Survey of Speeders

[MrWinkey]

Dont think you wont get a ticket for 5 mph over. My wife just got one last January. She was going 5 mph over and got nailed on it. Not her fault the spedo on the car was messed up and we sold it not too long after that but still very annoying.



That said I almost always drive 5 over.



Oh well... .

 

[Not Guilty]

Who me speed????



My speed-o-meter is 10% off so 85ish times 110% is... a lot



Lucky tho. No tickets. Drive speed limit in civilized areas.

 

[Mike Ellis]

There are some pretty interesting responses on here, guess there aren't many that drive slow like I do. I think it might be genetic - My coaches always said I had deceptive speed, I was lot slower than I looked :-laf

 

[Wayno]

'Speed signs' are strictly advisories for those who are not 'operating a business on public property' (aka 'motorists').



This is what the Texas Transportation Code has to say on the matter:







So if one is not 'engaged in commerce' (look the word 'traffic' up in any law dictionary), then one is not 'breaking the law' by exceeding 'the posted speed limit' which only applies to the 'motor vehicles' (freight haulers and buses) referred to in the above cite.

Ya , you go ahead and tell that State Trooper ( or any other Law Officer ) that when you get stop for speeding and if your real lucky you will get stop three more times in a year with tickets and it will cost you 100 big ones to to get your DL renewed for the next three years and thats only if you dont get any more tickets and if you do it will cost you 25 more dollars for every ticket after that . Now if you have a CDL and you get stop two maybe three times with tickets in you Dodge you could and most likely will lose your CDL for 90 to 120 days and it will cost you 100 big ones to get it back for the next three years and the same goes for any more tickets , 25 more for each one after that . Oh yes , I was sent to a little class on this last Tuesday and got lots a papper work on this. Texas drivers are on a point system now . Tickets will be two or three points . You get six points you will be getting a letter from DPS telling you the good news and the letters will start going out at the end of September this year. Happy Trails .

 

[klenger]

Why is it that... the young folks, with most of their life still ahead of them, are the ones driving "to beat the band", and us "older than dirt members", who don't have all that much time left to get there, are driving at more moderate (slow) speeds? :-{}

 

[Koa Man]

Some of the speed limits in Hawaii are too high.

 

[Sojourner]

Ya , you go ahead and tell that State Trooper ( or any other Law Officer ) that when you get stop for speeding and if your real lucky you will get stop three more times in a year with tickets and it will cost you 100 big ones to to get your DL renewed for the next three years and thats only if you dont get any more tickets and if you do it will cost you 25 more dollars for every ticket after that . Now if you have a CDL and you get stop two maybe three times with tickets in you Dodge you could and most likely will lose your CDL for 90 to 120 days and it will cost you 100 big ones to get it back for the next three years and the same goes for any more tickets , 25 more for each one after that . Oh yes , I was sent to a little class on this last Tuesday and got lots a papper work on this. Texas drivers are on a point system now . Tickets will be two or three points . You get six points you will be getting a letter from DPS telling you the good news and the letters will start going out at the end of September this year. Happy Trails .

Wayno, apparently you've been suckered into the lies propagated by the liars with the corporate STATE OF TEXAS (a legal fiction and not a republican form of government which is guaranteed by the document known as 'the constitution'). I cited the specific law and you ignored the fact of the matter. You are probably also under the mistaken impression that a 'license' is required of 'all' motorists and that if you hold a 'clear' 'CERTIFICATE OF TITLE' that you actually outright own your truck. Nothing could be further from the truth. If you were to research the matters concerning 'travel' and 'highways' in Texas Jurisprudence (a set of law books covering all aspects of Texas law literally from A - Z) you would discover who is actually required to have a 'license' to 'operate' (as in 'operate a business on public property' - it has to do with "special and extraordinary use of the highways," as in 'commerce' [read: 'traffic']) and who is not. Although the TEXAS DPS issues a document called a 'DRIVER LICENSE,' the TEXAS COURT OF CRIMINAL APPEALS (the highest criminal court in TEXAS) has ruled in three different cases (all 'standing,' meaning still in effect) that "a license such as a 'driver license' is unknown to Texas law. " Regarding the ownership of your truck, if you were to look up section 501. 004 of the TEXAS TRANSPORTATION CODE you would find that if you have a TEXAS CERTIFICATE OF TITLE for your truck, then YOU don't own it - it is "owned by the state or a political subdivision of the state. " What you actually have is limited to 'beneficial use' aka 'a beneficial interest. ' This is the means the STATE OF TEXAS uses to 'impound' your automobile without a warrant or court order, it could not be done any other way, as there is a prohibition in the constitution on the taking of property without due process or just compensation.



I'm sure you've heard it before - ignorance of the law is no excuse.



The only reason I bring this up is because this poll is flawed and not all inclusive - it does not allow for the reponse of "I take responsibility for myself and my own actions and I do not operate in commerce (traffic) so therefore I travel at whatever velocity I find appropriately safe and prudent under the conditions, not being limited by roadside 'speed sign' advisories. " Many people make totally false assumptions which are based on illusions/delusions and are not even close to the reality of the situation. If you wish to live in a fantasy world because it *feels* 'safe' to you, then that's your choice. If you want to pay 'protection' money/extortion to the highest form of organized criminal enterprise, that's your choice - just don't be ******* on my leg and telling me it's raining.

 

[nickleinonen]

just don't be ******* on my leg and telling me it's raining.

:-laf:-laf:-laf:-laf:-laf

 

[Wayno]

Like I said Dawg the next time you get pulled over for speeding tell the State Trooper ( or any Law Officer ) all that BULL **** , he will enjoy it and I'm sure your Lawyer (or in your case it will be Lawyers cause you probably wont pull over cause you probably think your Dodge is so fast it will out run Motorola) will enjoy it to cause he will be sending you a big bill but then again if you got enough money you can get out of anything and you probably do , thats why you are driving a Dodge . Now as far as me ******* on your leg I would'nt waist my time but you will probably be doing a good job of that ( ******* on your leg ) yourself about five minuites after the spikes hit the ground.

 

[Cummins Pilot]

Unless I'm passing I don't break more than 5 over. I don't need to pay any higher insurance fees or tickets. And I get there not far behind the speeder and I don't have to look over my shoulder the whole time. If I want to haul but I jump in the airplane.



And anyone who drives trucks like ours over about 80mph for any length of time isn't very bright. If you haven't had a front tire blow out on a truck before you can't imagine how fast things happen. I had one let go at about 50 mph and if there wasn't 3 lanes + a wide shoulder I would have balled the truck up. This is especially true for trucks with oversized tires. A word to the wise, you may think you can handle a blow out, in reality the truck will go where it wants to. At that point your just along for the ride.

 

[Sojourner]

Apparently you just DGI Wayno, and I can only conclude that you don't want to 'get it. '



You have bought into a pack of lies. You must like being lied to. I've noticed that some people must enjoy being lied to and living a lie 'cause they continue to do so even after they have had the opportunity to become cognizant of the situation.

TEXAS CODE OF CRIMINAL PROCEDURE



Art. 43. 02. [786] [870] [848] Payable in money



All recognizances, bail bonds, and undertakings of any kind,

whereby a party becomes bound to pay money to the State, and all

fines and forfeitures of a pecuniary character, shall be collected

in the lawful money of the United States only.



Acts 1965, 59th Leg. , vol. 2, p. 317, ch. 722.

Constitution for the United States of America



Article I



Section. 10. No State shall... make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts;

In case you haven't figured it out by now (I take you are an adult), there is NO 'lawful money of the United States' in circulation. And there hasn't been any 'lawful money of the United States' in circulation since at least 1965 (arguably lawful money was taken from We the People in 1933).



As for bullies with badges, they don't concern me in the least. It is too easy to destroy their lives using their own system against them if they act like gangsters. They are so wrong in so many ways, and the money issue is just one of the many ways they are 'actors' engaged in criminal activity.



I suggest you get a grip on reality and live like a free man instead of a slave - unless that is what you prefer. If slavery is your personal preference, fine, just stand clear of those of us who are free and responsibile for ourselves and our own actions under the law.



Do you realize you're a collectivist???

 

[Wayno]

Damit , no one told me CF move to Texas and change his name to TD.

 

[Wayno]

slow down in construction zones please.



I swear the next person who flies by at 65 less than 2 feet from me will be getting a suprise through their side window... ... .

Damit we must be kin down the line , I think we have the same finger problem and hell you dont have to slow down in those construction zones just ask the Dawg those reduce speed limit signs and dubble fines are not enforceable in the Republic of Texas and your life is worth nothing ------- well------- to most of the traveling public anyway .

 

[Bill Lins]

'Speed signs' are strictly advisories for those who are not 'operating a business on public property' (aka 'motorists').



This is what the Texas Transportation Code has to say on the matter:







So if one is not 'engaged in commerce' (look the word 'traffic' up in any law dictionary), then one is not 'breaking the law' by exceeding 'the posted speed limit' which only applies to the 'motor vehicles' (freight haulers and buses) referred to in the above cite.

Not so, Dawg. If you'll read TTC Ch. 545, Subchapter H, Sections 351-363, you'll find the authority for setting speed limits on public roads and for posting speed limit signs. You'd do well to read ALL of the law, not just the parts you like.

 

[Bill Lins]

Regarding the ownership of your truck, if you were to look up section 501. 004 of the TEXAS TRANSPORTATION CODE you would find that if you have a TEXAS CERTIFICATE OF TITLE for your truck, then YOU don't own it - it is "owned by the state or a political subdivision of the state. "

Wrong again, Dawg. The section you are quoting applies ONLY to vehicles owned by the state or a political subdivision thereof.



"§ 501. 004. APPLICABILITY. (a) This chapter applies to

a motor vehicle owned by the state or a political subdivision of the

state. "

 

[Bill Lins]

You are probably also under the mistaken impression that a 'license' is required of 'all' motorists... Nothing could be further from the truth. Although the TEXAS DPS issues a document called a 'DRIVER LICENSE,' the TEXAS COURT OF CRIMINAL APPEALS (the highest criminal court in TEXAS) has ruled in three different cases (all 'standing,' meaning still in effect) that "a license such as a 'driver license' is unknown to Texas law. "

Dawg, you're 0 for 3.





"SUBCHAPTER B. GENERAL LICENSE REQUIREMENTS



§ 521. 021. LICENSE REQUIRED. A person, other than a

person expressly exempted under this chapter, may not operate a

motor vehicle on a highway in this state unless the person holds a

driver's license issued under this chapter.



Acts 1995, 74th Leg. , ch. 165, § 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1995. "



Dawg, you might think you ARE a lawyer, but it looks like you're gonna NEED one. Quit practicing law without a license & hang on to your day job.

 

[Sojourner]

Wrong again, Dawg. The section you are quoting applies ONLY to vehicles owned by the state or a political subdivision thereof.



"§ 501. 004. APPLICABILITY. (a) This chapter applies to

a motor vehicle owned by the state or a political subdivision of the

state. "

Bill Lins, obviously you don't have a scintilla of a clue as to what you are talking about. This section of the Texas Transportation Code is in plain English. There is a maxim of law that applies to this particular section and in fact ALL of Chapter 501: Expressio unius est exclusio alterius - The expression of one thing is the exclusion of the other.



There is absolutely NO provision in the Texas Transportation for the 'licensing and registration' of privately owned automobiles WHATSOEVER. I know this to be a fact as I have personal first hand experience and I am willing to attest to and affirm the truth in the form of an affidavit - I went 'round and 'round with TxDoT trying to get a 'Texas tag' for my '01 while retaining the original MANUFACTURER'S CERTIFICATE OF ORIGIN. The STATE OF TEXAS will not issue a 'Texas tag' (read: Texas license plate) without a TEXAS CERTIFICATE OF TITLE (see Chapter 502), and a TEXAS CERTIFICATE OF TITLE can NOT be obtained without 'delivering' (surrendering) the original MANUFACTURER'S CERTIFICATE OF ORIGIN along with the 'application for CERTIFICATE OF TITLE'. If you will give Chapter 501 a careful reading you will see that.



The MANUFACTURER'S CERTIFICATE OF ORIGIN (aka Manufacturer's Statement of Origin or 'MSO') is the original title of any automobile. Whoever holds the MSO owns the automobile. It is treasonous (unconstitutional) to tell other people to turn over their property to the state (for 'use by the state') without 'just compensation. ' Gangsters operate 'protection rackets' such as this scheme. Do you support organized crime???



Edited to add:



If the corporate STATE OF TEXAS were to give me 'just compensation' (as in 'replacement *value*, as in 'new' Ram with all option and new accessories/add-ons) in the form of 45,000US$ (Federal Commercial Paper) in exchange for the MSO to my '01, then I would run down and go 'register' it in a heartbeat. I'm not holding my breath for that to happen, though.

 

[Sojourner]

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Not so, Dawg. If you'll read TTC Ch. 545, Subchapter H, Sections 351-363, you'll find the authority for setting speed limits on public roads and for posting speed limit signs. You'd do well to read ALL of the law, not just the parts you like.

Frankly, I've not read that part of the code in a while. I only had to read the first few lines to be remined of whom it applies to. The operative word here is 'operator,' as in 'operating in commerce on public property' (read: TRANSPORTATION). Those engaged in TRANSPORTATION earn their livelihood by 'operating a business on the public roadways' (e. g. taxi driver, chauffeur, tow truck driver, bus driver, freight hauler, UPS driver, etc. ) If you would bother to go down to the law library and look up 'right to travel' in Texas Jursiprudence you would discover the truth of the matter. The STATE OF TEXAS is limited to 'regulating special and extraordinary use' of the roadways ONLY, as in regulating 'traffic,' which if you would go to the effort of looking the term 'traffic' up in a law dictionary you will see it strictly means 'commerce' in 'legal terms. '



I have NO contracts with the corporate STATE OF TEXAS and I do not earn my livelihood in TRANSPORTATION (i. e. 'operate a business on public property' or 'engage in TRAFFIC' [commerce]), therefore the TEXAS TRANSPORTATION CODE is not applicable to my activities. I have an unalienable right to travel and I exercise it daily. Hundreds of thousands very brave American men and women have sacrificed their time, their blood, their limbs, and their lives so that I may enjoy the blessings of Liberty and I will NOT dishonor them!

 

[Sojourner]

Dawg, you're 0 for 3.





"SUBCHAPTER B. GENERAL LICENSE REQUIREMENTS



§ 521. 021. LICENSE REQUIRED. A person, other than a

person expressly exempted under this chapter, may not operate a

motor vehicle on a highway in this state unless the person holds a

driver's license issued under this chapter.



Acts 1995, 74th Leg. , ch. 165, § 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1995. "



Dawg, you might think you ARE a lawyer, but it looks like you're gonna NEED one. Quit practicing law without a license & hang on to your day job.

When one has a question about any particular part of the code, the wisest thing to do is to go back to the original piece of legislation and find out what the original intent of the lege was. In this particular case that would be Chapter 173, page 249 of the 47th Texas Legislature, Regular Session. It is also helpful to understand the *legal* meanings of words and terms, if one is commited to knowing the truth of the matter.



'Person' means a creation of the state, and includes corporations. If you will take out that *identification card* most people call a 'driver license' you will see your name in ALL CAPITAL LETTERS. Under the Uniform Commercial Code (Texas adopted the UCC in the form of the Texas Business and Commerce Code, virtually word for word), YOUR NAME 'typed in all capital letters' is a conspicious term or clause. If you would bother to find a copy of the 5th or 6th edition of Black's Law Dictionary (the definition was made more ambiguous in the 7th ed. ), you would read under 'conspicious term or clause' that "a term or clause is conspicious when it is written in in boldface, italics, underlined, in contrasting colors, or typed in all capital letters. A clause or term is conspicious when it is so written that a reasonable person against whom it is to operate ought to have noticed it. " (emphasis added)



There is NO provision in the English language for the full capitalization of proper nouns. So what is going on here???



What you have when you see YOUR NAME 'typed in all capital letters' is a commercial term (under the UCC and the purpose of the UCC is to 'regulate' the use of Federal Commercial Paper since there is no lawful money in circulation and the nation is bankrupt) which 'notices' you that something is 'operating' 'against' you. Essentially YOUR NAME 'typed in all capital letters' is a creation of the state (a corporate entity aka 'strawman') based based upon your BIRTH CERTIFICATE. Do you need a BIRTH CERTIFICATE to know that you exist and live? I don't think so, but the state needs it to tie you down with the national public debt of the socialist national democracy known as UNITED STATES, a 'Federal corporation' (as in NOT a 'republic' as guaranteed by the constitution - please refer to 28 USC 3002(15)(A) for the meaning of UNITED STATES which is distinct from the United States of America).



Then there is the word 'operate,' as in 'operating a business on public property. '



Then there is the word 'motor vehicle' which is strictly a commercial term according to Title 18 US Code -

Motor vehicle. -



The term ''motor vehicle'' means every description of carriage or other contrivance propelled or drawn by mechanical power and used for commercial purposes on the highways in the transportation of passengers, passengers and property, or property or cargo. - 18 USC 31(a)(6)

And if you care to be bludgeoned some more with the facts of the matter, then I will cite the specific standing (as in not overturned) cases from the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals (the highest criminal court in the corporate STATE OF TEXAS) whereby the court ruled in three seperate cases that "a license such as a 'driver license' is unknown to Texas law" (because the actual law from the 47th Texas lege specifically refers to 'license' for *transportation* as in "operator's license, commercial operator's license, and chauffeur's license", the ONLY three licenses available under the law)



Bill Lins, do you like being lied to like Wayno apparently likes being lied to??? Do you realize that it appears you are a practicing collectivist??? Do you realize that by doing so you are dishonoring the sacrifices of hundreds of thousands of very brave American men and women, many of whom made the ultimate sacrifice, so that ALL Americans may enjoy the blessings of Liberty???



I must tell the two of you though, I really appreciate you both being anvils on which to strike my steel.

 

[Wayno]

Just what we need here on the TDR a wanna be CF that thinks he is a Lawyer or maybe a wanna be lawyer but then again we might never know cause he aint got enough sence to type out all of his profile but the again he is a rookie ---- join date 7/30/04 and living in central Texas -----probably one of those folks that live in Austin and you know what they are saying about those dogs in Austin these days Bill. HE!! he probably works for the State.