Thank you ex-president Clinton

[RustyJC]

Yes, but if you look at Texas demographics (i. e. , the influx of immigrants, the high birth rate among the minorities, etc. ), one would think that the voting populace here would be becoming more liberal, not more conservative. That notwithstanding, the Texas Democratic party has gotten weaker, not stronger over the last 15-20 years. To my simple way of thinking, that can only mean that the Democratic party is drifting left faster than the voting populace is.



Rusty

 

[loncray]

Demographics only tell you who's living there, not who's voting. And I already said that the Democratic Party in Texas hasn't come up with a worthwhile candidate with a worthwhile message. In some areas, you're exactly right - the DNC is too liberal. In some areas, the GOP is more conservative than others. So what?

 

[RustyJC]

Originally posted by loncray

Demographics only tell you who's living there, not who's voting.

Ummm (scratching head)... OK. So I guess that means only moderates and conservatives vote. Gee, I guess the Texas Democrats problem isn't their message, it's just that they can't get out the vote. Maybe Clinton's welfare reform wasn't such a good idea - the Democratic voting base can't afford gasoline to get to the polls.

And I already said that the Democratic Party in Texas hasn't come up with a worthwhile candidate with a worthwhile message.

Finally, something we can agree upon.

In some areas, you're exactly right - the DNC is too liberal. In some areas, the GOP is more conservative than others. So what?

Well, as Tip O'Neill said, "All politics is local. " I guess regional variations in political philosophy between the parties will affect election results.



Rusty

 

[The patriot]

Loncray.....

Can you produce a list of the 29 jailed in the Reagan admin?

Just wondering... .....

Eric

 

[loncray]

Lessee how many I can come up with in a quick search -

Robert McFarlane (pardoned by GHW Bush)

John Poindexter (overturned on appeal)

Oliver North (overturned on appeal) - all pled guilty, but it was ruled they'd been given immunity to testify.

Elliott Abrams (pardoned by GHW Bush)

Caspar Weinberger (pardoned by GHW Bush before trial)

Lyn Nofziger (overturned on appeal)

William Casey (died - not sure he was convicted)

John Tower (died - also not sure he was convicted)

James Watt (given probation)

Richard Secord

Albert Hakim

Thomas G. Clines

Carl Channell

Richard Miller

Duane Clarridge (pardoned by GHW Bush before trial)

Alan Fiers Jr. pardoned by GHW Bush)

Joseph Fernandez (dismissed because evidence was classified)

Clair George (pardoned by GHW Bush)



There - 18 people, all involved in Iran Contra except Watt. The Reagan Administration broke the law and ran illegal operations that involved foreign governments. Bill Clinton got a hummer in the Oval Office. You tell me what's more egregious.

 

[The patriot]

Originally posted by loncray

Bill Clinton got a hummer in the Oval Office. You tell me what's more egregious.

Me thinks it's a little more than a hummer, what with people suddenly getting amnesia and "commiting suicide" under far than normal circumstances.

Did you read the truth or fiction link put up by another member?

Eric

 

[loncray]

Yes I did - seems to me they came firmly down on the side of 'fiction'.

By the way, did you notice that several people on the list of pardoned Iran-Contra figures are now in the current Bush Administration? Abrams and Poindexter at least. And people moan 'cause Marc Rich got pardoned? Sheesh!

Even presume for a moment that Bill Clinton got more than a hummer. His behavior hurt himself and his family. Reagan's people were screwing around on a grand scale - they were messing around with other governments as well as our own.

 

[NETim]

spending

When Reagan was Pres, he had to contend with a Democratically controlled Congress and as we all remember only Congress can authorize spending. The "deal" struck was that for every $1 in tax cuts, there would be $2 in spending reductions. Well, Tip O'Neil and George Mitchell didn't follow through. Reagan got the blame.



And to dredge up Clinton again, he did not submit a balanced budget... ever. When the Reps came on the scene in '94 only then did we see balanced budgets. All Clinton ever did was talk.



Now we have George W. He and Teddy Kennedy worked out the "Leave No Child Behind" education program. Massive new spending on education. What do you hear now? The Dems never miss an opportunity to berate the GOP "We aren't spending enough on education. " Or "The GOP is cutting spending on education!" And so it goes. It appears to this old country boy anyways that the Dems simply cannot spend too much tax payer money. It just isn't possible in their minds. Anything and everything deserves more Federal money. And if someone dares to mention "tax cuts" they are instantly vilified and Dems begin to shriek "How can we afford tax cuts?"



Of course, no one ever asks the tax payer if they can afford tax hikes.



The Democratic Party has long been known as the "Tax and Spend" party. They didn't get that reputation by accident. And the GOP? Well, they're just a bunch of rotten *******s friendly to big business, aren't they? They want business to thrive and that's a terrible, terrible thing to do.



And the Dems, well they love their labor unions and their campaign contributions. And we all know, labor unions provide jobs and create wealth. It's not the business owner who takes the risks who creates jobs, is it?



The GOP ain't perfect and they have apparently lost their way in my estimation, but they're still a damn sight better than the DNC.



I don't elect policitians to get me stuff from the Federal Government. I elect them to PROTECT me from the Federal government. None of them are living up to my expectations.



I just can't cozy up to a party that promises to make life "fair. " No one can do that. Anyone who believes that line is a fool.



Tim

 

[Scot]

Originally posted by loncray

And I already said that the Democratic Party in Texas hasn't come up with a worthwhile candidate with a worthwhile message.

I think you just stumbled on to why the Democrat party is failing all over the country. We do not want more Kennedys and Ron Red Dellums and Al Sharpton's and Nancy Pelosi's... .

 

[Champane Flight]

Clintons budget?

Bush keeps decreasing revenues and it would take near record 5-6% increases in GDP to off set the decreases in revenues. Now why things are going to get worse. State gov's are cutting back big time, that means decreasing state government spending and decreasing jobs. Government is the largest employee in most states. The last fed survey for employers said they do not see rehiring in the next year. So businesses are not hiring and the gov's are downsizing as such this has and will continue to be a jobless recoverly.

As I pointed out above, our last recovery was a jobless recovery. There's nor reason to expect this one to be different. Until growth takes hold and employers feel secure they'll be reluctant to hire. Nevertheless, unemployment stands at 5. 7% right now which is not too shabby under the circumstances.

If you look at the last ten years we have had the greatest growth when we have had decreasing deficits, stable oil prices, and controlled health care spending. All three of these things are going the wrong way. Let there be no mistake, the deficits will be 500 billion by 2005 unless we start being serious and stop this path of increased spending and decreased revenue.

All three of these things were going in the wrong direction during the last jobless recovery. They too will improve when the recovery takes hold.

One last thing, wasn't it 6 years ago that the GOP was MOCKING Clinton for not decreasing the deficit fast enough. Funny now I understand that the GOP says that short term deficits are OK even thro we all know they are not short term. What does that say.



It says they are politicians and they are always trying to knock the other party. It's standard policy for politicians to take credit for things they don't do, dismiss criticism for things that go wrong while they're in office and generally try to discredit the opposition.

 

[John]

Originally posted by Vaughn MacKenzie

Great post Eric. One little thing this individual forgot to thank Mr. Clinton for was that it's OK to cause any witnesses with any incriminating evidence against you to turn up dead or missing



Vaughn

I hear that! You know that SOB had at least some part in Vince Foster's suicide (? ... )



Thank God we finally got an honest president with moral integrity and more guts than the last loser that populated the White House!



God be with you President Bush!

 

[loncray]

Vince Foster

Ken Starr's office (who probably had the most to lose publicly) said that Vince Foster was a suicide. Are you calling Judge Starr a liar? They spent all that money - they couldn't find anything beyond Monica Lewinsky.

 

[John]

Absafrigginlutely!

I remember watching Vince Foster being interviewed by a news station just before the whole Whitewater mess was going to play out. When the media asked Vince what he was going to say, he replied, "The truth. " I guess you could say, the truth set Vince Foster free!



The "suicide" of Vinve Foster is a bigger conspiracy than the JFK assassination in my book! He was the ONLY person that had control of all the pieces of the Whitewater puzzle!



Vince seemed really upbeat and optimistic just prior to the weekend (just before the long Thanksgiving weekend if memory serves)... then he turns up dead a day later.



Suicide? Infriggindeed!

 

[John]

Re: VP's

Originally posted by loncray



I don't know anything about the UN telling Bush41 to stop before getting to Baghdad - that wasn't a UN operation, it was a carefully organized coalition of countries working under US control. Please, tell me what the UN did to stop the coalition operations before Saddam was captured or killed?

Bush41 wanted to stay the course and catch and/or kill Saddam in the Gulf War knowing it had to be however, he no longer had NATO backing to do so. As soon as the coalition forces drove Iraq out of Kuwait, NATO backing ended.



End of chapter 1.