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Regal Dodge, Inc. of CA can't do lift pumps!

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Yep, I admit it. I was trying to be cheap and have my lift pump replaced under warrantee. I only have 31,000 miles on a 2001 Dodge and I am seeing pressure readings down to 1-psi. I have kept the engine completely stock (but why?) so that I would have such a warrantee. Sure glad I didn’t pay for an extended one. Here’s my experience:



First, I arrived at Regal Dodge at precisely 7:00am even though they don't open until 7:30. This gives me the pole position in the line-up of cars to be worked on for the day. If you have been following my posts, Regal Dodge had informed me that I needed to first schedule an appointment so that they could confirm my low fuel pressure complaint before they would even order the replacement pump. O. k, fair enough. So, I figure that I can wait a few minutes while they plug in a pressure gauge to my test port. After two hours in the waiting room, the service manager says that the super technician has to talk with me. So I go out to see him and this {censored} has Led Zeppelin blaring in one ear and the noise is flowing directly out of the other ear (nothing in between!). He said that my vacuum gauge is bad. I said, "what on earth are you talking about, I'm here for a lift pump evaluation". He said that I should be concerned with the vacuum. I said that 25 in. of Hg is perfect and what was he talking about. He said that every time he races the engine, the needle doesn't fall. I informed him that this wasn't a carburated engine and showed him where he could stick his own vacuum gauge. His gauge must have been broken also because it got the same reading as mine!



Next, he tried to tell me that my fuel pressure gauge was bad. He said that my pressure gauge only goes up to 15-psi and it needs to go up to at least 250-psi. Once again, I had to inform him that this was a diesel engine that he was looking at! I nicely tried to explain to him the fuel delivery system. He said that they can't rely on the accuracy of my gauge. I told him to use his own, just like the shop manual suggests, and I even showed him the pressure port to hook it up to. He scratched his head and unscrewed the cap off of the Schrader valve. He disappeared for 10 minutes and told me that he didn't have a pressure gauge. What was this {censored} person doing for 2 hours!!!!???? So next he comes back with a data-link and plugs it under my dash. I told him that there was no way in <censored> heck that thing was going to tell him the fuel pressure of the injection pump. He pulled up a menu that says that there was "perfect voltage" going to the pump so it must be good! I just wanted to say that he had perfect blood going to his brain and it wasn't working either! I told him to put the dust cap back on the truck and that I was leaving. Somehow, he managed to loose the dust cap within the brief amount of time that it was off. We looked everywhere but it still couldn’t be found. He disappeared and the service manager returned. Within 20 seconds, the service manager claimed to have found it down inside the engine. I think that they actually pulled it off the diesel that just arrive 10 minutes earlier but at least I got a dust cap back. So, I jumped in the truck, didn't bother to check out at the counter, and I'm never going back!!



When I got back to work I called Cummins, San Leandro. They have the newest revision of the lift pump in stock for $145. With my Midranger’s Club membership I’ll get another 10% off. Then I can install it and sleep at night knowing that it was done right. Whew! Thanks for letting me vent! Ya know, if these DC mechanics would pick up a shop manual from time to time, there might not be all of these complaints!



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Well, David, that's about like what I went through the first time I tried to get my lift pump looked at. The service manager at Hatfield Dodge in Winchester, KY, kept insisting that if my truck was running that smooth, nothing was wrong with the pump. I tried to explain the difference between the lift pump, and the injection pump. He just kept shaking his head. I even explained to him that the pump system was not the same as a 12valve, that he was obviously thinking of the P7100 pump.

They wanted me to "leave it there, and we'll get to it. " I stood there, thinking, and thinking, then finally said, "no, thanks", got in the truck, and drove 90 miles to Cummins in Louisville, and installed it myself, in their parking lot.

If you want it done right, you'll have to do it yourself. I wish I had a clone :D I could do all the racin' while he did all the wrenchin' . :D
 
David,



Just imagine what could have happened if they actually tried to change your lift pump, good thing you and your truck escaped in time.



Dave
 
Guess I am lucky. Aurora Dodge in Aurora Missouri. Most of their business is Cummins Diesels. Small town of 4,000 people with Springfield Mo. being the closest big city and it is only 100,000 people. Aurora is Dodges 18th largest CTD dealership. These guys know the CTD and you can watch them work on the truck. Just good old country folk, that deal mostly with farmers that work the trucks hard. I have owned Lexus and Mercedes etc. and have never found a better dealership. Sure makes the ownership experence nice. I bought the extended warranty just because of this dealer. What is funny about this is their service prices are 20 - 50% less then the Dodge dealerships in Springfield. I would not let one of the Springfield dealerships touch my truck!!! Bottom line you have to find the right dealership. Also Aurora takes appointments. I make an appointment for 1:00, when I show up they take care of my truck no waiting. That get there early crap and wait in line is bull****.
 
Most Dodge dealers pretty much s*ck when it comes to service. When my lift pump went out recently, I replaced it myself because I did not want to deal with incompetent fools who would keep my truck for 3-5 days to figure it out...



Charles
 
dresslered,



How did you get by the salesman stampede in that place? I've been in there a couple of times for parts for a car. Almost had to fight my way past the pack of salesmen. Gave up going there since they always ordered the wrong part. Can't imagine haveing them touch my truck. Stay away from the place in Gilroy too. I almost got in a fight with the service guy there. Talked to him like he had a tail.
 
DITTO, DITTO!!!!! I'm still rollin' :-laf :-laf :-laf :-laf #@$%!



And just think, these idiot had to go to school to get this smart!!!:D
 
Dresslered-Was That A 5 Star Dealer?

You couldn't drag me back to that place. What town is this Dealer in so I can warn my Buddy up there?:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
Don,



I'll let David tell you where they are. Here's a quote from their website:



"Our goal is to provide each and every customer with a top-notch quality service experience! We do this by providing each customer with a scheduled consultation time to drop their vehicle off with ease and flexibility! Our service advisors are here to listen to your needs and address them, rather than assessing and verifying the repair information recived from you. All of our service technicians are factory trained and we carry all of the latest tools and diagnostic equipment to do the job right, the first time. We belive in courtesy at Regal, and we keep you informed about your repair along with providing you a complete explanation of all repairs, charges, and warranty coverage. These are all steps that enable us to fix each vehicle service at Regal Dodge right,the first time!"
 
My experiences at the dealer are just as bad, the last time I took my truck in to get it worked on a year and a half ago, I got it back with a dent in the passenger door and the emergency cable release handle broken. They denied everything and I have never been back. What I would like to know is if you could get DC to sell you a truck with no warranty for a further reduced price? I would seriously look into it.



Morph.
 
So, I am glad that I am not the only person who insists on good service. Yes, I too have had problems with the 5* dealer in Gilroy. On my '96, their aveage for warrenty work was 3. 4 trips. The truck went back there after the 18 trip to the shop. They have not been much better on the new truck even after several talks with the service manager. It took them 8 trips to get the input shaft to stop leaking on the transmission. They had to pull it twice.



I can also tell you of a horror story with Stevens Creek Dodge. They had to replace a rear shock which blew. They did not use the correct setup on the lift the dented in the body work in the rear and then tried to deny it. The service manager finaly gave in and gave me a written note that I could get it fixed in their body shop. I said no thanks. He said it was his body shop or sue him. I left and found the GM who was a bit more reasonable.



I have hear both good and bad feed back about Capitol Dodge.



I have had good experiences with Cummins West in San Leandro and would recommend for engine work. I wish they would do the rest.



I did my own service for the 60K. I did it over 3 weekends (but I was not working hard). And I know that everything got done.



Anyone in the greater Bay Area had consistant good experiences with a Dodge dealer for their truck? Or even better yet, is there a good independant out there? I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO KNOW.



Sorry for the long one and thanks for the vent!
 
David, sorry to hear of your misfortune with the dealer, glad to see that you are taking matters into your own hands. At least you know that the job will be done right now.



Hmmm, before you know it a Edge EZ maybe on that beast and you'll be taking the plastic off the seats ;) .



Scott W.
 
Wow! I didn’t really expect any replies at all. I was away for the weekend so I am just getting back to the good old TDR. Yes, I think that it was partially my fault as I thought that a dealer that was allowed to sell a certain vehicle should be required to service such a vehicle. Shouldn’t this be a Federal Law? Though I didn’t purchase my vehicle at Regal (since they sell vehicles at up to $5,000 over invoice) they are the most convenient for me. It really has been my experience that if you want it done correctly, that you should do it yourself. However, since my son was born last month, I figured that I would rather add the $145 toward his 529 College Education Fund and have the warrantee cover what it is required to do. Besides, how hard would it be to conduct a 5-minute pressure test? My mistake!



Briar Hopper-

At least your guy knew that you had a diesel.



Dave D. -

Yes, you are definitely correct. I got off easy! Besides, I don’t think that he had located the lift pump yet (at least he was looking back at the tank!)



Joe G. -

Simple. Get there at 7:00am. They drink coffee and eat donuts for the first few hours. Do to the convenience, I have often looked at vehicles on their lot. If I told you the things that some of their salesmen have told me, you wouldn’t believe me!



Turboman-

Ditto!



DRR-24V-

No stars involved!

Regal Dodge, Inc.

1095 West El Camino

Sunnyvale, CA 94087

408-738-0400



Thomas-

LOL!



Dan_gilson-

No experience with Steven Creek Dodge other than them quoting me $1,800. 00 for an exhaust brake (labor was extra)! Also agree with you that Cummins West in San Leandro is a top-notch outfit.



Bigsaint-

EZ is a strong possibility now, but you’re pushing it if you think I’m about to take the plastic off of the seats!!!



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you bay area people ... ... ... ... ... ... ...





its all how you get things done... ... ... man you shoulda brought them donuts... ... .....



seriously you get more with sugar than anything else



good luck hope they work out for ya us hillbilly's in the valley are pretty set with awesome dealers
 
Brandon-

Maybe you could move your shop a little closer and really shake up the Silicon Valley? :cool:



Actually, I am always EXTREMELY calm during episodes such as this (even though wild disbeliefs fly through my mind). I even gave this shop a very high evaluation when DC wanted to know how they performed when replacing my center console under warrantee (even though it took them two separate attempts at replacing it--the first attempt damaged the brand new console so that it would no longer open).
 
He pulled up a menu that says that there was "perfect voltage" going to the pump so it must be good! I just wanted to say that he had perfect blood going to his brain and it wasn't working either. :-{} [/B]



ooooh my sides, they're killin me, and my eyes, i cant see through the tears. it must be my body's defense mechanism kicking in, to make me stop reading.
 
i sorry David that you had to go thru all that

makes You wonder however , how these morons get to be called :MASTER TECHS" ?

could not help laughing " blood going to brain... ... ... ... ... . " what brain

:D

install the pump yourself and drive your truck those idiots probably would have messed something up while trying to figure where the VACCUM hook up is

thats funny if i am not wrong our trucks dont have vaccum at all . please correct me if i am wrong
 
Actually B. Gill, our trucks have an actual vacuum pump. It provides the necessary vacuum (25-in Hg) to the HEVAC system and the speed control system. In my case, it also provides for the exhaust brake, and 2LO switch. It just doesn't have anything to do with the lift pump. :confused:
 
Brandon,



Please give us the name of your "good" shop. I have thought a couple of time to start looking out in the valley for a good shop and expected that since there are a few more farmer/ranchers out there that use this type of truck that there should be some better places to get it serviced.



If I could find a Dodge dealer that take a service appointment time seriously and get the work done right the first time I would drive there.



Gilroy either does not have the parts or just want to diagnosis it first trip. And they make me come back so that the truck is not sitting there on their clock. Maybe they are hoping that I will just go somewhere else so that they will not have to deal with it.



I think at this point they would prefer me not to be in their waiting room though. The last time I was there I got to talking with someone who was waiting for the fleet Mgr. He ask how I liked my truck and what issues I was having and I told him straight up. The next thing the Fleet Mgr and Service Mgr were out talking to me. What goes around comes around.



What I expect is that when I have a 8am appointment is that the paperwork on the truck is done by 8:05 and the truck is being worked on shortly thereafter. Gilroy sometime take 2-3 hours before putting it up on the rack. When I am waiting for it that is just not acceptable! I also expect that when I make the appoint for such and such is leaking that they have the right parts on hand. Expecially when I normally make an appointment 1-2 weeks ahead of time. Sorry, I guess that button is still very hot.
 
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