Smarty, the new CaTCHER tool.

[Allnew2Me]

So it seems that timing is a questionable thing to have. In small amounts it is a benefit, better MPG, more HP. But as in most things, too much can cause trouble. So the question is of course, how much is too much? It seems that when under extreme loads that require extra fueling the timing boxes are not as useful or needed as just a boost fooler and fuel box. Is this because the timing alone does not allow the turbo to produce the boost needed for all that extra fuel? I have an Edge Comp (no tap yet) and it is only a timing box without the pump tapped, I spoke with Edge about this. They told me that with the pump tapped it is a timing advance and a fueling box and a boost fooler in stages depending upon where you have it set. The Smarty in fuel saver mode is a timing increase but is not to be used to tow for the above reasons. But in the other settings it does provide timing. So I can assume that timing is an advantage in small doses up to the point where the added fuel causes its own advance? Also, is timing advance less of an issue when driving around empty? I guess the RPMs increase enough to allow the designed timing curve to adjust so at higher speeds it is actually retarded? I am starting to see that our engines really have a fine balance point between all these issues depending on what we are willing to accept, power, heat, response, mileage. I am most concerned as I'm sure a lot of you are, with the negative effects that any of these recipes can have on durability, but in moderate doses I don't see that I have anything to worry about. I don't suppose that Marco would be willing to divulge all the details of his software, or that it would really matter too much, but it would be interesting to see the different values that different manufacturers use to achieve certain performance levels. I'm still very much learning and just thought I'd add a few thoughts.

 

[NoSeeUm]

Are you sure about that, retarding increases temps and reduces nox.

http://www.dodgeram.org/tech/dsl/FAQ/timing.htm

I am not positive about retarded timing (LOL still cracks me up ), but I am sure about combustion temperature.



Look at it this way, BHP in an engine is only a side effect from burning fuel if you are only concerned about emissions. Seems funny I know, but thats how the EPA looks at it.



As you increase combustion temperature you increase the percentage of NOx that is produced from a given amount of fuel. Unfortunately, as you lower the combustion temperature you reduce the usable power and the acceptable economy that is released from the fuel that you just burned. So there has to be a balance there.



If you want to get in still deeper, basically higher combustion temperatures produce more NOx and lower combustion temperatures produce more CO. So once again here comes a balance of NOx, CO and BHP.



If you are still interested in this BS, know that you can also reduce NOx by better pre-mixing of fuel and air prior to combustion. Keep in mind that it is only air and fuel vapor that burns. Hence, the emissions advantage of the Common Rail injector system. It has greater fuel atomization with its higher injection pressure.



Also check out the latest TDR magazine, and read about "Exhaust Note". The author talks about admitting a high N2 source in the presence of a SCR (Selective Catalyst Reducer) that converts NOx to N2 and H2O. This reduces NOx at the tailpipe, not at the exhaust manifold. You might think that you would get more lee way in engine NOx emissions? Probably not, emission limits just keep getting tighter and tighter.



I'm glad that I have my Smart(y) 2002.



Jim

 

[Leroy D]

My reason for getting the Smarty

I have been running the CaTCHER ECM for over a year and I really like the way that it performs. The combination of the CaTCHER software with Don's Mk1. 6 injectors and Dodgzilla turbo gives me the great feeling of knowing that when I hook to my 5th wheel I can go without feeling that I have an anchor tied to my truck. I had all this before I ever ordered my Smarty. So Why spend more money? What if I should have to subject my truck to an emission test some time in the future? Now I don't have to worry about the dreaded "emission test". We don't have it here yet but it could be some time in the near future. A lot of homework went onto this great little toy and you Marco and Bob have earned your reward for your services. Thank you

 

[Dieseldaddy]

Who Sells Smarty??

This controller sounds pretty freaking sweet!! Where can I order one from? Oo. Oo.

 

[Leroy D]

This controller sounds pretty freaking sweet!! Where can I order one from? Oo. Oo.

You can go to www.madselectronics.com or call Bob Wagner & Assoc. at 888-225-7637

 

[kglenn]

T.S.B.s

Ok guys, I think I will have to break down and get myself a Smarty but I do have a question for those in the know. One of my trucks is a 2001 auto. with TSB-18-024-00 (restore power in O. D. ) This made a big improvement when pulling. I know Smarty is suppose to have updated versions when you do go back to stock, but I would really like to know for sure that this is there. Thanks in advance.

 

[DLBurns]

Looking good!!

Dave and I just got back form a visit with DonS who was kind enough to take the time to show us his new Smarty. He is very pleased with it and showed us a little of the programing it has.



I have read some of the posts here on this thread and they ALL are very positive, what I would like to know is if any of you running the Smarty have had any problems at all with it. Little quirks that drive you nuts, basically anything!

Don't get me wrong, I am not fishing for problems. I know that Marco is a stand up guy ( he really helped me awhile back with an electrical gremlin that I had ) I am just curious in whether there is a down side to the Smarty.

( Don mentioned something about setting false over fueling codes ??)



Also, who is towing with the Smarty with injectors and an EZ?? I would really like to hear from you about your experiences while towing.



Anyhow, thanks Don for your time and Bob Wagner, you will be hearing from me soon.

Dave

 

[Hohn]

I am not positive about retarded timing (LOL still cracks me up ), but I am sure about combustion temperature.



Look at it this way, BHP in an engine is only a side effect from burning fuel if you are only concerned about emissions. Seems funny I know, but thats how the EPA looks at it.



As you increase combustion temperature you increase the percentage of NOx that is produced from a given amount of fuel. Unfortunately, as you lower the combustion temperature you reduce the usable power and the acceptable economy that is released from the fuel that you just burned. So there has to be a balance there.



If you want to get in still deeper, basically higher combustion temperatures produce more NOx and lower combustion temperatures produce more CO. So once again here comes a balance of NOx, CO and BHP.



If you are still interested in this BS, know that you can also reduce NOx by better pre-mixing of fuel and air prior to combustion. Keep in mind that it is only air and fuel vapor that burns. Hence, the emissions advantage of the Common Rail injector system. It has greater fuel atomization with its higher injection pressure.



Also check out the latest TDR magazine, and read about "Exhaust Note". The author talks about admitting a high N2 source in the presence of a SCR (Selective Catalyst Reducer) that converts NOx to N2 and H2O. This reduces NOx at the tailpipe, not at the exhaust manifold. You might think that you would get more lee way in engine NOx emissions? Probably not, emission limits just keep getting tighter and tighter.



I'm glad that I have my Smart(y) 2002.



Jim

100% correct.

 

[Bob Wagner]

dave just sell the ez it is not needed with the smarty. did don update your ecm with the smarty? so you tried it in your truck?



The only code that will set is the 0603 ecm out of range which does not effect performance.



shoot a pm to tdr member sixpack he has towed with his mach 1. 6's and smarty but its an 02 6speed.

 

[DLBurns]

dave just sell the ez it is not needed with the smarty. did don update your ecm with the smarty? so you tried it in your truck?



The only code that will set is the 0603 ecm out of range which does not effect performance.



shoot a pm to tdr member sixpack he has towed with his mach 1. 6's and smarty but its an 02 6speed.

Bob,

I understand the Smarty does not have a boost fooler, wouldn't I need to keep the EZ for that pupose?



I will PM Sixpack

Thanks

Dave

 

[DonS]

dave just sell the ez it is not needed with the smarty. did don update your ecm with the smarty? so you tried it in your truck?

No, I offered a couple of times, but Dave chickened out

He was afraid of what the "stock" program in the Smarty might do to his never-been-flashed stock ECM.

The only code that will set is the 0603 ecm out of range which does not effect performance.

I think it's actually 0602 "fueling calibration error" (expected with Catcher, to be ignored).

 

[DonS]

Bob,

I understand the Smarty does not have a boost fooler, wouldn't I need to keep the EZ for that pupose?

A Smarty-programmed ECM won't defuel on overboost, if that's what you're referring to. (I believe it's in this thread somewhere).

 

[Bob Wagner]

The smarty does NOT need an external boost fooler, Marco's done his homework

 

[DonS]

The smarty does NOT need an external boost fooler, Marco's done his homework

Just a boost controller, right?

 

[Bob Wagner]

any yes 0603 was a typo, sorry

 

[Mad Bomber]

This controller sounds pretty freaking sweet!! Where can I order one from? Oo. Oo.

After "TEST DRIVING" with a Smarty all I said was HOLY $### totaly unbelivable :--)

 

[Sixpack]

Towing with Smarty and 1.6's

Here are my impressions of towing with my setup.





http://www.nwbombers.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=21470

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

Still no updates as to next expected shipment of Smarty's to arrive or ship out?

 

[klaybus]

Smarty

Still no updates as to next expected shipment of Smarty's to arrive or ship out?

Gary,

You might PM Bob or give him a call if you haven't already. I believe that there have been a few that weren't on a list that have received a Smarty.



Clay







Wagner and Associates

toll free 888-225-7637

 

[Bob Wagner]

Gary, you are getting closer. I have another shipment set to arrive tomorrow