Stanadyne Lubricity formula doesn't make sense?

[TSPowell]

Just purchased a case of 24 - 8oz bottles. Each bottle treats 15 gallons, which means 24bottles x 15gal = 360 total gallons treated/per case(192oz).



This is what confuses me.



You can purchase a case of 12 - 16oz bottles and each one treats 125 gallons for almost the EXACT same price, however 12bottles x 125gal = 1500 total gallons treated/per case(192oz).



There is exactly the same amount of additive per case(192oz).



Stanadyne even says "Special formulation ratio for 8 oz. application. "



Am I completely missing something. I feel like Im getting completely ripped off for purchasing the small 8oz "shots"! For almost the same price, its a 1140 gallon difference treated! What gives??

 

[rscurtis]

I know Stanadyne used to sell two different treatments, one for lubricity only and one for all year use. One was about twice the cost of the other. This may be the situation you're seeing here.

 

[rbattelle]

Looks like the usual volume discount to me. You're paying for the "convenience" of one-shot bottles that don't have to be portioned out with every tank - you merely "pour and go. "

Makes sense to me. Most of the industrial chemicals and lubricants I buy are sold this way - you pay less per volume (or mass) the larger you buy. If this hasn't been your experience until now, then I believe you just learned a very valuable lesson!

-Ryan

 

[TSPowell]

I know Stanadyne used to sell two different treatments, one for lubricity only and one for all year use. One was about twice the cost of the other. This may be the situation you're seeing here.

No, both of these are the Lubricity formula

 

[TSPowell]

Looks like the usual volume discount to me. You're paying for the "convenience" of one-shot bottles that don't have to be portioned out with every tank - you merely "pour and go. "



Makes sense to me. Most of the industrial chemicals and lubricants I buy are sold this way - you pay less per volume (or mass) the larger you buy. If this hasn't been your experience until now, then I believe you just learned a very valuable lesson!



-Ryan

No No, this is not a valuable lesson... . you can purchase this stuff in 8oz "shots", pints, pint cases, 1/2 gallons, 1/2 gallon cases, and pails and they all come out to 3-5 cents per gallon treated except the 8oz are 18 cents per gallon treated. Something isn't adding up right, or according to your volume "theory," it should be almost free for the 1/2 gallon cases and it isn't. It keeps coming back to this quote from Stanadyne "*Special formulation ratio for 8 oz. application. " They are doing something different with the 8oz ratio and it doesnt make sense. They dont really explain the difference on their web:

Lubricity Formula - Stanadyne

 

[TSPowell]

Take a look at the website from my above post and look at the gallons treated between the 8oz and 16oz. Thats what doesnt make sense. Theoretically if you use two 8oz bottles it would treat the same as one 16oz bottle..... BUT its not even close for the Lubricity formula. It works, if you are using the Performance formula though. Explain that.



Look at it with out thinking about the cost:

1 case of 8oz bottles = 192oz of addative, treats 360 gallons.

1 case of 16oz bottles = 192oz of addative, treats 1500 gallons.



Now do you see my point about it not adding up??

 

[Wingate]

So the smaller bottles are "watered down" fuel addative???

All the more reason to not buy any of that crap...

 

[HBarlow]

The consumer is not really supposed to read and analyze the printed word in the aftermarket fuel additive industry's claims. You're simply supposed to "believe. "

It's like religion. Just accept it and feel comforted in the myth that it helps your engine.

 

[TCDiesel]

Call the local or area refinery Chemist they will admittedly tell NOT to use fuel additives in most cases. Double of nothing = nothing.

 

[timroberts]

I use stanadadyne perf. jr. 8 oz. bottle treats 60 gallons. I started using when truck was 6 months old. Was having problem with smoke at start up in morning and raw diesel smell. 1 month about after starting to use have had no more smoke etc. Also had reflash twice from dealer that did nothing just my 2 cents. 146,000 miles and counting.

 

[MVenditti]

I have the performance formula 8oz and it does 30 gallons.

 

[AHofner]

"I started using when truck was 6 months old"



Additives will be the death of you son!



Sorry, just thought that was funny the way it was posted; didn't mean to pick on you.



Andrew

 

[rbattelle]

Look at it with out thinking about the cost:

1 case of 8oz bottles = 192oz of additive, treats 360 gallons.

1 case of 16oz bottles = 192oz of additive, treats 1500 gallons.



Now do you see my point about it not adding up??

Oh yeah! Duh! Something fishy going on here, perhaps.



I abandoned the 8oz. "shots" a couple years ago. I'm glad I did - seems like a rip! If it turns out Stanadyne is fleecing its customers I'm going to be really annoyed.



I'd suggest phoning Stanadyne. I've found them forthcoming in the past.



-Ryan

 

[TSPowell]

WOW! so many negative post regarding additives. Im still going to use them, even if its peace of mind. Especially with ULSD, there are obvious issues with lubricity.



Anyways, I called Stanadyne and spoke with an "additive specialist" It took him a long time to figure out what I was talking about and when he finally did, he tried skirting around it. He finally admitted that the 8oz lubricity bottles treat 1/4 of what the other lubricity bottles do. They formulated it for ease of use with VW tank sizes. He said its a pain to buy the big bottles and measure them out. I said not for the price rip off it isn't. So I asked why I have to pay more to ultimately treat A LOT less. He said they cant control the prices of them, thats up to the retailers... whatever.



So... . Buyer beware:

Stay away from the 8oz bottles of lubricity formula. Its an absolute rip off!

Purchase the pint size and divide it up, you will treat 3 time more for less $.



Here is the math:

It takes 16oz of the "8oz bottle reduced formula" to treat 30 gallons

It takes 4oz of the other bottle sizes to treat 30 gallons

 

[TimothyLong]

I buy Stanadyne by the 1/2 gallon and just measure out what I need when I fill up and it lasts longer. Now that I've read this thread, it's going to last even longer. TSPowell, thanks for doing the homework!!

 

[Mishkaya]

Here is the math:

It takes 16oz of the "8oz bottle reduced formula" to treat 30 gallons

It takes 4oz of the other bottle sizes to treat 30 gallons

I remember noticing the same thing about five years ago when I started using the stuff. I never bothered to call, but simply started buying the 1/2 gal jugs, and now the 5 gallon pails, it cost's considerably less for sure!

 

[TCDiesel]

If the manufacturer is that bad at Math HOW good can there product be... In MN the GAS has been 10% alcohol for 20+ years. . ISO-heet is still marketing their products 8oz per 30gals... ITS ALREADY 10% alcohol, you are just adding 8oz... NOW even by their own math if 8oz can treat 30gals,imagine what 3gals will do... ugh.

 

[Mishkaya]

If the manufacturer is that bad at Math HOW good can there product be... In MN the GAS has been 10% alcohol for 20+ years. . ISO-heet is still marketing their products 8oz per 30gals... ITS ALREADY 10% alcohol, you are just adding 8oz... NOW even by their own math if 8oz can treat 30gals,imagine what 3gals will do... ugh.

There is a difference though, the alcohol already in the gasoline is ethanol, and the alcohol in ISO Heet is isopropanol. Not quite the same thing actually...

 

[TCDiesel]

No. . but the marketing is (anti gas line-Freeze) I like Bud you like Miller both will get us drunk... Chris just check the history for Gas-line freeze (repair) for the shop. . records only go back 10 years. . 000000... both Ethanol and Alcohol ,ISOpropanol are absorbents. leave ISO in a metal container , surround by moisture!!!!!!!! it won't belong before you wish you didn't buy the rust creating product.