm conditions.



Yes, I got the call from the dealer.

Truck is there overnight. Am I worried? No.

Cummins and Chrysler have done the right thing with this rapid response.

It is a very responsible, and proactive approach, which I do appreciate!



--Justin
 
Some more information. The problem is not really the freeze plugs, they are the "Core Hole Plugs". These plugs are for the holes in the block that allow the casting sand out.
 
Originally posted by swexlin

JTadra, what is the build date of your engine?



I don't remember where that information is located, refresh my brain and I will look it up. Truck built week of 1-05-04

Jim
 
FWIW, I called my dealer today and they confirmed that the issue applies to my vehicle. The Radid Response is No. 04012. They also said that the truck cannot have been drived for 8 hours before the test, so it sounds like the engine must be cold to run it. I'm kind of wondering what would show up running my truck at full throttle for 3 minutes with no load that didn't show up pulling my 10K 5er up at hill at full load.
 
:confused: I just don't understand why a simple pressure test of the cooling system would not show the fault. Pump it up to the max and let it sit for three hours not "Three minutes". Does this mean if I run my engine at full throttle for FOUR minutes and it leaks it's my problem??? I don't think so! Something does not sound right here!
 
Just to put a bit of humor on this, a diesel has NO throttle so how can they run it at WOT?



A throttle is a plate the chokes off the air in-take (I'll throttle you means I will choke you and cut off your air).



I know this is just a play on words but we are above the masses (gassers) and should know better. ;)





I really don't think it is a leak under pressure they are worried about but the rate of expansion to the block that is what the test is for.



If you take a cold block and heat it faster then the parts put into it you may see a failure this way, just a thought.
 
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