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dieseldude said:
amsoil is designed to reduce temps. why would it increase yours? when I put it in my truck I noticed a decrease.



One of the things that bothers me about Amsoil is the 4 ball wear test, a test by the way that was never intended to be used for Motor Oil testing.



Amsoil is still using a test from 1996 the newest test I have seen in a while is from 2000, that is 6 years ago for this one and 10 years ago for the other.



The other thing that bothers me is how wild the numbers are for the other brands of oil verse the Amsoil in these 4 ball wear tests.



It has been said that Coke and regular dish soap can produce a better 4 ball wear number then Amsoil, does that mean I should just put Coke or Dish soap in my Cummins engine?



The four ball wear test is not a good indicator of engine wear.
 
DPKetchum said:
www.bobistheoilguy.com Ok so the 4 ball wear test is a gimmick or ?BUT in many many discussions and on oil forums the Amsoil products are STILL rated as one of THE BEST oil products on the market in several countrys and spanning continents.



Here is very good section on the site: http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/oilshear.htm



This statement says it all: The interesting thing to note is that more and more oil companies are coming out with higher mileage motor oils with higher levels of the antiwear additives. Catch is, they are not API certified there fore can void engine warr's.
 
Wow I did not know this, according to this post Amsoil pays out about 22 to 24 claims a year agianst their oil.



(((I don't know all the details, but If I had been Amsoil I would have fought this one to the hilt on technical grounds and made some kind of warning to the dealer about checking oil levels.



My BIL says that Amsoil pays out about 22-24 claims a year and most are "Goodwill" claims in which they know its not their fault, but do it for business sake. I commend them in this regard.



Ignorant and ridiculous litigation and paying out for stupiditiy is part of doing business. )))



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dieseldude said:
Now just which Amsoil product meets ATF+4 specifications? And I mean just that: "meets the spec".



... AMSOIL ATF is recommended for transmission, hydraulic and other applications requiring any of the following specifications:...



Ummm, since chrysler HAS NOT RELEASED ATF+4 to the aftermarket, no ATF other than chrysler fluid would be approved... THIS STATEMENT INCLUDES AMSOIL. Just because Amsoil "recommends" their ATF to replace ATF+4, doesn't mean it is DC approved... the same holds true for Castrol's ATF... it too sports a "recommended" for ATF+4... but it is not approved by DC.



Now, I'm not saying this isn't better stuff... I agree with the statement about DC's "low grade synthetic" (remember, the low bidder built your truck). But you are taking a chance of voiding your warranty if they check... just keep that in mind. I changed everything out since the DC warranty is about worthless.



Just my $0. 02.



steved
 
steved said:
Ummm, since chrysler HAS NOT RELEASED ATF+4 to the aftermarket, no ATF other than chrysler fluid would be approved... THIS STATEMENT INCLUDES AMSOIL. Just because Amsoil "recommends" their ATF to replace ATF+4, doesn't mean it is DC approved... the same holds true for Castrol's ATF... it too sports a "recommended" for ATF+4... but it is not approved by DC.



Now, I'm not saying this isn't better stuff... I agree with the statement about DC's "low grade synthetic" (remember, the low bidder built your truck). But you are taking a chance of voiding your warranty if they check... just keep that in mind. I changed everything out since the DC warranty is about worthless.



Just my $0. 02.



steved



DC allows anyone to license ATF +4, they have since August of 2005, that is going on 7 months ago, so yes there are fluids out their that meet the ATF +4 specs today.



Redline C+ lists the DC number for ATF +4.
 
john3976 said:
DC allows anyone to license ATF +4, they have since August of 2005, that is going on 7 months ago, so yes there are fluids out their that meet the ATF +4 specs today.



Redline C+ lists the DC number for ATF +4.



I just spoke with an oil supplier last week about it... for my tcase, he stated that no one was allowed to make it as of yet.



So this is news to me.



steved
 
Here is the Press Release, DC has allowed it since September 1, 2005 according to this press release. Chrysler Group to License its ATF+4® Transmission Fluid - 8/16/2005







The Chrysler Group announced yesterday that, “in response to marketplace demands and evolving vehicle technology,” the company has established a licensing program for ATF+4® -- its advanced, synthetic automatic transmission fluid. Beginning September 1, 2005, the fluid will now be made available to retail outlets and through independent repair facilities for Chrysler, Jeep®, and Dodge vehicle automatic transmissions.





According to the press release, independent lubricant manufacturers and major oil companies will be able to apply for licenses to blend and package ATF+4®. “There will be two classifications of licensees, re-branders and blenders,” Rebecca Cox, Director of The Center for Quality Assurance, told ILMA. “Re-branders will purchase ATF+4® from approved blenders and package it in their own containers. Blenders will make the product and sell it directly to the re-branders or, if desired, to the marketplace. ” Cox noted that the licensing cost for re-branders is $5,000 per year. The licensing cost for blenders is $5,000 per year, plus an additional $1/gallon for every gallon sold.





Chrysler worked with the Lubrizol Corporation to develop the transmission fluid. "Lubrizol's additive package will be available for any ILMA member who is an approved blender licensee," Lubrizol's Mark Pringle, General Manager of North American sales, said. He added that any independent who doesn't have enough volume to be a blender licensee could buy finished lubricants from licensed blenders and apply as a re-brander.





All ATF+4® licensees will be required to be facility-accredited and will undergo periodic market sampling to ensure the ATF+4® produced is of the required quality. “The time required for accreditation depends on the response of the ILMA member,” Cox said. “Re-branders must send in a packaged product sample to The Center for Quality Assurance for testing. If the results are acceptable, the re-brander will submit a licensee application. The Center will conduct a site visit for each applicant to ensure product delivery verification, handling and process control for ATF+4®. ”





Cox added that re-branders must send their ATF+4® product packaged for testing with a label sample, to ensure the labeling requirements are met. She also noted that the accreditation process for blenders is “probably a more time-consuming process than for re-branders,” because licensee applicants will have to undergo testing for conformance to the exact performance requirements of ATF+4® as well as in-plant process control review and follow up friction testing of production batches for a set time period.





Cox, who congratulated ILMA on its recent ethics initiative, said that The Center for Quality Assurance will be testing licensees as least once a quarter, but more testing may be conducted based on volume manufactured.





“There is no limit to how many ATF+4® licenses can be approved,” Cox said. “The Center realizes that ILMA members have been waiting for a program such as this for quite a while, and will do all it can to encourage and speed licensing. The Center’s goal is to get the program out as quickly and smoothly as possible. ” Cox is currently working on final licensee procedures and once those are available, ILMA will post the information on its Web site.





“The licensing of ATF+4® has been on ILMA’s radar for some 30 months, so it was a pleasant surprise to see that Chrysler has finally delivered a licensing program that ILMA members can benefit from,” ILMA Executive Director Celeste M. Powers said. “I’m looking forward to hearing from the membership about the program and seeing the results for our independent blenders in the marketplace. ” ILMA and the Automotive Oil Change Association had filed separate complaints with the Federal Trade Commission in 2004 over Chrysler’s ATF+4® marketing practices.
 
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