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Hey guys, Been doing searches on synthetic diesel and can't find anything

but oil!! Does anybody remember any threads on it they could post. TIA



Why I ask, Marathon is putting it in stations around town (and other places)

and thinking about trying it. From what the article says, it sounds pretty good. :cool:



I'm going to go ahead and post the article, since I can't get a direct link.

Hope it ain't against the rules. :rolleyes:

Tell me what you think of this new diesel.

I wouldn't of posted it if I didn't think it was good article. (And the direct link thing)





Marathon testing synthetic diesel fuel in local trucks





By MIKE SOBCZYK



Staff Writer



A possible fuel of tomorrow is being tested today on the streets of Findlay.



For the past several weeks, a couple of Marathon Ashland Petroleum (MAP) transport trucks, operating out of the Lima terminal and running on a synthetic diesel fuel, have been delivering regular fuel to various retail locations, including some in Findlay.



Made from natural gas, the synthetic diesel fuel is being tested for fuel efficiency, emissions and engine wear.



Throughout the course of what likely will be a six-month evaluation, between 21,000 and 25,000 gallons of the synthetic fuel, produced using gas-to-liquids (GTL) technology, will be used.



The project is part of Marathon Oil's ongoing integrated gas strategy.



Paul Weeditz, a Marathon Oil spokesman in Houston, explained Tuesday that a key component of the company's integrated gas strategy is examining ways to commercialize "the enormous volume of natural gas worldwide. "



The synthetic diesel fuel powering the local transport trucks was produced at a $64 million synthetic fuels demonstration plant located near Tulsa, Okla.



This plant was built via a joint development agreement between Marathon Oil and Syntroleum. Since 1997, Marathon Oil has been working with Syntroleum to explore energy alternatives.



Production from the 100 barrels-per-day Catoosa GTL demonstration facility, which received about $11 million in U. S. Department of Energy construction funding, began in early 2004.



While GTL technology is not new, having first been employed in Germany in the 1930s and 1940s, it has gained new momentum in recent years.



Lary Kocher, Marathon's manager of gas utilization technology in Houston, said Tuesday that advantages of the clear, odorless synthetic diesel include that it contains zero sulfur, zero metals and zero aromatics.



He explained that Marathon, through more traditional methods, is already gearing up to meet the more stringent clean air standards which will come into play over the next few years, and the GTL technology being studied now is for the "decade down the road. "



However, he did note that, among other applications, this fuel could be used as a blending stock to comply with low-sulfur standards.



By 2006, the sulfur content of regular on-road diesel must not exceed 15 parts per million, down from the now permitted 500 parts per million.



But the greatest asset of the GTL technology lies in its ability to take stranded natural gas and convert it into high-value liquid fuels. Stranded natural gas is just that, natural gas which lies thousands of miles away from demand centers. Oftentimes, this remote natural gas is either left in the ground because there are no pipelines to ship the gas to market or else it is burned off in a process known as flaring.



However, by using a three-step process further developed by Syntroleum which incorporates the GTL technology, stranded natural gas may be put to a better use.



The first step in this process is the reforming step where the natural gas is reacted with oxygen or air to produce synthesis gas or syngas. At the Tulsa demonstration plant, air is used because it is safer.



Then this syngas is processed through a Fischer-Tropsch reactor which converts it to a waxy synthetic crude oil through a series of chemical reactions using a catalyst. This synthetic crude oil then is further refined into products such as diesel and naphtha.



Besides the ongoing local evaluation of the synthetic diesel fuel, since last summer the fuel also has been tested in the public bus system in Washington, D. C. and with National Park Service vehicles in Alaska to see how it performs under extreme heat and cold conditions. This testing is scheduled to conclude this summer.



As for the local transport truck evaluation, Rob Roy, MAP's manager of transport operations in Findlay, said Tuesday that each truck runs about 550 miles daily.



He said areas being studied include miles per gallon and engine wear. The performance of the two transport trucks running with the synthetic diesel fuel is being compared with two trucks not running the test.



Roy said the drivers of the synthetic diesel-fueled trucks are seeing more power out of the engines. "They are not using as much pedal,'' Roy said of the drivers' experience. He noted that the drivers being used in the test have extensive driving experience.



Also, Roy said, the drivers report that there's "no (diesel) smell to speak of. "



Asked about the market for the synthetic diesel fuel, the Marathon representatives explained that most other countries, including Europe, mostly use diesel fuel. The European truck market, for example, is diesel dominated.



Long term, it's hoped that if the demonstration project is deemed successful, larger commercial-grade plants could be built near natural gas reserves.



Contact staff writer Mike Sobczyk at: (419) 427 8421 -- email address removed --







Sorry its so long . Marc :eek:
 
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Sounds good mabe someone from the TDR magazine should look into it the premise of flaring always sounded wasteful to me. Thanks for the heads up.
 
Good news Marc, between making synthetic diesel out of natural gas and biodiesel from soybeans, America has a couple of real world viable alternative energy solutions. Now all we need to do is convince some of these bonehead politicians that diesel is not the enemy, especially here in the peoples republic of california :rolleyes:
 
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Good news Marc, between making synthetic diesel out of natural gas and biodiesel from soybeans, America has a couple of real world viable alternative energy solutions. Now all we need to do is convince some of these bonehead politicians that diesel is not the enemy, especially here in the peoples republic of california :rolleyes:

These bonehead politicans know that diesel is not the enemy, its called milk it for all you can. All boils down to money, that you and me have to fork out. Flaring "yes" a waste, just like diesel years ago it was waste junk, they use to throw that mess away. Also in the article did you catch decade down the road. I have though for years there are better alternative fuels, and better economic engines to be built, but that's like shooting themselves in the foot. Politics :rolleyes:



Thanks for the article Marc.



Tony
 
Thanks for the post. That's good news.



Natural gas isn't the only feedstock for F-T diesel fuel. The Mercury Meta One concept diesel-hybrid uses F-T fuel from biomass feedstock:



"... To minimize its production of carbon dioxide (CO2), a "greenhouse gas" that is a primary contributor to global warming, the Mercury Meta One concept is powered by a renewable fuel.



Produced through an association with BP, this synthetic bio-mass-sourced diesel fuel can be blended with conventional diesel fuel at up to 30 percent, with a corresponding reduction in lifecycle greenhouse gas emissions. Since the fuel comes from biological feedstocks that absorb CO2 and release oxygen during their growth, it is said to close the "carbon loop" because the vehicle's carbon emissions are offset by the carbon-negative fuel production.



The Fischer-Tropsch chemical process used to make this synthetic diesel fuel works with a range of bio-mass feedstocks – from grasses and woods to food crop residues and municipal solid waste. Unlike biodiesel, which is susceptible to water contamination and microbial growth in storage tanks, synthetic diesel has a purity level compatible with the highest-pressure diesel injection systems. It is also naturally sulfur-free... . "



Source
 
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There are various synthetic diesel out there, they just are not readily available to the public. Due to the fact they are not making it for diesel engines although with some testing, it should be possible. These oils like Syn Oil 800, Ener Chem sny oil, witch are derived from synthetic sources like tar sands in Fort McMurray are currently used for stimulation of conventional gas and oil wells. However, one could only assume a short period of time before you can buy it at a pump.
 
Interesting. My natural gas heating expense has more than doubled in the last couple years, as they claim there is a "shortage". I sure hope one of, or some combination of synthetic/alternate/renewable resources proves to be practical and commercially viable.
 
I agree my gas bill has too gone up in illinois. I think what I read was the natulal gas is not available to the brokers it is located in remote regions and not commercially available that's why they talk about buildings plants close to the source I think that's about it. Please correct me if I am confused :eek: :cool:
 
I was reading at Freds T. D. I Synthetic G. T. L Diesel fuel is available at the pump in S. Africa. The user says it's 70 Cetane too. :eek:
 
Has anybody given a thougt to forming a CO-OP within the membership of TDR. Pool our numbers together to work with one of the fuel companies for prefered pricing or something. Seems like there would be enough of us accross the country to create something like this. ;)
 
Yes that would be a good idea. I do that same sort of thing with my trucking compny I buy my fuel in bulk along with some other o/o and small companies and we can buy fuel like the big guys. I now pump $2. 06 fuel into my dodge and my semi's instead of the current pump price. It would be interesting to see what someone can come up with power in numbers but? Who would run the co-op? do the book keeping ect all the little business stuff? :eek:
 
Hey guys,

Take a look at Kevin's excellent article on page 164 of TDR#49 where he discusses synthetic diesel. In his article he mentions Sasol in South Africa, a world leader in the Fischer-Tropsch process of converting coal to diesel. Recently I've read where Sasol produces 150,000 barrels/day of systhetic diesel (roughly 40% of their needs) through this process and it's competitively priced with petroleum-based diesel over there! Here's where it gets interesting... Who are considered competitors to Sasol? You guessed it, Chevron, Occidental Petroleum, etc. Against these big guys, Sasol is a small player with only 9. 8 billion in revenue compared to 160 billion for Chevron, but they've got the jump on the synthetic diesel market. So with the United States sitting on huge coal reserves, and facing a crude oil shortage from our "friends" in the Persian Gulf, it would seem logical for major oil companies to invest in the Fischer-Tropsch solution in the future rather than new oil refineries wouldn't it? Would that explain why the oil companies are not investing in new crude oil refining facilities in the US. Additionally, I wouldn't be surprised to hear of a major oil company, (or China for that matter) making a gesture to buy Sasol, (SSL), Syntroleum (SYNM), or Headwaters (HW) all players in the coal to diesel process.
 
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Synthetic Diesel Fuel

As fuel prices are reaching new heights of obsurdity, looking for new ways to power our workhorses should be on everyones mind.

The synthetic diesel fuel option has not been talked about at great lenghts. Here are a few website that provide some enlightening on the topic.

1. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1998/10/981020073822.htm

2. http://www.syntroleum.com/



Most of us either have used or are thinking about using bio-diesel (if its available in your area). I have found this fuel does not adversely affect the performance of my Cummins (use about 2-5% soy mix).

It is up to us to keep pushing the availabilty of this fuel and push our state governments to give both bio and synthetic diesel fuel a substantial tax-break. This will increase the use of this alternative fuel, increase production output and help reduce our dependance on imported oil.
 
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