SMarty and Hot Juice

[Luken]

i dont have a whole lot to say to you as it would get us no where, but your lack of knowledge and ability to build a reliable and fast truck shows. maybee you need to tell everyone that has injectors, cp3 and rail cap and what ever, else that they are stupid and dont know what they are doing ect. ect... ... ... ... ... ... . that list would be higher than you can count

If those parts are so reliable then why don't you use some of your knowledge and get your truck running good again. It seems like everyday you have a new problem.

 

[RobertP]

If those parts are so reliable then why don't you use some of your knowledge and get your truck running good again. It seems like everyday you have a new problem.

the parts in question are working flawlessly. we are having major trans issuse right now. and some little electronic gremlins also.

 

[GWoody]

well the parts that i would like to have to make sure my truck is going to stay reliable. first off a set of injectors due to the fact that to many people who have added pressure to their trucks have had injectors fail.

next would be a turbo because with what ever box you my run it will have boost fooling and we have already found out that these stock turbos like to come apart at about 40 psi when that happens time to replace a 6,000 dollar engine.

thats just a little bit of what kind of reliability i would like to have.



believe me i have never claimed to know everything and never will. if you review some of my threads you will see i do ask many questions. also i work at the dealership and have plenty of people for me to ask questions to. if they cant help i do have a buddy who works for cummins that i can depend on to help me out.

What type alloy are you building these nozzles and bodies out of on your injectors that make them so much better than the stock ones?

 

[RobertP]

What type alloy are you building these nozzles and bodies out of on your injectors that make them so much better than the stock ones?

its not the alloy that is used the is the EDMing process that opens the holes in the nozzles up to allow the injector to endure more pressure because it is spraying more. thats what makes it able to handle the higher pressures. also the EDMing process has something to do with it.

 

[WCPoe]

Smarty with newest TST vs Hot Juice/Attitude

Ok guys let me beg to get back on the original thread question. Diesel Power you indicated:

the edge is programed for the stock ecm, it modifies those parameters, when those parameters are changed ( smarty ) it can no longer clearly understand whats going on. thats where your power loss is coming from.

Doesn't the TST box suffer the same problems as the Hot Juice/Attitude with the Smarty programs unloaded? If it works correctly with the Smarty, (with or without the EZ pressure box), I will become a TST owner and probably sell the HJ/A.

I appreciate all the input and I'm relying on your expertise, so once again any input will help. Thanks in advance.

Bill

 

[lmills]

The edge is getting some of it's readings from the data port that goes to the ECM. So when the ECM is sending out other than factory settings, the Edge box can't understand it. The TST however does not go about it the same way. It reads timing directly off of the crankshaft and cam shaft sensors.

 

[WCPoe]

Thanks Lmills

Thanks Lmills - I knew someone would enlighten me. So I take it the TST box would be the box to get if you had my combo?

 

[lmills]

TST makes an awesome product. Not to take anything away from Edge, but I think there are more high HP trucks (on the TDR) running it then any other

 

[Diesel Power]

Ok guys let me beg to get back on the original thread question. Diesel Power you indicated:

Doesn't the TST box suffer the same problems as the Hot Juice/Attitude with the Smarty programs unloaded? If it works correctly with the Smarty, (with or without the EZ pressure box), I will become a TST owner and probably sell the HJ/A.

I appreciate all the input and I'm relying on your expertise, so once again any input will help. Thanks in advance.

Bill

the edge has a totally different base platform than the smarty,smarty has changed a lot of things that the edge does not recognize, tst and smarty have worked together on the smarty and tst lately. so there more stackable. the edge was not intended to be stacked with a downloader, very few work well, but if you were to stack a plug in box the juice comes alive Oo. i know this first hand, but the data link is a port the juice uses, it does this because thats the only way to readily get vital engine info , like intake temp, throttle %, barometric psi, transmission temp, engine temp and stuff like that. i have ran it with out the data link and it just limits what you see on the monitor, no power difference though, as it just for info.

 

[WCPoe]

Info appreciated

Thanks Diesel Power. I think I'm beginning to understand now. I believe a TST box is in my future. Oo.

Bill

 

[lmills]

Has anyone tried running the juice with the smarty and the data cable disconnected?

 

[JFarnam]

it doesn't matter what you do to your truck its always going to stand a chance at breaking something. you can spend all the money in the world on the truck if u want. once you decide you want to go to the track or to a pull your going to break something. you can have a built transmission, big turbo, studded, o-rigged or fire ringed, fuel system, cp3, injectors, the list goes on. once you have what you think you need then something else like driveshafts, freeze plugs, rods, transfer cases, pistons, the list still goes on. the question is when are you content with what you have. if you are like me its never fast enough or wont pull far enough. unless you have unlimited funds its all about most bang for the buck. i ran 13 . 50s all day long on the stock turbo (with converter and valve body) without it missing a lick. like most people i wanted to go the next step so i went turbo, transmission, studds, intercooler, fuel system. money doesn't buy reliablity my brother in law spent 20k at ATS with ATS installing all the products and it was anything but reliable. there is a fine line between performace and reliablity anyway. AS SOON AS SOMEONE COMES UP WITH A RELIABLE 12. 50 ET FORMULA(UNLIMITED 1/4 MILE RUNS, UNLIMITED SLED PULLS, AND UNLIMITED MILEAGE) ... YOU CAN SIGN ME UP i'll be waitng a while. IMHO reliability and performance don't go together. the awesome package that luken is running is alot of bang for the buck. 13. 0s on a stock turbo and stock injectors is the ultimate bang for the buck. alot of you are think it will result in a big bang, but they went thier way. diesel performance is no different than any other type of performance. the reality is your goign to have to pay to play. it may be sooner for some people or later for the others. PAY TO PLAY

 

[Diesel Power]

thats not true, barry@ NADP has a 03' that has the same transmission, injectors, axels,drive shaft-----you name it, thats still not broken, and he's got a dually, that now run's 12. 3, with almost the same combo i have. if you build it right the first time it will last a long time... ..... for the most part :-laf

 

[JFarnam]

barry fastest 3rd gen broke as t case right?? (it my be a customers truck)

 

[JFarnam]

barry told my brother in law that hes went through alot of turbos. not sure what went wrong, but what happened to the truck they took the WeekEnd on The Edge. I heard they didn't have great success. RELIABILITY RIGHT

 

[Diesel Power]

barry fastest 3rd gen broke as t case right?? (it my be a customers truck)

yea that was the customers truck :-laf ..... i wonder who paid for that? Oo.

 

[JFarnam]

so he can build me a 100% problem free race truck? no matter what you will have problems. :-laf for the most part

 

[Diesel Power]

barry told my brother in law that hes went through alot of turbos. not sure what went wrong, but what happened to the truck they took the WeekEnd on The Edge. I heard they didn't have great success. RELIABILITY RIGHT

they didnt have any problems, but brett @ II did, his bottom turbo blew apart.