Setllantis crashing what does that mean for new trucks going forward

[reveldark]

jeep and ram are too profitable to disappear completely.

 

[Grumpy8811]

I'm actually hankering for the current design RAM HD, but with just the new transmission. Leave the rest of it alone.
Keeping up with the Jones' doesn't necessarily mean profits.

I've often wondered if one of these manufacturers didn't go the Model T route and just stick with one chassis for 20+ years
and compete by lowering the price with more standard features wouldn't be a better way to go than changing and redesigning a bunch of meaningless stuff
and trying to squeeze every nickel out of the piggy bank.

 

[Ozymandias]

Stellantis isn't crashing, it is struggling like all European car manufacturers do right now. The politics pushed them to go all electric as fast as possible, so they dumped billions of dollars into it.
And now people won't buy the cars they make and instead buy more and more of the superior Chinese electric cars that cost less and are way more sophisticated.

 

[Grumpy8811]

Stellantis isn't crashing, it is struggling like all European car manufacturers do right now. The politics pushed them to go all electric as fast as possible, so they dumped billions of dollars into it.
And now people won't buy the cars they make and instead buy more and more of the superior Chinese electric cars that cost less and are way more sophisticated.

meanwhile GM's electric vehicle sales are up 60%.

 

[Ozymandias]

meanwhile GM's electric vehicle sales are up 60%.

Yeah, from 20 to 30 in a month... ours do the same math to impress the public with stuff that isn't happening in real life.

 

[Diesel85]

meanwhile GM's electric vehicle sales are up 60%.

You made me laugh...

I'll rephrase it...

meanwhile GM's diesel vehicle sales are up 60%.

Judging by the plethora of mini-D's I've been seeing around town and how many I've run into at the diesel pumps is astonishing. Folks really like diesel. Almost every owner has a new (good!) perspective on diesel.

You make a good diesel engine, and people will have a totally different view on it.

VW/Gen 2 EcoD/mini-Powerstroke really tarnished the diesel image.

Yeah, from 20 to 30 in a month... ours do the same math to impress the public with stuff that isn't happening in real life.

Yupper! Can't agree enough!

 

[Grumpy8811]

fellas, extrapolating 30k vehicles EV sales per quarter over a year, it sounds more like 120k a year versus the 8 or 12 you think is funny.

QUOTE" U.S. Q3 Sales: Another Record Quarter of EV Sales
Tue, October 1, 2024

DETROIT — General Motors (NYSE: GM) and its dealers increased retail sales by 3% year over year and delivered 659,601 total vehicles, down 2%, in the U.S. in the third quarter of 2024. The company achieved another record quarter of EV sales with 32,095 total deliveries, up 60% year-over-year and up 46% compared to the second quarter of 2024.
https://investor.gm.com/news-releases/news-release-details/us-q3-sales-another-record-quarter-ev-sales#:~:text=The company achieved another record,the second quarter of 2024.

 

[Diesel85]

That is less than 5% (4.86% to be exact) of total vehicle deliveries for GM.

It's a marketing-investor gimmick. Or "read between the lines" when investing type deal.

Unofficial numbers (not sure why GM doesn't flaunt this!) for the mini-Duramax is less than 15% (14%) as of earlier this year. Seat of my pants judging from what I see on the road this fall/winter I'm guessing more like 18-20% of sales.

For the first time, I've heard Hotshots EDT being advertised on the public radio. First time in my life I've ever heard of a diesel additive being advertised on the public radio. I've listened to a lot of radio.

 

[Grumpy8811]

That is less than 5% (4.86% to be exact) of total vehicle deliveries for GM.

It's a marketing-investor gimmick. Or "read between the lines" when investing type deal.

Unofficial numbers (not sure why GM doesn't flaunt this!) for the mini-Duramax is less than 15% (14%) as of earlier this year. Seat of my pants judging from what I see on the road this fall/winter I'm guessing more like 18-20% of sales.

For the first time, I've heard Hotshots EDT being advertised on the public radio. First time in my life I've ever heard of a diesel additive being advertised on the public radio. I've listened to a lot of radio.

I have no innate prejudice against any type of powerplant used in a vehicle, whether diesel, gas, EV or Hybrid or steam engine...

people can spin news any way they prefer to satisfy their own particular worldview,
but IMHO if EV sales were essentially zero a few years ago and are now 50k or 100k a year for one particular manufacturer, its hard to say it is anything but sales growth of EV's, no matter the size of sales compared to conventional vehicles..
..
it is also worth saying this is probably the beginning curve of a trend, not the hi point.

 

[Ozymandias]

In Europe a lot of these sales are fleet vehicles or sold to dealers stock.
It is a bubble, no less.

 

[Diesel85]

And to pop the EV bubble even more, my company has been getting contracts to remove -- yes REMOVE EV chargers. We already removed one three weeks ago that had 6 charging bays. We installed the charging bays about 4 years ago, and now we are removing them. Not due to vandalism or non-use, it's the fact that the company was having all kinds of customer complaints and them not working correctly, along with other working issues. We will be removing 7 more charging systems next month. We also got shafted on a few installs. Things are going backwards for EV.

2 days ago State Farm mentioned removing them out of their parking garages:

 

[Grumpy8811]

And to pop the EV bubble even more, my company has been getting contracts to remove -- yes REMOVE EV chargers. We already removed one three weeks ago that had 6 charging bays. We installed the charging bays about 4 years ago, and now we are removing them. Not due to vandalism or non-use, it's the fact that the company was having all kinds of customer complaints and them not working correctly, along with other working issues. We will be removing 7 more charging systems next month. We also got shafted on a few installs. Things are going backwards for EV.

2 days ago State Farm mentioned removing them out of their parking garages:

yeah, I tend to think even though the Greenies want to force EV's down people's throats, ultimately the market will make the decision.
That said where an EV is practical it is probably going to be a pretty good option for some people.
( think at home charging for commuter types)
Sort of like when the Prius first came out it was a novelty but quietly the Hybrid's and battery tech have improved and market penetration has went up
without anyone forcing anyone to buy or many people noticing..
My son has a Hybrid Accord.. thing will drive on the battery for 4 or 5 miles while still having an engine. car gets 50 mpg.
Neighbor has a Toyota Hybrid 4 runner. She doesn't drive alot but she told me she hasn't bought gas in 6 months.
other neighbor has a Ford Fusion Hybrid with extended range on battery.. forget what he told me it would do but it was substantial
so slowly but surely you should be able to see what is coming, no matter what the negatives are now regarding EV's.

I could see myself with an electric car at some point, when I age out of going long distances and RV towing.

 

[Ozymandias]

Sure there is room for EV, just not for everything and everyone.
For a commute of a couple miles with a charger un reach ut is a great thing, also cheaper then a gas vehicle. But not so much for someone living in the boonies.
The market shall decide, there is no black and white.

 

[EDankievitch]

Judging by the plethora of mini-D's I've been seeing around town and how many I've run into at the diesel pumps is astonishing. Folks really like diesel. Almost every owner has a new (good!) perspective on diesel.

You make a good diesel engine, and people will have a totally different view on it.

VW/Gen 2 EcoD/mini-Powerstroke really tarnished the diesel image.
I’ve got a mini power stroke. Wouldn’t trade it for the world. Smooth quiet awesome fuel economy. I wish that they would build more.

 

[JPM]

.............Neighbor has a Toyota Hybrid 4 runner. She doesn't drive alot but she told me she hasn't bought gas in 6 months.
other neighbor has a Ford Fusion Hybrid with extended range on battery.. forget what he told me it would do but it was substantial
so slowly but surely you should be able to see what is coming, no matter what the negatives are now regarding EV's.

I could see myself with an electric car at some point, when I age out of going long distances and RV towing.

good luck relying on that gas engine and its fuel system after it hasn't run in 6 months or more

 

[AnonEd]

Neighbor has a Toyota Hybrid 4 runner. She doesn't drive alot but she told me she hasn't bought gas in 6 months.

I'm curious if the neighbor works for Toyota...I don't think (it's a 2025 model) 4Runner Hybrid was in production six months ago and are just beginning to get out to dealers.

 

[Grumpy8811]

I'm curious if the neighbor works for Toyota...I don't think (it's a 2025 model) 4Runner Hybrid was in production six months ago and are just beginning to get out to dealers.

she doesn't work for them.. to be honest it might not be a 4 Runner, ...... not being a Toyota guy,it is a guess on my part, so anyway it is a Toyota Hybrid SUV.. something in the mid sized range.

 

[Grumpy8811]

good luck relying on that gas engine and its fuel system after it hasn't run in 6 months or more

it has run in the last 6 months... probably in the last 6 days... what it hasn't had is to be refueled.. she doesn't go out much and everything is within ten miles.
big difference there..

 

[MarkEagleUSA]

she doesn't work for them.. to be honest it might not be a 4 Runner, ...... not being a Toyota guy,it is a guess on my part, so anyway it is a Toyota Hybrid SUV.. something in the mid sized range.

The hybrid Toyota SUV is the Highlander.

 

[Tuesdak]

Judging by the plethora of mini-D's I've been seeing around town and how many I've run into at the diesel pumps is astonishing. Folks really like diesel. Almost every owner has a new (good!) perspective on diesel.

You make a good diesel engine, and people will have a totally different view on it.

VW/Gen 2 EcoD/mini-Powerstroke really tarnished the diesel image.
I’ve got a mini power stroke. Wouldn’t trade it for the world. Smooth quiet awesome fuel economy. I wish that they would build more.

Can GM ruin the diesel market for another 20 years? When other OEM's are smart enough to DROP THEM GM goes on selling the light duty 1/2 ton diesels. GM's ruining the diesel market with the Olds Diesel almost doomed the Ram Cummins from ever seeing the light of day.

I actually noticed one 3.0L I6 running today. So GM finally got the damn things out of the dealer's shop and able to run without a cooling valve problem going into "Reduced Power". Good thing as Half the Electric Hummers my favorite GMC dealer sold are back in the shop for repair. Makes it a 30 day wait to get dad's van looked at and worked on as the dealership is so far behind.

I don't trust electrical from The Big Three on ICE vehicles and they think the usual skimp on wire size, low bidder electrical parts is going to cut it for an EV... Only the airbag recall eclipsed the GM ignition switch recall that as a convenience also shut the airbag off with the engine. Yeah The Big Three have a long hard earned bad reputation where "pick something else because it might actually be better, can't be worse" applies for an EV.

I had predicted the Zero or Hero Ecodiesel because GM had a hand in it. The 3.0L I6 is worse as it wasn't even a joint venture: some engineer that has ZERO Diesel Experience came up with a nightmare timing chain belt drive and threw some coolant valves in the design. Reality of GM manufacturing and low bidder has already nearly doomed the engine as customers give up on diesel being stuck in service again and again over coolant valve troubles that the dealer(s) were helpless to fix. Production of the engine was even paused as they had to figure it out. The green engineer also decided to use a unique oil filter regardless of a bunch of common available part numbers. The result was you couldn't even change the oil for a time due an oil filter shortage for that engine. GM issued a TSB over it: any brand filter would be covered under warranty when used by a GM Dealership. GM couldn't be bothered to reach out for a proven diesel engine or experienced designers.

Cummins really did something smart by keeping the same oil filter part number.

Yes, compare this to Cummins. Even experienced diesel engine designers have a hard time say with their 5.0L V8 failure. (Or troublesome early 6.7L without DEF) And you expect GM without any help, they tend to half ignore anyway, to make a diesel engine that lives up to expectations? The bar is high and GM ain't even trying!