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Hey fellas, just wanted to update. My special is on the truck! Man this thing is awesome!!! It spools as quick as my original super B. With the super B I was able to hit 45-47 peak psi and then settle at 44 psi, now with no other changes I hit 55-57 peak psi and then it settles in at 54 psi. Man my head gasket isnt going to last long with this thing on!! I guess I gotta keep my foot out of it until I get it fire-ringed. Any queshtions you guys got, feel free to ask!



It honestly feels like that I have around 60 (maybe more) extra hp after the swap.



Mikey Rector



P. S. I'll post pics soon
 
Hey MRector, I have an opportunity to get a BD Special for $600. It's used, but only has 2500 miles on it. Would this be a good buy? How does it spool compaired to stock?
 
Thanks for the update. It is good to hear someone is using one and likes it. Now we have another turbo option in the 64/?? range. Looking forward to more info.
 
Buck88 said:
Hey MRector, I have an opportunity to get a BD Special for $600. It's used, but only has 2500 miles on it. Would this be a good buy? How does it spool compaired to stock?





Compared to stock, spool-up on just about any aftermarket turbo is considered laggy, this one is no exception/kinda laggy until about 12psi then it buries the boost gauge!! If it is a true special, then yes 600 bucks is a great deal.



TJarecke--I believe it is a 66/14, I could be wrong though. Actual size is HUGE on the compressor side compared to my super B 62/14. All I know is-after I get my head fire-ringed I will be needing a larger boost gauge :-laf (mine only goes to 60).



Mike
 
Dave @ BD Power response to, "Is this turbo available to the public yet?

There was plenty of discussion about it before it was available but I haven't heard of anyone running one as of yet.

Can you discuss any of the technical aspects of the turbo so we have an idea of what to compare it to?"





reason we don’t like giving specifics on inducer sizes and turbine housing sizes, etc… although we will, is because giving just some of the specifics can make the Super-B program look generic and easily compared to other turbos on the market using “similar” set ups. The Super B’s engineering and components may be similar to other set ups but are carefully matched and fully tested to provide the broadest efficiency range in the industry.



There is a lot of research and engineering that goes into matching turbo components for the Super B program to insure they will be effective at producing an efficient charge of boost for a wide range of applications, rather than a few specific trucks. Quick spools up times while maintaining top end effectively as well as keeping EGT’s low at all boost and RPM ranges is very challenging and not easily achieved with most generic turbo charger(s) today.



Reading all the replies from a poll that I posted on this forum a while back called “What Turbo Are You Running” showed me the many different set ups guys were running on their Cummins motors. What I noticed right away was the inconsistency in the performance that was being reported, while one person was happy with a certain set up and a specific turbo(s) another person was unsatisfied with a different performance setup and the same turbo(s). The reason we are seeing so much inconsistency is that most of the turbo being sold on the market are designed and tested on a specific truck within a certain HP range. What you see on your truck may be completely different than what someone else gets on their truck with a different chip and injector set up. A lot of the threads were starting to get real technical with guys posting formulas on creating single and twin turbo setups, most of which the average end users could not to understand with out being a turbo engineer or having a good understanding of how complex turbo chargers can actually be. My advice to the average consumer is… leave the engineering to the engineers and keep it simple! Don’t spend thousands of dollars and hours of time following what one person created for their specific truck only to find it is not effective on your truck. Go with what is already proven, comes complete, and has a warranty and instructions!



A lot of engineering has gone into set up of the Super B program to insure we get a wide range of use out of them to accommodate all applications and be flexible enough to power a wide range of trucks and applications from racing, to towing, from stock HP to 1000HP.



We believe with the 4 different options the Super B Single, The Super B Special, The Super B Twins and the Super B Special Twins we will be able to cover every application from towing to racing or both!



So to answer your questions LOL



Inducer size 64mm

Compressor housing A/R . 55

Max flow 80lbs per minute (with extended fin tip design)
 
MRector said:
Compared to stock, spool-up on just about any aftermarket turbo is considered laggy, this one is no exception/kinda laggy until about 12psi then it buries the boost gauge!! If it is a true special, then yes 600 bucks is a great deal.



TJarecke--I believe it is a 66/14, I could be wrong though. Actual size is HUGE on the compressor side compared to my super B 62/14. All I know is-after I get my head fire-ringed I will be needing a larger boost gauge :-laf (mine only goes to 60).



Mike



I believe the regular super B is only a 58/12 not 100% positive on that but I thought I read it here a while back. I just replaced my super B with a Silver 62 from II and it spools the same as the B at lower rpm and around 1700-1800 blows the B away. With the smarty turned on it even out spools the little B all around it lights at about 1400-1500 and that is with just 90 hp injectors.
 
I believe that the Super B is smaller than 62/14 too, but that isn't too important right now. I am still interested in how your new turbo works. This could be good info for people who are shopping for a little bigger turbo.

Looking forward to pics.
 
I have done a little interstate driving with the special (100 miles). At cruising speed of 70 mph uphill,(rpms at 1950-2000) my egt's dropped from around 1000 to lower than 900, on the flats it was around 50 degrees cooler. It is VERY responsive at these speeds, I can go from cruising boost to full boost in a matter of 1. 5-2 seconds, which is alot like my super B at these conditions. On our little 1/4 mile test stretch near the shop, which is on a huge incline, I picked up about 7-8 mph over the super B and egt's never got above 1450, but..... the pyro was still gaining temps before I had to let out. I need to get this thing in front of a sled to really see how the turbo affects my egt. I will get pics up soon!



Mike
 
Box stock 370's. I didnt realize it wasnt in my sig. It looks like it will be Monday before I can get some pictures up.
 
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As I read this post I have one thought that I cannot seem to make sense of.



We all know boost does not equal HP and in some cases more boost equals less HP.



The BD Special is supposed to be larger than the Super B (which will all know is a smallish charger), yet the Special has a fair amount more boost with no other changes :confused:



I'm guessing it is from the very small . 55 turbine housing, which is much smaller than th Super B. I bet the drive pressure is though the roof with the Special. I just do not understand the reason for the very small exhaust housing with such a large compressor side? Spool up?
 
Good pics. Looks good. Looking forward to long term update.



I think you camera's date is a little off. . unless you have been testing it for a while now?



And not to pick apart you pics (because we do appreciate them) but like the others above have said replace that FRAM filer and get one that is approved by cummins before you have issues. Do a search and you will want to take it off.
 
The ONLY reason the Fram(cheaper, I am NOT made of $$$$) is on is because I am doing a 200-mile oil change from when I had the engine tore down due to the KDP, I usually use a k&n but that may not be on the "approved" list either(where can I find this list?). Cooker, I believe that the boost change is due to the super B's w/g is set at 40 psi, the special is set at 50 I believe, I just "outgrew" the super B. :D



Oh, and dates are off cause I just had put new batteries in camera.



Mike
 
MRector said:
I believe that the boost change is due to the super B's w/g is set at 40 psi, the special is set at 50 I believe, I just "outgrew" the super B. :D



That may be true. It still seems odd to me that they put such a small turbine housing on the turbo.
 
Cooker said:
That may be true. It still seems odd to me that they put such a small turbine housing on the turbo.

Read Dave's response again. The . 55 A/R refers to the compressor housing, not the turbine housing. Judging by the second picture, the turbine housing is at least a . 080 A/R.
 
mhuggler said:
Read Dave's response again. The . 55 A/R refers to the compressor housing, not the turbine housing. Judging by the second picture, the turbine housing is at least a . 080 A/R.



That makes more sense :D I just seen the 64mm and I guess I just assumed the . 55 A/R was referring to the turbine side. My mistake.
 
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