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Engine/Transmission (1994 - 1998) Syntorq No Longer Available?

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I am gathering all the fluids I need to change the diff, trans, and t-case this weekend. After doing some research and hearing some bad things about fluids other than Syntorq in the NV4500 I decided that was the way to go. I then began searching for an online vendor for the stuff which led me to quad4x4. However, they say that Syntorq is no longer available and they now only sell the Redline GL-4 stuff. I thought that stuff turned out to be bad for the synchros?

Mopar no longer has the part number in their system, though the GM part number still seems to work.

What fluid is safe to use?

There are only 71k miles on the trans right now and I really can't afford to rebuild it in the next 50k miles so I need to make it last.

I also saw the filter kit available on Geno's that adds about 8 oz of oil capacity to the trans. Good idea?

Is there a thread somewhere with tips for making the NV4500 last? How long can I expect it to last? My current "mods" are a BHAF and 4" exhaust. I am considering a 3k GSK and a mild fuel plate but I think I will be happy with about 275 HP. This truck is already so much faster than my 160 HP 94 12v that I am good with it as it is with 215 HP. The truck will likely never see a trailer of any kind and the only things in the bed might be some boxes of household good we need to move to storage.

Overall this truck and trans will have a very easy life, just a 70 mile round trip commute Monday through Friday.

Any suggestions on making it last and what fluid that is currently available to use would be greatly appreciated.
 
Call Goerend transmission,
They'd know for sure.

Edit: Their website's not working for me.

(563) 778-2719

Google says there open today 9-5....guess Pacific time
 
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From Issue 33 and I think it was republished in a later issue as well:
NV4500 LUBRICANT TESTS FOR HORSEPOWER DRAG

In Issues 30 and 31 we discussed lubricants for the New Venture 4500 5 speed transmission. Dodge recommends Castrol Syntorq. We found that Standard Transmission & Gear in Fort Worth, TX (800-STD-TRAN) offers a good price (about $60 with shipping) on a gallon of Syntorq (the required amount). Several Rammers have urged us to test other lubricants, especially synthetics with higher rated (e.g. GL-5) additive packages. For simplification of this issue, we have developed three initial considerations for testing: (1) lubricant horsepower drag; (2) lubricant temperature under different driving conditions; (3) shifting quality and life of the synchronizers, etc. in the transmission.

We recently dyno tested 5 lubricants for coastdown horsepower drag in the NV4500. [Thanks to Diesel Dynamics for dyno time, expert operation of the dyno, and donating one of the lubes we tested.] The Syntorq was Mopar PN 4874459. Several coastdown dyno runs were made with each lubricant, from 110 mph down to 90 mph. Power runs were made to warm each lubricant to 130 degrees F and 140 degrees F. Lubricants were drained using a 3/8 NPTdrain plug that had been installed in the side boss at the bottom right rear of the transmission main case. Residual lubricant was sucked from the transmission with a turkey baster that had a piece of clear plastic tubing on its tip. In that way, cross-contamination of lubricants was minimized.

Three name brand 75-90 synthetic gear lubes, GL5 or GL6, were tested and had noticeably more drag than Castrol Syntorq. One other lube, Torco Racing Transmission Fluid (RTF), had almost the same drag as Castrol. At most points on the curves that were checked, RTF had about 0.1 hp more drag than Castrol Syntorq. The RTF is rated 75, 80 and 85 weight, and GL-6. Torco said it does not have the "aggressive" additives that are hard on soft metals. They have tested it extensively in road racing with transmissions such as the Corvette 6 speed. They believe there won't be any problems with the brass, synchronizer liners, or bonding resin. The differences in drag among the lubricants were small but reproducible and represent one factor that may have significance in selecting a lubricant for your NV4500.

We have been testing this RTF in a Ram’s NV4500 for some weeks and it seems to perform fine with respect to shifting, noise, and temperature. However, if you choose any lube other than Castrol Syntorq 75-85 weight synthetic gear lube, we feel you need to monitor transmission vs. differential temperature for a while and under different conditions to ensure the lube keeps the transmission as cool as Castrol does. In fact, it is worthwhile to monitor the temperatures with Castrol as well so you can establish a meaningful baseline and because you can spot some problems (such as a fifth gear that is “cocking” on the mainshaft) by increased lubricant temperatures. Through the summer, we will evaluate the temperature and shifting properties of Torco RTF in this transmission, compared to the excellent baseline history of Syntorq.

In summary, then, we recommend that anyone who wants to try lubes other than Castrol use a temperature gauge with two senders, one in the transmission fill plug and one in the differential (get brass 3/4 NPT plugs and drill and tap for the 1/8 NPT sensor. Then you can monitor absolute temps and relative temps between the two. The latter is valuable to see if one lube makes the transmission run hotter than another lube. In other words, you would see if the transmission is at the same temp as the differential under different conditions, or the transmission is getting much hotter (not good). Castrol usually keeps the transmission temperature down. Depending again on what differential fluid you use, it may or may not be cool but still serves as a comparator because the temperatures of both vary with ambient temperature and load.

Results from the dyno tests, in friction (drag) horsepower, at 130 degrees F, are summarized below. At each temperature, six different miles-per-hour (mph) were selected arbitrarily and the results were printed out automatically on the graphs by the data system for those cursor positions.

MPH Syntorq Torco RTF 75/90 GL-6 75/90 GL-5+ 75/90 GL2-5
107.98 26.1 26.2 26.8 26.4 26.9
101.69 21.3 21.5 21.9 21.7 22.0
101.36 21.2 21.3 21.5 21.4 21.8
99.32 19.9 20.0 20.5 20.2 20.5
96.01 18.0 18.0 18.6 18.3 18.4
90.91 15.7 15.7 16.2 16.0 16.1


Results from the dyno tests, in friction (drag) horsepower, at 140 degrees F, are summarized below:

MPH Syntorq Torco RTF 75/90 GL-6 75/90 GL-5+ 75/90 GL2-5
107.22 25.1 25.2 25.6 25.5 25.4
102.29 21.5 21.7 21.7 21.8 21.8
98.94 19.5 19.5 19.8 19.9 19.8
94.73 17.2 17.3 17.5 17.5 17.5
93.70 16.7 16.7 17.0 17.1 17.0
91.91 16.0 15.9 16.1 16.0 16.3


What can we gather from the above data tables? None of the other lubricants were better than Castrol Syntorq for low horsepower drag. One other lubricant, Torco RTF, was specially formulated for transmission use. This lubricant was very close to Castrol in horsepower drag. If you are concerned about using a lubricant that is “only” GL-4 rated (and this rating is usually considered adequate for transmission gears), Torco RTF may turn out to perform very well, while giving a GL-6 protection package. Some folks who have added a lot of horsepower and torque feel that a GL-5 or GL-6 additive package is a good idea. Finally, if you prefer some other gear lubricant for whatever reason, try it but monitor transmission lubricant temperature as a minimum to verify its performance.
 
I should add that I have used Torco RTF in a variety of manual transmissions including NV4500 and NV5600 with excellent results and no adverse effects on brass synchros, etc.
 
Yes I saw that but it seemed more geared to performance trucks. I have a nearly bone stock truck. Also, hasn't it been agreed upon that the GL-5/6 additive packages contribute to accelerated synchro wear and failure?
 
Art,

Joe is the No. 1 and 2 guru here. He was making things run stronger and longer before the paint on his trucks cured after delivery.
 
Art,

Joe is the No. 1 and 2 guru here. He was making things run stronger and longer before the paint on his trucks cured after delivery.

I stand corrected. Apologies Joe....I had been led to believe that anything other than Syntorq would destroy the NV4500. I have had a hard time trying to figure ou t the correct answers to all my Cummins questions. There are so many conflicting answers, even on this site ( though to a far lesser degree than most others), as to what exactly the truth is. Coming from BMW forums where I could usually find everything I needed with just a few clicks it has been quite frustrating. I have limited my self to this forum as it seems to be the most knowledgeable and helpful of all the Dodge/Cummins forums I've browsed.
 
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GM still sells syntorq if the dealer doesn't have it. Back when I still had an NV4500 GM cost less. Standard Transmission stopped selling it years ago and started selling the Amsoil GL-1. I tried it, and wasn't impressed.
 
I have purchased syntorq from Blumenthal in Oklahoma city a couple of times and was very resonable priced. The last time I bought it was about a year or two ago so they probably still sell it if you call them.
 
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