Stock 05 Failed Ca Smog

[macdaddy]

All True!!!!!!

The problem is that BAR needs to have their data base set up differently. They need it set up where when they scan the bar code on the registration form to reference the engine ID and not the VIN.

And I would like to know if the other engines out there with the same build date as mine are showing the "Fueling", and "Components" monitors "Ready".

Build date 08/24/04... . (Engine Build Date).

Mac

 

[p-Bar]

For anyone in So Cal the Easiest way is to just reg your truck in Needles Ca. It's Calif side Smog Exempt Trust me it work's I have used it for year's

Imperial county will do

 

[p-Bar]

The whole Ca smog system is skewed in another thread I posted that I had my smog done on my 04. 5 . I told the tech it was an 04. 5 and he said no it's a 04 by Ca. standards very funny I thought and 04's didn't need a cat so he didn't inspect for one. it passed with the Smarty installed . Go figure.....

 

[Regcabguy]

macdaddy's situation is unique. Only Dodge can assist him I believe.

 

[Bob4x4]

I think Bob is probably right, there are issues with the ECM updates that Chrysler had no idea about until all the emissions stuff came about. The sad part is they just MIGHT make you buy an new ECU becuase they can't figure out how to flash the old ones correctly. I sincerely hope you find an easy fix.



I refuse to move to or live in and area that smogs diesels over 9000 GVW or older than 1996. :-laf

It's not the ability to flash,but the legalities are in the way. The Referee won't budge.

After this issue came up I ck'd my 05 (april 05) all the monitors run fine.

The oem flashes take some time to go through all the testing and legal phases. It would be fairly easy to just update the software through an outside source but that could add more complications. We need to give the corporate machine to iron this out.

Mac has no problem stepping up and buying what ever is needed. The referee being involved already has added complexity to this issue

 

[cerberusiam]

It's not the ability to flash,but the legalities are in the way. The Referee won't budge.

What do you mean "legalities"? Saying its illegal for Dodge to flash the ECU so the monitors show correctly simply doesn't make sense. That is the only legality that I can think of that would apply because ultimately it is up to Dodge, or a deisgnated repair facility, to make the ECU's compliant. Where is the legal question in making the ECU's compliant?



On the other hand, from what you say the later ECU's are already compliant so it would follow th eearlier ones can be made so, IF the ECU's are capable. If the earlier ECU's ar enot capable then that would neccesitate and ECU swap and the ensuing fight who pays the cost of that.



THAT would be my biggest worry given the current economic environment, somebody NOT Dodge is gonna foot the bill.

 

[RustyJC]

To this outside observer who, admittedly, ain't got no dog in this fight. .



Once the immediate situation regarding this particular truck is dealt with, it appears to me that the debate about to ensue between Chrysler LLC and the State of California revolves around:



1. Did Dodge sell non-emissions-compliant trucks in the State of California, or



2. Do the State of California's current emissions regulations regarding smog testing inaccurately reflect the configuration of trucks legally sold into their state in the past?



I would imagine Chrysler LLC is much more concerned with the precedent that could be set regarding #1 above if they were to reflash or change out an ECU with the knowledge of the State of California than they are with the cost to rectify the stalemate on one truck.



JM2CW...



Rusty

 

[Bob4x4]

What do you mean "legalities"? Saying its illegal for Dodge to flash the ECU so the monitors show correctly simply doesn't make sense. That is the only legality that I can think of that would apply because ultimately it is up to Dodge, or a deisgnated repair facility, to make the ECU's compliant. Where is the legal question in making the ECU's compliant?



On the other hand, from what you say the later ECU's are already compliant so it would follow th eearlier ones can be made so, IF the ECU's are capable. If the earlier ECU's ar enot capable then that would neccesitate and ECU swap and the ensuing fight who pays the cost of that.



THAT would be my biggest worry given the current economic environment, somebody NOT Dodge is gonna foot the bill.

I should have been more clear,sorry. They are all supposed to be compliant. It seems from time to time a few trucks will have some glitch and do not fall into the norm

When I was talking about the legalities I should have said something about the requirements they have to meet before they are released. .



Macs truck has been repaired and smogged. His truck was one of those with a strange glitch,the referee was not much help,typical of the bureaucracy.

Mac can now go back to enjoying his truck and put an end to the stress of failing the bogus Cali testing. All his monitors were running just not showing,now they are running and showing Oo.

 

[macdaddy]

Woo Who!!!!!

I should have been more clear,sorry. They are all supposed to be compliant. It seems from time to time a few trucks will have some glitch and do not fall into the norm

When I was talking about the legalities I should have said something about the requirements they have to meet before they are released. .



Macs truck has been repaired and smogged. His truck was one of those with a strange glitch,the referee was not much help,typical of the bureaucracy.

Mac can now go back to enjoying his truck and put an end to the stress of failing the bogus Cali testing. All his monitors were running just not showing,now they are running and showing Oo.

Again a HUGE thanks goes out to Bob. I only wish his service manager would appreciate his knowledge of our diesel trucks. Bob has been in my pocket from the beginning, and is a very good personal friend.



I only wish I could say more. Hopefully my truck is the only one this issue.



Bob can take sole responsibility for correcting the problem.



Mac

 

[cerberusiam]

Bob can take sole responsibility for correcting the problem.



Mac

So how exactly did you resolve the issues and make the smog guys happy?

 

[macdaddy]

So how exactly did you resolve the issues and make the smog guys happy?

You've got a PM



Mac

 

[JJPage]

Again a HUGE thanks goes out to Bob. I only wish his service manager would appreciate his knowledge of our diesel trucks. Bob has been in my pocket from the beginning, and is a very good personal friend.



I only wish I could say more. Hopefully my truck is the only one this issue.



Bob can take sole responsibility for correcting the problem.



Mac

Glad you got it resolved macdaddy, and Kudos to Bob4x4 for his assistance to you.

 

[macdaddy]

Thanks JP.



This was a torn in my side that Bob removed.



Mac

 

[RMacneil]

After following this thread, I was really dreading getting my new truck smogged. But I did it today in Northern Cal and it took 5 minutes- smooth as silk. No problems at all. It just made $60 disappear. The guy said that it's hardly a test at all. No tailpipe sniff, no throttle blip, no under-hood visual. He just wanted to see a cat and I think he checked my monitors, but I can't be sure, because I couldn't see.
Now that my "vehicle transfer smog" is over, I'm done. My town doesn't have a smog requirement for registration yet. "YET" being a keyword. But I can see this becoming a real headache in the future.
Thanks for all the info.

 

[WoodChuck]

Just got mine done yesterday with all the mods in place. No problems.

 

[JGheen]

Just wanted to add to this thread as I just got my smog this past Friday and PASSED!! Woo Hoo!!

Well, 1st I must say I went to a local place by my house to give them a try since they were close by and had it out with the tech after he failed my cuz of my PAC brake exhaust brake and AFE air filter. I couldn't believe what this jerk off was telling me calling my exhaust brake and air filter "modifications" which I had printed proof they are fine to run. He told me I needed referee proof to clear the "mods. " What a bunch of crap, I mean, I even explained that some of these trucks come with the Jake Brake brand exhaust brake from the factory and he said he would fail any of those too if one came in. I immediately left and went to the place in town I was orignially going to go.

The place in town had reputable techs working there that knew this whole thing is a friggin' joke and got me in and out in 20 minutes. Funny because before they even looked at the truck they were laughing about the place I just went to & the guy giving me crap about the exhaust brake. Then took the truck in the back, I watched as they hooked up the computer to the in-cab ECM port, popped the hood, looked around, closed it, gave it a couple short revs, no smoke, charged me $40 and I was done! Didn't even look under the truck for the DPF which relieved me big time cuz I am running a 5" open exhaust! :-laf They gave me the certificate and sent me on my way! Woo Hoo! Now time to go put on the 6" stack in the bed I have been contemplating puttin on cuz of this smog crap! Guess I know where I'll be going in 2 years from now..... Oo.



Joe

 

[macdaddy]

JG... .

It would'nt be a bad idea to give the name of the jerk offs that failed you. That way any other members living near you will not make the same mistake by going to them.



And you right the whole diesel smoging issue is a typical California liberal money grab. PERIOD!!!!!!#@$%!



Mac

 

[JGheen]

Well, the shop that failed me was a small shop in Castaic called All Smog. The shop that passed me was the called the PACC on Cinema Dr. in Santa Clarita/Valencia across from the Mercedes dealership. There is another place right next to them called Simply Smog but I can't tell you if they would give me the same results as PACC... .....



Joe

 

[KKohagen]

Well, the shop that failed me was a small shop in Castaic called All Smog. The shop that passed me was the called the PACC on Cinema Dr. in Santa Clarita/Valencia across from the Mercedes dealership. There is another place right next to them called Simply Smog but I can't tell you if they would give me the same results as PACC... .....

Joe

Thanks for the information. When I renew my registration next year I will take my truck to PACC. I usually do all of the engine related work myself.
Thank you for sharing your Good and Bad experience with us.