Schaeffer oil observations !!

[coobie]

I changed over to Schaeffer oil 9000 supreme 5w-40 synthetic and synthetic 75w-90 gear oil in my 2004 from chevron delo 400 oil. I just pulled the dip stick after 500 miles of driving,the dipstick looks like I just put the oil in vereses when the delo 400 looked totally black after the same mileage. As far as the gear oil in the diffs everything seems fine also,coobie.

 

[fire8033]

Coobie, where are you buying the Schaeffer 9000 supreme????

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

I changed over to Schaeffer oil 9000 supreme 5w-40 synthetic and synthetic 75w-90 gear oil in my 2004 from chevron delo 400 oil. I just pulled the dip stick after 500 miles of driving,the dipstick looks like I just put the oil in vereses when the delo 400 looked totally black after the same mileage. As far as the gear oil in the diffs everything seems fine also,coobie.

Just keep in mind that ONE of the functions of a good engine lube, is to keep various wear and soot elements in suspension, so they get flushed out at oil change time.



Changing oil brands isn't really likely to stop or reverse the inevitable accumulation of contaminants in the oil, and if it isn't staying suspended in the oil, where IS it going, or accumulating?

 

[coobie]

Coobie, where are you buying the Schaeffer 9000 supreme????

From this guy,Gene Shubert located in Ney Ohio. Ph#419-658-2258. Super guy to deal with, coobie

 

[coobie]

Just keep in mind that ONE of the functions of a good engine lube, is to keep various wear and soot elements in suspension, so they get flushed out at oil change time.



Changing oil brands isn't really likely to stop or reverse the inevitable accumulation of contaminants in the oil, and if it isn't staying suspended in the oil, where IS it going, or accumulating?

Good point Gary!!I will keep track of this. I have been reading alot of good things about the Schaeffer oil products on this website www.bobistheoilguy.com

 

[bgilbert]

The only bad thing about Schaeffer Oil products is you can't order any direct or in a store. It's only from a distributor/dealer and has to be in bulk, and sometimes a minimum order of $$$ has to be made. I love their Moly grease #238. www.schaefferoil.com.

 

[Buffalo]

Coobie,



Thanks for posting about the Schaeffer's 9000. Been thinking about switching to it from the Delo 400, also.



I have nothing against the Delo as it's been working great in my '91 & '03. I've been changing it at 8000 mile intervals on the '03. Have done used oil analysis on the last two changes & the oil is still in good shape. Delo's a fine conventional oil with a dose of Moly like the Schaeffer's has.



Have you considered adding a bypass oil filtration system on your truck? If so, Oilguard.com has them on sale through July 15 at 10% off. That way, you could really take advantage of the synthetic oil by using extended oil change intervals.



The best deal I found on Schaeffer's 9000, here in Phoenix, is around $18. 41/gal. Unless you buy over $300. 00 worth, it's a bit pricey. I'm torn between staying with the Delo for less than half the price & just changing the oil more often. If I did a lot of driving, I'd buy the Schaeffer's in a heartbeat, along with the bypass system. It would really pay then.



The thing I'm most concerned with is leaving the same oil in the engine for an extraordinarily long time since I don't drive that much. Worried about the acid build-up in the oil. However, I've heard that if you can keep the oil extremely clean, as with a bypass filter, maybe the acid build-up won't be a problem. I just don't know. This is probably a question to ask the "Guru's" on bob is the oil guy.com.



Joe F. (Buffalo)

 

[Vaughn MacKenzie]

I have thought about Schaffer's, because that is what the Coopers run in their Allison V12-powered hydroplane that runs on the unlimited hydro circuit (all other hydros are turbine powered). During competition the twin-turbo non-intercooled V12 generates around 3000 HP, at 40-50 psi boost and 1700F preturbo EGTs for several minutes at a time I think they have tried various oils (not sure which) but they like the Schaffer's the best.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

I have thought about Schaffer's, because that is what the Coopers run in their Allison V12-powered hydroplane that runs on the unlimited hydro circuit (all other hydros are turbine powered). During competition the twin-turbo non-intercooled V12 generates around 3000 HP, at 40-50 psi boost and 1700F preturbo EGTs for several minutes at a time I think they have tried various oils (not sure which) but they like the Schaffer's the best.

Vaughn, with all due respect - and I *certainly* have nothing against the oil being discussed here - using what one RACING vehicle uses in their unique operation and environment vs what is used in an over-the-road and around town engine, is a serious apples/oranges comparison!



Race engines get torn down regularly, and lube changed frequently - some purely RACING oils use additive formulations quite unlike - and unsuited - to daily drivers, since their short term usage is focused more closely upon actual *short-term* lubrication properties than on multi-grade or other additive features as common to daily drivers.



It used to be true - perhaps still is - that what the serious professional racers use in their engines is quite UNlike what we normally buy at Walmart!

 

[coobie]

Coobie,



Thanks for posting about the Schaeffer's 9000. Been thinking about switching to it from the Delo 400, also.



I have nothing against the Delo as it's been working great in my '91 & '03. I've been changing it at 8000 mile intervals on the '03. Have done used oil analysis on the last two changes & the oil is still in good shape. Delo's a fine conventional oil with a dose of Moly like the Schaeffer's has.



Have you considered adding a bypass oil filtration system on your truck? If so, Oilguard.com has them on sale through July 15 at 10% off. That way, you could really take advantage of the synthetic oil by using extended oil change intervals.



The best deal I found on Schaeffer's 9000, here in Phoenix, is around $18. 41/gal. Unless you buy over $300. 00 worth, it's a bit pricey. I'm torn between staying with the Delo for less than half the price & just changing the oil more often. If I did a lot of driving, I'd buy the Schaeffer's in a heartbeat, along with the bypass system. It would really pay then.



The thing I'm most concerned with is leaving the same oil in the engine for an extraordinarily long time since I don't drive that much. Worried about the acid build-up in the oil. However, I've heard that if you can keep the oil extremely clean, as with a bypass filter, maybe the acid build-up won't be a problem. I just don't know. This is probably a question to ask the "Guru's" on bob is the oil guy.com.



Joe F. (Buffalo)

Joe,I agree on the delo 400,I ran it the first 37,000 miles on my truck problem free, I wanted to go with a synthetic blend oil and schaeffers supreme 9000 seemed to fit my needs from what I had researched. I have also considered a bypass filter system,but just can,t bring myself to that mind set yet. I will run the schaeffers around 7,500 miles. I changed the delo 400 every 5,000 miles. I guess its overkill but oil changes are cheap insurance IMHO. Take care,coobie

 

[coobie]

The only bad thing about Schaeffer Oil products is you can't order any direct or in a store. It's only from a distributor/dealer and has to be in bulk, and sometimes a minimum order of $$$ has to be made. I love their Moly grease #238. www.schaefferoil.com.

I agee on the bulk part. I placed a $300 order and saved about 28% off the total bill plus free shipping. I also ordered there moly grease,excellent grease from what I have been told by local farmers and local construction guys who have backhoes and such. coobie

 

[BothellDiesel]

The Schaeffers X-200 Moly Bond is a synthetic blend and cheaper than the 9000 Supreme. I Love Schaeffers products but yes you do need to order in bulk to get the free shipping, I go in with a buddy and order x-200 and Neutra plus 192 diesel additive in the big 5 gallon steel buckets. Their gear oil is great aswell. I've been posting on DTR for years and have been using schaeffers for a long time but it just getting noticed FINALLY!. Kinda weird being that Schaeffers is the countries second oldest company behind John Deer. There are much better products out their you just need to get away from the mainstream.

 

[Buffalo]

Hi Coobie,



You may want to reconsider the 7500 mile oil change intervals with the Schaeffer's 9000. The reason I suggest that is that I've been changing my Delo-400 at 8000 mile intervals for the last two oil changes. Both times, I had an oil analysis done & the report came back that the oil was in good shape with a lot of life left in it.



I live in the desert where it's very hot & dusty. Probably a lot tougher environment than what your oil sees in cooler, cleaner Michigan.



You may consider doing a used oil analysis at 7500 miles & see what it says before just dumping what may be perfectly good, expensive, very high quality oil, out.



If I can get 8000 miles out of a lesser quality oil then, you should be able to get many more miles out of a superior oil. To be on the safe side, though, oil analysis would be a very good idea. My guess is that you could get a lot more life, & value, out of the "premium" oil that you bought.



This is just a thought but, if you feel more comfortable changing it at 7500 mile intervals, I understand.



Gary K7GLD wrote a terriffic post on his Franz oil bypass filtration system. It's HUGE!!! Well over 500 replys. Took me over 3 housr to read it all but, was well worth it. His post will give you an idea of just how long you can extend oil drain intervals. Especially, with very clean oil from bypass filtration. I believe he got 20,000 miles from Chevron Delo-400, 15X40 but, decided to go back to 12,000 mile intervals. That's with a conventional (dino) oil.



Joe F. (Buffalo)

 

[coobie]

Hi Coobie,



You may want to reconsider the 7500 mile oil change intervals with the Schaeffer's 9000. The reason I suggest that is that I've been changing my Delo-400 at 8000 mile intervals for the last two oil changes. Both times, I had an oil analysis done & the report came back that the oil was in good shape with a lot of life left in it.



I live in the desert where it's very hot & dusty. Probably a lot tougher environment than what your oil sees in cooler, cleaner Michigan.



You may consider doing a used oil analysis at 7500 miles & see what it says before just dumping what may be perfectly good, expensive, very high quality oil, out.



If I can get 8000 miles out of a lesser quality oil then, you should be able to get many more miles out of a superior oil. To be on the safe side, though, oil analysis would be a very good idea. My guess is that you could get a lot more life, & value, out of the "premium" oil that you bought.



This is just a thought but, if you feel more comfortable changing it at 7500 mile intervals, I understand.



Gary K7GLD wrote a terriffic post on his Franz oil bypass filtration system. It's HUGE!!! Well over 500 replys. Took me over 3 housr to read it all but, was well worth it. His post will give you an idea of just how long you can extend oil drain intervals. Especially, with very clean oil from bypass filtration. I believe he got 20,000 miles from Chevron Delo-400, 15X40 but, decided to go back to 12,000 mile intervals. That's with a conventional (dino) oil.



Joe F. (Buffalo)

Thanks Joe,I will see if I can find Gary K7GLD post that you have reffered too. coobie

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

Thanks Joe,I will see if I can find Gary K7GLD post that you have reffered too. coobie

Here:



http://turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98863



and here:



http://turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?t=109166

 

[coobie]

Here:



http://turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98863



and here:



http://turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?t=109166

Thanks Gary!!coobie

 

[birddog]

in some areas schaeffers is commonly sold at ag coops. I have no problem getting it and can get the 9000 for 17$ a gallon. Maybe you can check a place like that out.