SMarty and Hot Juice

[Luken]

13 FLAT?!?!?! Sign me up!!! Now that is what I was hoping to hear!

I sent you a pm.

 

[Diesel Power]

I agree. Marianne at HTS has an 05 with an intake, their bully dog program, and a pressure box, (stock turbo, injectors, cp3) it runs 13 flat consistantly.

i dont think you will get 13's flat with a stock turbo, you egt's will be too high

 

[lmills]

IMO- I think mid 13's is pushing it for the stocker. Just my opinion. I guess most anything can be done, but the question is, for how long? There is no way that poor stocker will hold up to 500 HP for long.

 

[Diesel Power]

IMO- I think mid 13's is pushing it for the stocker. Just my opinion. I guess most anything can be done, but the question is, for how long? There is no way that poor stocker will hold up to 500 HP for long.

you are correct, the stocker could barely handle the stock power :-laf

 

[Luken]

i dont think you will get 13's flat with a stock turbo, you egt's will be too high

Imagine that coming from you... .



I just got off the phone with Dusty. He has 30-40 slips with the truck running 13. 01 to 13. 5. I didn't believe it either till I drove to Michigan for my transmission and rode in the truck. It's insane...



Once again you make statements using all of your knowledge and your wrong.



Yes the truck runs 13 flat with a stock turbo. The egt's aren't hot enough to melt it down yet.

 

[RobertP]

luken, you know alot of guys who can go really fast with mostly stock trucks.

you must live somewhere where there is perfect temps and track conditions.



or alot of the guys you talk to just have been getting very lucky with stock parts holding up to the abuse.



anyone where we are would have had the turbo let go and eat the engine :-laf

 

[DHawk]

Anybody And I Do Mean Anybody,with All Your Extreme Diesel Knowledge, Wants Me To Show Them That What Luken Said Is True, Please Tell Me Where And When. It Will Be Very Easy To Prove. I Know Lots Of Trucks That Run Mid To Low 13's With Stock Turbos Without A Problem, From 12 Valve To Common Rails,maybe Your Just Not As Smart As You Think You Guys Are.

Keith Bishop

 

[RobertP]

Anybody And I Do Mean Anybody,with All Your Extreme Diesel Knowledge, Wants Me To Show Them That What Luken Said Is True, Please Tell Me Where And When. It Will Be Very Easy To Prove. I Know Lots Of Trucks That Run Mid To Low 13's With Stock Turbos Without A Problem, From 12 Valve To Common Rails,maybe Your Just Not As Smart As You Think You Guys Are.

Keith Bishop

what kind of knowledge needed to add a box to a truck? so being smart has nothing to do with it.

 

[Diesel Power]

Anybody And I Do Mean Anybody,with All Your Extreme Diesel Knowledge, Wants Me To Show Them That What Luken Said Is True, Please Tell Me Where And When. It Will Be Very Easy To Prove. I Know Lots Of Trucks That Run Mid To Low 13's With Stock Turbos Without A Problem, From 12 Valve To Common Rails,maybe Your Just Not As Smart As You Think You Guys Are.

Keith Bishop

look i said I DONT THINK that 13's flat was happening with a stock cp3, stock injectors, and a stock turbo. while it's possible, i would not have put mine or a customers truck at risk by doing so ... ... ... ... ... ... . maybe you guys are not as smart as you thing you are. who cares really its a 13 second truck with stock sh** on it. I dont have time to converse over this. we dont need to ruin a good thread. if it bothers you then im sorry.

 

[Luken]

luken, you know alot of guys who can go really fast with mostly stock trucks.

you must live somewhere where there is perfect temps and track conditions.



or alot of the guys you talk to just have been getting very lucky with stock parts holding up to the abuse.



anyone where we are would have had the turbo let go and eat the engine :-laf

I don't know alot of guys that go really fast... One friend has the 06 g56 runs low 14s with a bully dog/ramifier. ( you guys didn't believe that one. ) The other people are from Michigan. Toolman runs 12. 3x with a stock cp3. My truck with stock injectors and cp3 at 12. 62 isn't to shabby.



Me and my buddy run stock parts because we are young and don't have the cash to spend. If you aint got access to parts you make what you have work.



We all don't have the parts to make 800 hp and have the "fastest common rail in the world"

you must live somewhere where there is perfect temps and track conditions.

S. W. Missouri... Your kidding right?

 

[Luken]

look i said I DONT THINK that 13's flat was happening with a stock cp3, stock injectors, and a stock turbo. while it's possible, i would not have put mine or a customers truck at risk by doing so ... ... ... ... ... ... .

Ya you say you wouldn't put a customers truck at risk. . Because you would tell them it isn't possible so you could sell them a turbo.

who cares really its a 13 second truck with stock sh** on it. I dont have time to converse over this.

Yes it is a 13 second truck with stock crap on it. I think anyone that doesn't have the cash to buy parts but wants to run 13's would care. There is already someone in this thread that asked about it.

if it bothers you then im sorry.

Nothing coming from you bothers anyone. Everyone I've talked to would back me up...

 

[Diesel Power]

Ya you say you wouldn't put a customers truck at risk. . Because you would tell them it isn't possible so you could sell them a turbo.









Yes it is a 13 second truck with stock crap on it. I think anyone that doesn't have the cash to buy parts but wants to run 13's would care. There is already someone in this thread that asked about it.









Nothing coming from you bothers anyone. Everyone I've talked to would back me up...

thats funny, because me and who ever has responded knows whats possible with theses third gens, but it's not praticle to get so close to the edge, plus every truck runs different, people want reliable trucks. so it's not something you could consisitently duplicat. you need to just let it go and mess with someone else's thread, this is getting you no where

 

[Luken]

Im argueing with a man that knows everything. I should have known to shut up. You have the 800hp truck (with no dyno graphs) and the fastest common rail ...



Let me ask you this... What do you need to have on a truck to be reliable?

 

[RobertP]

well the parts that i would like to have to make sure my truck is going to stay reliable. first off a set of injectors due to the fact that to many people who have added pressure to their trucks have had injectors fail.

next would be a turbo because with what ever box you my run it will have boost fooling and we have already found out that these stock turbos like to come apart at about 40 psi when that happens time to replace a 6,000 dollar engine.

thats just a little bit of what kind of reliability i would like to have.



believe me i have never claimed to know everything and never will. if you review some of my threads you will see i do ask many questions. also i work at the dealership and have plenty of people for me to ask questions to. if they cant help i do have a buddy who works for cummins that i can depend on to help me out.

 

[Luken]

I understand that you guys like to push injectors, turbos, cp3, and rail cap. I would too if I was making $$ off of the sales. Just keep on telling guys it's not safe and not reliable to go fast with stock parts. 6 months ago I didn't think it would be possible to get my truck in the 12's with stock injectors and a stock cp3. I'm glad I just gave it a shot before I listened to some of the guys on these forums. I'd be a much poorer man.



I give up. I don't know what I'm doing. I need to get a cp3, injectors, and a rail cap :-laf



Then maybe I could be one of the guys thats doing it the right way.

 

[Diesel Power]

I understand that you guys like to push injectors, turbos, cp3, and rail cap. I would too if I was making $$ off of the sales. Just keep on telling guys it's not safe and not reliable to go fast with stock parts. 6 months ago I didn't think it would be possible to get my truck in the 12's with stock injectors and a stock cp3. I'm glad I just gave it a shot before I listened to some of the guys on these forums. I'd be a much poorer man.



I give up. I don't know what I'm doing. I need to get a cp3, injectors, and a rail cap :-laf



Then maybe I could be one of the guys thats doing it the right way.

i dont have a whole lot to say to you as it would get us no where, but your lack of knowledge and ability to build a reliable and fast truck shows. maybee you need to tell everyone that has injectors, cp3 and rail cap and what ever, else that they are stupid and dont know what they are doing ect. ect... ... ... ... ... ... . that list would be higher than you can count

 

[Luken]

i dont have a whole lot to say to you as it would get us no where, but your lack of knowledge and ability to build a reliable and fast truck shows. maybee you need to tell everyone that has injectors, cp3 and rail cap and what ever, else that they are stupid and dont know what they are doing ect. ect... ... ... ... ... ... . that list would be higher than you can count

I will tell ANYONE that you do not need injectors and a cp3 mod to get into the 12's. And do it reliable.



My truck runs 12's all day long without injectors and cp3. RamWheelsBy4 on the DTR is doing the same thing. Cquestad is doing it too.



I never said people who have cp3's, injectors, and rail caps are stupid. I'll have them someday too. Not from you but from other suppliers.



My point is your telling people it's not reliable because your pushing parts. Suprise, suprise.

 

[RobertP]

all i can say is start a poll and see how many injector failures have happened due to added pressure. it may amaze you. another good reason to have new injectors is that i am getting better fuel milage with them and my truck runs much smoother.



as for the cp3, im not saying that the stock ones are unreliable i still have a stock cp3 and turbo on my truck. if i had the money for them you'd better believe that i would have them though. and i hope you would do the same regardless of who you purchase them from.



but what i am saying about the cp3's is that you can stand to make much more power with a modded pump.

 

[Luken]

but what i am saying about the cp3's is that you can stand to make much more power with a modded pump.

I completely agree. That's why I have a spare pump at Floor-It right now. I will have a set of Don's injectors to go with it.



I never said injectors and cp3's are a waste or the guys who run them are stupid. You just need them to make power, go fast, or be reliable. Minus blowing a headgasket my truck has been reliable. Injectors and a cp3 wouldn't have prevented that. Hopefully when I get injectors and the pump I can say I have 800hp. I highly doubt it tho.

 

[RobertP]

Hopefully when I get injectors and the pump I can say I have 800hp. I highly doubt it tho.

you are in the 600's now so a set of injectors and a cp3, may put you pretty close.