Smarty, the new CaTCHER tool.

[Mundgyver]

If this is the case, guess we all have big tow monsters now Has some one posted the dyno # yet that show this. I have not reviewed the thread yet.

 

[darkhorse]

Idle information

Marco, my Smarty has V:1. 13A D:1. 02A



The idle on #1 is just the same as the other programs that is 750 to 800 rpm.



The cold weather high idle is enabled, which is cool because I never had it before.

 

[JR2]

So if I read this correctly ... I have a 2002 HO and I add the Smarty I will have somewhere around 1000 lbs/ft of torque? (stock 505 lbs/ft X 2)



I don't know, did you have 500 ft/lbs at 2000 rpm??? What Marco said is that the torque at 2000 rpm was double, not that you could double the max torque.

 

[FFL8N]

I think the double quote was just talk. If the ecm can't give you a wire tap kind of HP, then it isn't going to give you more than that kind of power in Torque. I think it was more of a seat of the pants feel and talk than an actual number. Lets not get to carried away here.

 

[Marco]

I think the double quote was just talk.

Nope not just talk.

If you take a stock engine and dyno it, @ 2K Rpm it'll show a little less than 300 Ft lbs. With the CaTCHER... .



Marco

 

[Marco]

Idle speed.

The idle on #1 is just the same as the other programs that is 750 to 800 rpm.

Darkhorse,

I know, that's been a mistake. In fact in one of the very first MSG's I've send to all beta testers I've told you that in a few # 1 softwares I had forgotten to lower the idle speed. I think that was during the holiday season. Where was Mr. Darkhorse during that time? Vacation... . ?:-laf :-laf



This problem will be corrected in revision 1. 03. IF we want to release it to the public.



Marco

 

[Marco]

Numbers...

OK, last MSG for today,then I'll quit. Promise!



I'd like to try to explain how the different sw's in Smarty are laid out and most importantly the reasoning behind it.



You know that I don't like hype. Not my way. Facts no hype.



Fact is that my softwares really wake up the bottom end of the power curve.

Just read what the guys with a CaTCHER ECM say...



The "doubled torque" @ 2K is true for a stock truck, what happens with mods done to the engine? Well that DEPENDS upon the modifications. What is true for one truck might not be for another one with different mods.



The peak hp number @ about 2700 Rpm is almost the same for all softwares from #4 to # 9. What makes them different one from the other is HOW they get to the peak Hp. What happens in the range from let's say 1200 to 2300 is quiet different.



I firmly believe that is the most important Rpm range in the real world, the road.



Saying it with Old Blue's words, the lower sw's are not less horsepower they are "less catcher". That has surprised almost all beta testers.



I've changed the "throttle response" in that RPM range. Then lower the sw # then less aggressive the torque raise the engine develops.



WHY?



In my mind, there are several reasons for it. Icy roads, different modifications done to the engine like injectors, turbo, transmission ( Torque converter! ), taller tires just to mention a few. One should be able to find a software in Smarty that matches his trucks and personal needs best.



Does that make sense? I hope so.



To come to the bottom line. Smarty's peak Hp numbers are similar to other non wire tapping boxes. What makes Smarty very different is what happens before that number.



Marco

 

[blacksheep4x4]

It would be nice be able to adjust between the different levels while driving down the road. Example you pull up to a stop light next to a powerjoke and your on the fuel saver level. Well you don't want just spank the truck next to you ,but rather completely embarress and humiliate him. So it would be nice to beable to switch settings before the light turns green.



I would also like to know if you can stack the smarty with the banks six gun?

 

[Marco]

For switching the softwares on the fly, I'd have to download all the softwares into the ECM . Then I'd need to tell the ECM read this rather than that software on the fly. The 98. 5 to 04 ECM's do not have enough memory space on board. No way. .



The 04. 5 and up ECM's ( CM 848 D ) have more memory space availabel. Enough to write "simple" software variations into them but not enough for what I change to make a software a CaTCHER.



I have no personal experience with the banks six gun loader.



Marco

 

[WCounts]

One good thing about the 3rd gens is you can adjust the power while in motion. I have the tst and va3. 1 remotes in cab and can set the power level needed. When I get my hands on a Smarty I will probly play arround with the different s/ws till I find the one that works best with my set up. And leave it there. I have two set ups I run. One for street/strip and one for towing. Big differance.

 

[millrat]

Ok guys, tried to ask this above... but no response as of yet..... for the slow crowd (me)... . I'm under the impression that running a J/A on lvl 3 or less is relatively safe for a stock truck (note I said relatively)... . can the same be said for the catcher? I really like the thought of more torque / better low-mid power and throttle response... . (vs. hi power at 3k rpm) so i'm leaning toward the smarty... . just want an honest opinion on if it's relatively safe. to put another way, i want to do a perf upgrade first, suck wind and save money for the transmission later..... I feel releatively confident I could do that with the J/A combo..... can I be as confident with the smarty?



I realize it's a new product, but in aggregate it sounds similiar in perf (at level 9) to the prevoius version... . so do those with the previous version feel that it's relatively safe?

I have run my truck(HARD) with the stock clutch since last April and have not had a problem. But I have not had more than 1200 lbs in the box (firewood,hay)or done any towing.

 

[darkhorse]

Darkhorse,

I know, that's been a mistake. In fact in one of the very first MSG's I've send to all beta testers I've told you that in a few # 1 softwares I had forgotten to lower the idle speed. I think that was during the holiday season. Where was Mr. Darkhorse during that time? Vacation... . ?:-laf :-laf



Yes sir! I was "vacationing" in Boulder Colorado at my brother's home. I just love those down slope winds. It got to 71*F on Christmas day. Oo.

 

[blacksheep4x4]

For switching the softwares on the fly, I'd have to download all the softwares into the ECM . Then I'd need to tell the ECM read this rather than that software on the fly. The 98. 5 to 04 ECM's do not have enough memory space on board. No way. .



The 04. 5 and up ECM's ( CM 848 D ) have more memory space availabel. Enough to write "simple" software variations into them but not enough for what I change to make a software a CaTCHER.



I have no personal experience with the banks six gun loader.



Marco

Could you do this on 06 Rams? I have two of them to play with.

Does anybody know if the banks six gun is comparible to any other loaders out there?

 

[FFL8N]

Nope not just talk.

If you take a stock engine and dyno it, @ 2K Rpm it'll show a little less than 300 Ft lbs. With the CaTCHER... .



Marco

Don't get me wrong here, but... ... I hope you are not telling me that with my 6 speed I am going to lose almost half of my peak torque at 2000 rpm? I would have to dyno it to actually see, but I haven't had a stock motor in a long time.

 

[AGrubbs]

I think you have a few things confused. .



Engine Peak torque is not at 2K rpm. . and he is also saying at the rear wheels. . you will have less there at the wheels than you would measureing it at the flywheel (which is where I think the PR peoples spec's come from. . not at the rear wheels)

 

[Murle]

Now that I have been playing with the Smarty now for a couple of weeks... . the best way I can describe the settings is... . The truck that I'm using the Smarty on is stock. Like I have said before the only thing different on the truck is it does have a FASS.



From the #1 setting to the #9 setting there is a improvement over the stock SW. By that I mean that there is noticable difference in a stock truck. I have been going from #1 setting for a day then stock for a day... #2 setting for a day then stock for a day. etc. etc.



No matter what setting I use there is a noticable difference than to stock. I still say that if you cannot find a setting that you like with the Smarty... . then you may be a hard person to please. I really think that this Smarty is going to make most people happy and they will find a setting that they like.



I really like #1 for the fuel saver, but yet it has better response and power over stock. Best part is if I want to kick it up a notch... . 3 mins. and I'm at whatever stetting I want. As far as wanting to be able to change on the fly... . Well all good things always take some time and 3 mins is short for the changes that you can get out of the Smarty.

 

[darkhorse]

I still say that if you cannot find a setting that you like with the Smarty... . then you may be a hard person to please. I really think that this Smarty is going to make most people happy and they will find a setting that they like.



I really like #1 for the fuel saver, but yet it has better response and power over stock. Best part is if I want to kick it up a notch... . 3 mins. and I'm at whatever stetting I want. As far as wanting to be able to change on the fly... . Well all good things always take some time and 3 mins is short for the changes that you can get out of the Smarty. [/QUOTE]



I think you put that rather well, Murle. I have to admire your self control at staying on stock & such for a full day. My truck isn't exactly stock any longer & I really prefer #9 for the "hair trigger" like throttle response. Being a gun smith, I'm sure you can appreciate the delicate feel of a finely set trigger. :-laf

 

[Murle]

I still say that if you cannot find a setting that you like with the Smarty... . then you may be a hard person to please. I really think that this Smarty is going to make most people happy and they will find a setting that they like.



I really like #1 for the fuel saver, but yet it has better response and power over stock. Best part is if I want to kick it up a notch... . 3 mins. and I'm at whatever stetting I want. As far as wanting to be able to change on the fly... . Well all good things always take some time and 3 mins is short for the changes that you can get out of the Smarty.

I think you put that rather well, Murle. I have to admire your self control at staying on stock & such for a full day. My truck isn't exactly stock any longer & I really prefer #9 for the "hair trigger" like throttle response. Being a gun smith, I'm sure you can appreciate the delicate feel of a finely set trigger. :-laf[/QUOTE]



You have to undestand Darkhorse... . I still have a 2001 with the full blown CaTHER in it also plus 275 injectors..... also it is only 20 miles round trip from work and back so..... I really don't have to endure the stock SW for that long of time.

 

[SSabick]

How are the HO trucks and SO trucks different? Or is there a difference. Will a HO truck see, and feel as big of a difference as a SO truck?

 

[Dieselnutz]

How is production going? When are the first units to be shipped?