SouthBend 2001 Con FE...425 HP No Problem! :D

[KWIKKURT]

Tested my SouthBend Clutch atleast 20 different ways with my new Bombed HP... 425+

It is SWEET #ad
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. No slippage even when Power shifting at full throttle, Pulling 3rd gear holeshots or applying full throttle below 2,000 RPM. (I will update Sig later)with the PE Comp on 5 with DDIII's

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[Bigsaint]

Kurt, glad it's in and holding. How the heck did you get a PE comp. , I heard they are still in the R+D stage ? I'm about to try a TST Comp. adjustable with my truck, took me over an hour to get the ^%%$$@% wiring harness through the firewall, ran out of time and it started to rain, knew I should have bought a house with a BIG garage #ad
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Forgot to ask... you dyno'd 425HP at the wheels, if so, that's HUGE for a ETH. Any VP44 mods. ?

Scott W.

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[This message has been edited by Bigsaint (edited 05-21-2001). ]

 

[Bart Timothy]

The horse power reading KK is giving must be adjusted for the flywheel. His rwhp was in the 350 area and the run I saw was done on DDs dyno at MM last Friday. Edge was able to get a few Comps together for the event and KK's truck was the first ETH to try it. However, I thought he was running 275s at the time instaed of DD3s and maybe he's swapped out injectors since to get that hp reading. The Comp is still in development at this time. When finished it will be able to fuel BELOW stock levels for smoke control.

The best part of MM for me was finally getting the lowdown on the differences between the ETC and ETH VP44s. An ETC pump won't work on the ETH and vice versa. DD has tried it the ETH pump on the ETC. There are mechanical differences in the pumps.

Bully Dog brought a Ford and their Dodge to the dyno portions of MM. The Ford went over 500 hp and the Dodge was either 625 or 635 hp on a street driven 4X4, I can't remember the exact number. DD has a brand new 2001. 5 CTD auto with a 7100 pump, HX55, and 511 hp at the wheels. Cliffman broke into the 400 hp club with his ETH at the dyno runs. One Ford was over 600 hp.

 

[Bigsaint]

Thanks Bart, any idea what Cliff has done to his ETH to reach that magic 400HP at the wheels mark ?

Scott W.

 

[CCahill]

That comp box with fueling below stock down low, sounds way sweet... . I would love to stand on it without blocking out the sun... Talking off hard at a signal with out smoke is a very stealthy approach to smokin' somebody... . (pun intended) #ad


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[OO]

Saturday was injector time. It was dueling DD3 instalations in the parking garage. The bike cops put us off to the side but a couple people made it over to check out the speed wrenching. Don't know who finished first, Kurt or me but at least all my hose clamps were on #ad
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[Bart Timothy]

I believe Cliff is running DD3s, PE, EZ, 4" exhaust, 16 cm housing on a HX35. Can't remember what he's done to the air fliter. His dyno runs showed, as have mine, that the PE is only worth 25 hp with DD3's.

There's also a rummor going around that Silver States' dyno, which is where many of the MM dyno runs were done, is reporting a little high. This inforamtion came from DD, who did the dyno on KK's truck. I don't know how truthful it is.

There were a couple of torn apart VP44s at MM and we got to see the inner workings of it. The mechanical timing of the ETH unit is further advanced than the ETC. It has much higher fuel pressures and a lower volume of fuel delivery than the ETC (smaller plungers and shorter, steeper ramps). That's why the ETH responds so well to larger injectors - the higher pressures - probably 5 to 6000 psi more pressure than the ETC pump. Modifing them is going to be very costly because of the special machining which has to be done. Cost savings will have to come from large numbers being machined.

It appears running too high of lift pump pressures will wear out the vane pump inside the VP44 without some kind of mods done to it. The vanes are rubbing square against one of the inside walls of the pump housing. Too much fuel pressure makes them wear out faster. DD claims only a couple psi lift pump pressure is necessary for the VP44.

ATS is coming up with a new custom made high tech ball bearing turbo which will flow 50% more air and spool up faster than the HX35. $2500 for that baby.

 

[HVAC]

Way to go "Super Kurt"! #ad
You gave Peter(Southbend) quite a ride eh? #ad


Your co conspirator (Adam #2) and I just got home and he mentioned he had a ball jousting with you on the LV freeways #ad
I'm afraid you have caused an approximate 35 year depreciation in the longetivity of his auto transmission #ad

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[TomGolden]

Kurt,

Man, you give me hope #ad
I had talked with Aaron at Edge Products mid-last week about the new Comp PE box, and he wasn't very encouraging. He said he didn't expect to see anyone with an ETH motor make over 360 HP at the wheels, and I think I'd like to end up at or over the 400 HP level in mine. I am planning on getting the DD TTPM, which Aaron confirmed is just a slightly tweaked EZ box, and then one of the Hot PE's, but if the Comp PE will do the same job as both of those, and provide me a decent HP increase with my DD 3's, then I might have to wait a bit and go that route instead.

Glad to hear someone can indeed make 400+ HP with an ETH. Great job!

Tom

[edit:] Oh, yeah. I also got my South Bend FE clutch installed last Friday while you all were smoking Las Vegas off the map. only have a little over 200 miles on it so far, but LOVE IT!!

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[This message has been edited by TomGolden (edited 05-21-2001). ]

 

[South Bend Clutch]

I would like to add (not to pat myself on the back) that Bully Dog's run at over 600hp was with my clutch #ad
I guess every dog has his day. Peter #ad

 

[KWIKKURT]

BigSaint, I was standing there when The PE guys showed up. I won't tell you how much begging I had to do But it helped that I had a ETH. They (PE)ran out of time and did not get to test the Comp on a ETH. I missed the trip to see the Injector pumps as I was trying to get my hands on the Comp Box. It took the other PE guy (Bret's Partner?) and me maybe 15 or 20 min to install.

BigSaint,BartTimothy,
I did have the 275's and Power Edge Comp when I Dyno'd at DD. The RWHP was 359. 2 (which according to Bpine Calc's rounds up to 360 HP) #ad
and over 3,200 RPM it was still above 225 hp where it normally drops off the scale.
The RWTQ was 735. 6

P. S. I just locked my keys in the truck getting my Dyno Sheets. #ad


I just estimated the 425HP from many opinions of the fellow bombers. The DDIII's should be good for 65HP over the 275's. I did not get a chance to Dyno again. Does any know of a good Dyno in Phx or Tucson?? I am dying to get solid Dyno #'s...

CCahill'
Bret / PE said that they should have the defueling program done soon. And I think he said we could just upgrade our early Comp Boxes. The Comp box set on level 1 with the fueling set on low smokes very little even with DDIII's. I am not sure if it is OK but I have been changing to higher levels under power. It works great. I found that if you leave your finger on the button it does not kick in all the extra power until you lift your finger.

OO, LMAO

Didn't I mention that I was concerned with over boosting??? #ad


And I still want to know what you are hiding in your Intake Horn!! #ad


Bart I also heard that SS's dyno was reading high. I wish I had time and $$ to get my truck run on both. Especially now to see the actual #'s. .

The guys at DD sure took care of me and Big thanks to Lawrence who fixed my exhaust manifold bolts that had fallen out. ( for those of you who don't know there is a TSB for fixing this problem. )

HVAC, Adam II and me surely have a APB out on us as we were having a great time. I had Peter with me and I was trying to Slip his clutch. I even dropped the clutch at over 2500 and my truck just launched. The only thing I acomplished was to get Peter looking at buying New CTD trucks! I had some tire spin but I have found out that 265 Mich's with no tread left really hook up.

Tell Adam that I had my truck weighed today and it was 3,805 Kilos or 8,371 lbs . That was after I removed some stuff out of it when I got home. So I'm ready for a rematch. We ran atleast 20 times and it was a Tie every time. I have never seen two Completely different trucks so evenly matched. It would have been great at the track.

TomGolden, As stated above my Generic 2001 ETH turned a 359. 2 RWHP with the new PE Comp box and 275's. Brete was a little suprised that it pulled that high. I wonder if everything was set right on the dyno. Maybe they had adjusted it alittle for Bpine. #ad
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It is definately stronger with the DDIII's. Now I am concentrating on Lowering EGT's. !

Peter, which clutch was in Bully Dog's truck?? Have you ordered your CTD yet?

KwikKurt ---New Sig to come soon!!

 

[Bigsaint]

Thanks Kurt. A Pyscotty air system will definetly lower those egt's, along with a 4" exhaust and HX40, mine are holding stable at 1200 pre-t on the dyno and 1050-1100 at WOT on the street.

Scott W.

 

[KWIKKURT]

BigSaint. I am going to start on the EGT's with exhaust and turbo. I noticed that you turned 365hp with EZ and BullyDog III's. I thought and so did a few other people that 360hp with my 275's were a little high but the Edge Comp does make a big difference when turning up the extra fueling. That is the fuel added after the data port is maxed out. Then it adds thru the Pump wires. Installing the DDIII's made even more difference. I am very pleased with the power. #ad

 

[Bart Timothy]

Kurt, the cumulative power increases from adding injectors on an ETH with a fueling box don't add up the same as an ETC, which is what you're probably hearing the hp numbers for. I'm thinking you're probably in the 390 to 400 hp area. The Comp shouldn't be that much different than the combined use of the PE and EZ which some ETH owners are using.

 

[Brandon]

thanks bart for the breath of fresh air

eth is tough to get to the 400 horse mark for most simple people, myself included


how about pro-pain

he he he he he

we need lawrence pump mod to be spread around the country
ya buddy
later brandon
funny thing is jp and danelles truck are similar in mods ddIII and EZ and only go about 330 horse, sooooo where are all the other ponies coming from

 

[KWIKKURT]

Originally posted by Bart Timothy:
Kurt, the cumulative power increases from adding injectors on an ETH with a fueling box don't add up the same as an ETC, which is what you're probably hearing the hp numbers for. I'm thinking you're probably in the 390 to 400 hp area. The Comp shouldn't be that much different than the combined use of the PE and EZ which some ETH owners are using.

BartTimothy,

As I posted above Bret (PE) and a few others thought 359. 2 RWhp was alittle high for an ETH with 275rv's and a EZ Comp. They had not tested that combo yet. Was the dyno off? I only heard comments about the SS Dyno reading high. The only truck that I had time to watch was the one with DR. Performance stage II kit. It only produced around 205hp same as stock! I think DD and Bret installed some PE Ez products and his hp numbers climbed up to normal Bombed #'s. If the DD Dyno was off I haven't heard any comments from other TDR members that were on the Dyno before and after. The point I am getting at is the DDIII's for the ETH should add at least 40+ Hp according to DD as well as several other of the veteran Bombers.

What is the Exact Dynoed HP ?
380 HP or 425+ HP I don't really care. The power increase is very apparent after I added the ETH DDIII's. The truck cranks out the Torque #ad


I guess I should have posted 425hp + or -

If you read the POST TOPIC it is about my SouthBend Clutch. After much abuse Including Hole shots under heavy throttle, Power shifting etc. . all at over 8,371 lbs. . . MHO is the 2001 SB Con FE clutch will hold well over 425 HP.


Brandon, I hope you are breathing better.



[This message has been edited by KWIKKURT (edited 05-24-2001). ]

 

[Cliffman]

OK guys, here's the scoop on the dyno runs I did.

At Silver State my truck dynoed at 407. 1 With the PE on Hot #3 #ad


At Diesel Dynamics my truck dynoed at 395. 4 with the PE on Hot #3 #ad


The dyno runs at Silver State was done in 6th gear and the runs at Diesel Dynamics was in 5th gear. The guy running the dyno at SS told me that you get higher HP reading when you dyno in the OD gear. I was told by one of the guys hanging around the dyno at DD that DD's dyno is setup better than SS and that it compensates more accurately for outside temp and other variables.

I say we split the difference at 400 RWHP and call it good #ad
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I know one thing for sure. I had a really good time yaken and dyno’en with all you HP nuts. #ad
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I sure wish Lawrence at DD would hurry up and get that P-7100 on my ETH #ad



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[This message has been edited by Cliffman (edited 05-25-2001). ]

 

[Bigsaint]

I had the same experience on my dyno runs, Cliff. 5th gear seemed to not take advantage of the load put on by the dyno and I got my best run using 6th. Either way, nice numbers, good job !!!!

Scott W.

 

[BPINE]

Kurt seems to me as long as you round up all the #'s should be good. I dynoed at a 400. 2 after up rounding at SS and then with a little tweeking during the night I was able to mustar 420 no rounding at DD. Not bad for an old beet up California 12 valver. I am going to be installing the Piers Diesel Research Hybred turbo next week I will let you know how it goes. It should be a big help for us physco trailer pullers.

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[KWIKKURT]

Originally posted by BPINE:
I am going to be installing the Piers Diesel Research Hybred turbo next week I will let you know how it goes. It should be a big help for us physco trailer pullers.

Be Sure to "E" me about results... I don't seem to find the time for TDR lately.