Competition Sick of Dr. P's record claims!

[Don M]

Dr. P or Dr. Diesel as some call him, is not ripping anyone off.

Customers are given the performance they pay for.

150HP is more costly from Barry than anyone else, but the customers know it up front. They know the price and the power "level", "stage" or "step" they are getting.

I have watched the guys trucks run in Boise and Woodburn and they flat haul a$$.



Another friend of mine has had Barry work on his truck and loves the work he has done to it. He does not feel ripped off.

I have driven the hauler from Dallas to Boise and it is a very good pulling truck for towing a trailer full of race car,spare engines, transmissions, bodys, etc.

Prolly close to 26,000 lbs total and it hauls up the mountains in the West and gets great fuel economy.



Yes, it is expensive, but the quality of work is high as well.



Don~

 

[MUDDY]

Originally posted by Don M

You guys should go meet him. Hes actually a hella guy. I have met him and have some mutual friends with him.

He is very good with diesel and gasser rigs.

Races more than diesel trucks too.



Better to go and have a beer with him and see for yourself before you bad mouth the guy.







Don~

i was told he was a horses ***. can be violent too. isnt that what the kellogg law suit is over. his violence. a discusion over his inferior crap and he punches a dave smith employee in the face. id not share a beverage with that man.



lets face it. he is a liar. between him advertising old modified pumps as new, and charging big bucks for packages that offer half the gain that he claims, it appears he is a liar.



when my rig with tm ecm and 275s lost power after a swap to dr p phase 2 that should have nearly doubled the gain of power over stock, i found out in a hurry dr p is a crook.



there is a lot of folks out there that have a dr p kit, then swap out the injectors and add a box because the dr p kit doesnt give the added power that the crook claims.

 

[Don M]

Briar,



Where did that come from and whats with your facination with sphincters? You should halt the talk of such things before someone questions your gender. Our last two discussions have shown that you will have the lowest common denominator in human behavior.



Like I said before, people know what they pay for up front. The Mercedes dealer rips me off everytime I go there for my wifes car too; if I use your reasoning.

Mercedes parts and labor are expensive when compared to most others. I dont feel ripped off though. I know what they cost up front before I buy them. The car is very safe and we have had good luck with it. I feel good with the kids riding in a safe car as well. I could get a cheaper ride for them and go around saying how the Mercedes dealer ripped me off. But, its stupid to do so.

This past summer I had an air conditioning compressor go out in the car. It was about 1200 bucks for a new one. Are there cheaper ones? Yes. I got one for my old mustang for 89 bucks. Did I get ripped off from the Benz dealer? No, I knew the cost of the parts up front.





Customers of Dr P. are told before they have work done the price and they get the performance they pay for. Yes, its more expensive. So what, if you dont want or cant afford him to work on your truck, you dont have to. Simple.



Im not claiming the value is better. Im only asking where is the theft or ripping off? It isnt happening Briar. Simple.



Don~

 

[Stefan Kondolay]

Don,



I agree that if a customer is happy that's all that matters. But keep in mind that most of the happy customers probably haven't been on the TDR. I went to Texas and met a DR. P customer who was telling me that he got his truck done up for $1900 plus $300 installation. I told him that I had about the same into my truck so he wasn't doing so bad. He said that Dr. P was a nice guy, they went to breakfast while the mechanics were working on the truck. The install only took 1. 5 hours. That made me ask what the he!! did you get for that price. He told me a set of injectors and a boost module. Doesn't seem expensive to me it sounds like robbery. I went for a drive in his truck and to say the least I could hardly tell that it wasn't stock. Keep in mind that it was a phase 2, maybe the phase 3 makes one he!! of a difference. But he went in my truck and I thought that he was going to cry.



In May Madness we (DTT staff) as well as many others watched a Dr. P equipped truck make 204hp (it was a 24valve) with a phase 2. So he figure that the dyno was screwed, so they put a True Torque from DD on it and made 270+hp. I can tell you that he wasn't ready to cry he was furious.



I think when many people talk negative about Dr. P it maybe because they know or have met someone in this situation. I'm sure that he is one he!! of a guy otherwise he wouldn't be in business.



I also agree that quality work does cost, let's just make sure you do get what you pay for.

 

[Don M]

Stephan,



I never said the value was any better than anyone elses. Value from one to another is not always the same.



I know folks who have had great luck with him and I appears that others have not. I did drive a Dr P truck and it was great. Up and down mountians through Colorado, Wyo and Idaho. It was pullin' great and got good mileage.

I see some have had their problems with him. All vendors have problems with customers.



Finally, Dr P does not live or hang in Texas. He has a dealer here though. Probably the manager or something.



muddymess,



are you saying you had work done in Kellog and did not get what you paid for? If so, get your cash back or have them fix it.



Don~

 

[Stefan Kondolay]

Don,



This guy said that it was Dr. P (Barry) that he ate with. His wife said that he was huge (juiced roid monkey) and most people can confirm that. I don't know where the breakfast took place.

 

[Don M]

Thats cool.



Ill remember the "roid monkey" saying. Thats a good one. Never heard that before.



Don~

 

[Don M]

On a side, I do not use Dr Performance products. I made the decision to use another Dr.



Dr. Donnelly, THE Dr. of Cummins performance.



Don~

 

[MUDDY]

Originally posted by Don M



muddymess,



are you saying you had work done in Kellog and did not get what you paid for? If so, get your cash back or have them fix it.



Don~

i got my tm ecm and 275s reinstalled. got a refund. drove away with more power and lower egt.



what gets my goat is the tm and the 275s are supposed to be a 120 lb ft tq gain over stock. dr p phase 2 is advertised to add 200 lb ft tq. how come with the install of the ph 2 i lost 7 mph with a load on my test hill. how come the egt was greater with the ph 2, when the mad dr advertises them to be lower than other kits and they claim a pyro aint nessesary.



the issue i have isnt the high price. i was ignant and didnt know about the great products that are available. i can thank the tdr bretheren for the education on bombing but at that time i was uneducated. the iissue i have is i didnt get what i paid for. i paid for 200 lb ft tq over stock. i barely recieved half that.



its bad enough to pay the high price the dr of proctology demands. but to not get what you paid for and recieve a cornholeing instead really pisses me off.

 

[Don M]

Glad you got a refund.





Some guys on here are calling him a rip off or whatever, but you got your money back right?



Don~

 

[MUDDY]

got my money back, but wasted most of a couple of days and some driving time. oh well.



didnt deal with dr p directly. dealt with a dealer who has a franchise. at least they are honest and gave me a refund. they are the ones who are out the labor time. too bad they got brainwashed into selling dr p products. the dealer was nice and wanted to keep a satisfied customer.



another thing. dr p set up their first demo truck and signed them up for the franchise. it ran well. it was supposed to be a ph 2. the folks at the dealer later told me they suspect dr p put in a ph 3 and told them it was a ph 2 just to get them to buy the franchise.



fraud and deceit.

 

[MCummings]

Originally posted by Stefan Kondolay

Merrick,



I was just on a different thread asking for money. It seems to me that you must have a full pocket with all the saving. I need a cam and head for DD, you have the money, I have the want. What a combination. That's a fair deal don't you think?

Sorry Stefan, but with the PE COMP, Injectors, and my new clutch I need all that money for tires.



Next time we see each other,, I'll show you , LOL.

I know you've probly been going sideways in a dually at 30 MPH smokin' the rear tires,, or in 4th gear having the rear end slide out for a second on any small imperfection in the road surface. (Still saving money to have fun in 5th gear)



Also going in circles with the speedo reading 45MPH is fun,, not to mention that wonderfull smell,,,, Burning rubber ! sniff-sniff-sniff,, ahhh, THAT smells good.



I've got a bit of Piers in me. LOL Darnit Piers !! Why did I watch all your Burnout video's ??? LOL



MerrickNJr

 

[DEZLPWR]

I feel sorry for this poor soul....(Banks)

Not to start another Banks bashing session, but... .

Did you guys see the poor guy on the TDR classifieds that is selling his Banks Stinger Plus kit for $2000? It is bad enough that he never got a chance to install it on his truck before he sold it, but even worse is that he originally paid $2875 for it! Gotta love it! I think he might have a hard time finding a buyer for $2000. Do you think Banks might take it off his hands?

 

[Doc Tinker]

I wonder when Dr. P will stop in the GLTDR chatroom.



Doc

 

[Briar Hopper]

Originally posted by Don M

Briar,



Where did that come from and whats with your facination with sphincters? You should halt the talk of such things before someone questions your gender. Our last two discussions have shown that you will have the lowest common denominator in human behavior.







Don~

On the contrary, Don, any person reading the "discussions" between us on other threads, especially the one about oil change intervals, can see for themselves that you derive great amusement from posting inflammatory and argumentative statements, then claiming you were only kidding. You also have a clever way of twisting people's words around, taking them out of context, and using them against that person. Hence the anatomical reference to your type of personality. Not one person in these forums would blame me for that.

What a clever attempt to insult me by "questioning my gender" in a roundabout way... . don't you actually mean "sexual orientation" ? Gender is male, or female.

Perhaps I should not call a spade a spade, when sitting across the table from you in this meaningless verbal poker game.

Not when everyone else in the room can see the cards you're holding .

In other words, intelligent people can see you for what you are, the south end of a northbound horse. I have no fear of what others in the diesel community think of me. Though a few friends may question my lack of foresight in sitting down at the table with you, and getting drawn into your silly, inflammatory attempts at verbal jousting. I'm sure some deficiency in your personality may make you find the need to continue this, but I see no need.

As for stooping to the lowest common denominator, I have not yet begun to do so. That's something better reserved for when we meet in person.

 

[Don M]

Briar,



Its starting to get a bit out of hand.



Truce?



Don~



BTW,

I need your help on something. Electrical related.

 

[SteveH]

I've been watching this thread go further in the gutter as the days go by. Bottom line is that some of you are not satisfied with Dr. P. We're not Americas' fraud police and if we tried to hold every advertisement to its nth degree of accuracy, we'd not have time to even drive our rigs. I happen to be very satisfied with the HP gain I got at Kellog from Dr. P. I know some of us have no complaints and feel we got exactly what we paid for. So what, if Dr. P is musclebound? Does this affect his product? Would it be better if he were a 100 pound sissy? If you don't like his product or advertising, don't buy his product. Boycot him this week and somebody else next week, and somebody else the week after that. Like our little buddy Rotney King said " can't we all just get along?" Just my 2 cents worth.

Steve H.

 

[Johnboy3]

Well said Steve. If the products were truly crap, he wouldn't be in business for as long as he has been.

 

[Steve St.Laurent]

My original point on this post was the world record claims on their website - which are completely false. I went back to the SCTA website and Barry Sadler does in fact have a land speed record at El Mirage at 125. 745 set on 11/1/98. Here's the exact post from their website:

BONNEVILLE LAND SPEED RECORD!

148 MPH (8/17/99)

Dr. Performance wipes out record held by Ritchie Petty

Dr. Sadler drove the Dodge dually to a new land speed record for production turbo charged vehicles by over 7 mph, using just one pass to set the record and another to back it up. With an overdrive still to be used, it is scary to think how fast he could really go!

Now if you go to the SCTA website ( http://www.scta-bni.org/ ) and go to the Bonneville results you will see that the C/DT record (the one that Barry Sadler has at El Mirage) was set by the Hooker-Graham-Hooker Team by J Hookey in 8/87 at 159. 647 mph - that 12 YEARS and 11. 647 mph FASTER than what Dr. Performance is claiming! IMO, that's not holding someone to the nth degree of accuracy in their advertising - it's on the record books! The drag racing time is a different story - after all, Autowurks time wasn't made until June '01 - so this could be taken as holding someone to the nth degree of accuracy in advertising. I for one though wouldn't be claiming to be the biggest and baddest if I couldn't back it up given current data. I have issues with Dr. P regarding their advertising outside of this factual data and have posted in the past regarding their misleading claims as to the warrranty they offer ( see https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22440&perpage=30&pagenumber=2 for my comments). With this post I was simply trying to point out claims that are being made that can not be backed up (and furthermore can't be refuted) by any other source.



-Steve

 

[Briar Hopper]

His products may do what they claim he does. I wouldn't know. I do know I'm not impressed with what I've seen, there are two Dr. P trucks here in my area that I've encountered, and both drivers made efforts to encounter me, one while in traffic, one at the diesel pumps, and ask me about my truck. Both were stunned and disappointed at the low cost needed to get my 450plus HP. One even accused me of lying, until I pulled out copies of my dyno printouts that I keep with my TDR brochures and Amsoil catalogs in the backseat. Also happened to have my original receipts with me from TST Products, showing what I spent. But, But, But... . all that alone has NEVER been why I started my original thread against Dr. P. My reason for starting that thread was to protest the outrageously over-inflated claims in the ad that Dr. P placed in the latest issue of the TDR magazine. Just as Steve St. Laurent in this thread, is pointing out the outlandish and false claims to world records that Dr. P has posted on his website.

Couple the false advertising with really high prices, and you do not get a flattering picture of the company or the man. Simple.

Don, a truce? Fine. I don't wish to debate ANY issues with you from now on. Nothing to be gained by doing so.