Surprising result worth noting (Turbo Air Guide)

[Duck]

OK, pulled a pretty good load (for me) up to the mountains this wekend. Seat of the pants impression is that it is no better than the last design. Still better than stock, and still better than with no silencer ring, in my opinion. But just as good as the last design.



Like I've said though, around town it is noticeably better than the last design. I'm loving it.



Lost count of how many Chevys pulling light loads I passed up the hills, which always makes you feel

 

[JHardwick]

Re: NEW TAG - Initial Impressions

Originally posted by Duck

I installed the new TAG over the weekend. The new design sets the TAG 1" further back than the old version did, and provides "laminar-like" (that's for you JHardwick ) air over the entire inlet.

I don't think I was the one who pointed out the difference between "laminar" and "laminated", although I do remember seeing the thread.



P. S. I do know the difference, hehe

 

[Pit Bull]

Re: dyno tested april 12 in meridian idaho

Originally posted by muddymess

tested on an 02





#7 steve staley. dodge 02 6 speed. 4 in exhaust. kand n air. tag. ez



285/677 tag and ez



290/681 ez only



225/521 stock



231/512 tag w/ no ez



there ya go

I'm just wondering how much it costs to increase the HP by 6 and decrease the torque by 9 ft. lbs. ? I understand it also provides some additional benefits, I guess it should not be judged only by the numbers. But what does it cost? Is it hard to install?

 

[Car_nut57]

Pit Bull,



This are results of the old style TAG we tested some time ago. It was much smaller than the current one we are testing and was held in place with the silencer ring installed backward. We did not see the results we had hoped with that first TAG.



The current TAG being tested and commented on in this thread uses the silencer ring installed in its factory configuration and the TAG material is inserted into the turbo inlet and stops against the snap ring for the silencer. This moves the honeycomb farther away from the compressor wheel and exposes much more area of the honeycomb for air flow. So far we are seeing much better results with this new TAG. Testing will continue to find an optimum configuration so the TAG may change again before it is offered for general sales.

 

[Duluth Diesel]

So is it worth buying one now or waiting to see more dyno results and/or wait for a better version of the TAG.

If the TAG was more to the tune of 50 or 60 bucks I'd snap one up right now.



And what's this High Performance Compressor Wheel that is mentioned on the TAG page? What does that add for power numbers and what does it take to install?

 

[Car_nut57]

Originally posted by Duluth Diesel

So is it worth buying one now or waiting to see more dyno results and/or wait for a better version of the TAG.

If the TAG was more to the tune of 50 or 60 bucks I'd snap one up right now.



And what's this High Performance Compressor Wheel that is mentioned on the TAG page? What does that add for power numbers and what does it take to install?

Wait just a little longer and I am sure we will see some dynos coming from some of the tester as well as impressions. Besides we are all out of the New TAGs currently, but do hope to have production parts available in November if things go well.



The high performance compressor wheel is a Ford part, you really don't want that for your Cummins.

 

[Car_nut57]

Great Numbers for the TAG

These are probably not the kind of numbers most of you have been waiting for, but they are impressive. The following are emission numbers on a 2003 Cummins with high output 6-speed.



Emissions numbers are in ppm.





Tests without TAG

test1 11. 7

test2 7. 0

test3 7. 7

Average 8. 8

Spread 4. 6



Tests with TAG

test1 5. 3

test2 5. 0

test3 4. 9

Average 5. 0

Spread 0. 4



This is a 45% average reduction in emissions. The guy taking the data says this is the lowest emissions he has ever seen on any diesel engine.

 

[DPKetchum]

Dyno results?Oo.

 

[bighammer]

Re: Great Numbers for the TAG

Originally posted by Car_nut57

These are probably not the kind of numbers most of you have been waiting for, but they are impressive. The following are emission numbers on a 2003 Cummins with high output 6-speed.



Emissions numbers are in ppm.





Tests without TAG

test1 11. 7

test2 7. 0

test3 7. 7

Average 8. 8

Spread 4. 6



Tests with TAG

test1 5. 3

test2 5. 0

test3 4. 9

Average 5. 0

Spread 0. 4



This is a 45% average reduction in emissions. The guy taking the data says this is the lowest emissions he has ever seen on any diesel engine.

THAT IS AWESOME!! Oo. Oo.



Obviously, I'm not a fan of smoke, but I like power. I think the future for diesel power needs positive stuff like this and not guys trying to blow lumps of coal from their stacks.

 

[dkok]

I have been testing the TAG and have had enough trips to make the following comparisons: I don't notice too much of a difference running empty except that I can hear the turbo better . But I really do notice a difference when I have a load on. I notice a smoother climb through each gear and I have been able to hold a higher gear longer on hills before downshifting than before I had the TAG. While I didn't notice a significant change in fuel mileage empty, I appear to be getting about 3 mpg better while towing than without the TAG.

 

[DPKetchum]

Dyno results!Oo.

 

[JHardwick]

DPKetchum,



Are you throwing a fit or riding a trotter, lol

 

[Car_nut57]

Dyno Results

Originally posted by DPKetchum

Dyno results?Oo.

The first dyno results are up on our site this morning http://www.dieselpowerproducts.com/tag



Please keep in mind not all aspects of the TAGs effects will show up on a dyno as the dyno only records hp and torque and only under accelerated conditions. It does not indicate steady load conditions, fuel delivery, turbo efficiency etc. which are areas that the TAG does make a noticeable change as indicated by the emissions test and seat of the pants feel.



We do plan to continue testing of other aspects of the TAG and will do our best to share information as it comes in.

 

[Car_nut57]

Originally posted by dkok

I have been testing the TAG and have had enough trips to make the following comparisons: I don't notice too much of a difference running empty except that I can hear the turbo better . But I really do notice a difference when I have a load on. I notice a smoother climb through each gear and I have been able to hold a higher gear longer on hills before downshifting than before I had the TAG. While I didn't notice a significant change in fuel mileage empty, I appear to be getting about 3 mph better while towing than without the TAG.

Your mileage observations are right in line with what others have reported. Many have said 0-1mpg mileage gain when empty and 2-4mpg increases when towing or loaded.

 

[Cooker]

Ok I think I am interested enough where I would like to try one of these, but I am not convinced that it may be worth the asking price (which, FTR, I do not think is an outrageous price but a bit steep for the benefits that I personally think I might be able to obtain from this product). If spool up is noticably better, smoke is down, and MPG's are up then I would be a happy camper.



Is there some sort of trial period or money back guarantee????

 

[bighammer]

Where did I miss the price?



Sounds like I ain't gona like it though.

 

[Dieselnut59]

Fixing to buy a new '03 tomorrow, but I want MORE smoke and of course more power. Maybe a combination of this gadget and a "hot box" to make the smoke and additional power?

BTW, I love "chunks of coal coming from the stacks"!

I'll leave that to the old '96 (with dual, appropriately named smokestacks)

I am looking for power, efficiency, reliability and at least a little smoke out of the new truck(HO/6-speed).

When yall figure out a price on this critter, someone please post it... I am sure I can rig up a way to make it work without having to use a silencer ring. First "BOMB" I plan is the AFE inlet/filter kit.

 

[Cooker]

The price is $129.



http://www.dieselpowerproducts.com/dodge

 

[rossiride]

Seems a little steep to me too, for what? A piece 2" piece of extruded Stainless(I hope or is it aluminum?) I realize we have to pay for R&D but not in the first 2 months of sales. Free upgrades if you change designs in the next couple months? Ohhhhh yeah, what about warranty after it fatigues and goes through my turbo?

 

[bighammer]

Originally posted by rossiride

Ohhhhh yeah, what about warranty after it fatigues and goes through my turbo?

It would not have any kind of stress on it so fatigue is not an issue.



It sounds like the little honeycomb is shaped to fit into the turbo inlet so it shouldn't move around. I would bet that process is a bit tricky. I think if you saw the all steps to make them, (I would love to) you would say "Oh that's why they costs that much. "



Of course I could be wrong again, but it doesn't look like it would be easy to make.