Thank you TDR! Saved me from making a bad choice.

[Sticks]

Doesn't not matter if the tune is a max fuel turn up, or a gentle re-mapping of injection, duration and timing. You mess with the OEM program, Warranty is V O I D. At that point it won't matter if it throws a rod out the side because one of the cap bolts was not installed. You altered the OEM operating parameters.

Not saying don' tune. It's your money. I tuned, they tuned, most of us have all tweaked the performance especially on the 2nd and 3rd gens. We accept the fact that if anything goes wrong with the engine or drivetrain, we are not gonna get any help from the dealer even if it was a 53 block that was genetically handicapped for premature failure.

 

[Tuesdak]

On these VM engines, there is a ton of room for improvement

How does it feel paying good money to do R&D for an OEM automaker? They didn't get this engine right out of the gate and maybe they patched it up enough or not.

Getting the engine to pass diesel emissions, that are stricter than euro emissions, with worse quality fuel, is concern #1. You can read where the EPA stopped sales of this engine until the emissions were "corrected" and that resulted in driveability problems. A good portion of your window sticker price went for these emissions R&D and equipment. You can't sell a engine that doesn't meet emissions driveability be dammed.

With the way the Green New Deal people are going and the EPA crackdowns ... I suggest you go get something that you like driving that doesn't need a tune. If there are any places you can even get a tune in the near future. The default answer of "tune it" is becoming part of the past.

As a side note IMO the 2020 6.7 HO has less pedal lag than my 2018 6.7 HO. But this isn't concern #1 to FCA.

Yeah, all while Communist China lights a tire pile on fire to start a tire recycling process. But no... we can't do anything about that: we can do something about tuners and other things in the USA.

 

[SnoKing]

How does it feel paying good money to do R&D for an OEM automaker? They didn't get this engine right out of the gate and maybe they patched it up enough or not.

Getting the engine to pass diesel emissions, that are stricter than euro emissions, with worse quality fuel, is concern #1. You can read where the EPA stopped sales of this engine until the emissions were "corrected" and that resulted in driveability problems. A good portion of your window sticker price went for these emissions R&D and equipment. You can't sell a engine that doesn't meet emissions driveability be dammed.

With the way the Green New Deal people are going and the EPA crackdowns ... I suggest you go get something that you like driving that doesn't need a tune. If there are any places you can even get a tune in the near future. The default answer of "tune it" is becoming part of the past.

As a side note IMO the 2020 6.7 HO has less pedal lag than my 2018 6.7 HO. But this isn't concern #1 to FCA.

Yeah, all while Communist China lights a tire pile on fire to start a tire recycling process. But no... we can't do anything about that: we can do something about tuners and other things in the USA.

Like I have posted in the past, the EPA has been in our son wholesale exhaust business auditing their book for all purchases and sales going back many years. He was smart enough to steer the company away from handling anything related to deleting. He says when they are done at his level they are going to move to retail shops looking for delete work. The step after that he says to to go after the consumers. They have over the last several years become very much going after deletes.

 

[DonFitzwater]

How does it feel paying good money to do R&D for an OEM automaker? They didn't get this engine right out of the gate and maybe they patched it up enough or not.

Getting the engine to pass diesel emissions, that are stricter than euro emissions, with worse quality fuel, is concern #1. You can read where the EPA stopped sales of this engine until the emissions were "corrected" and that resulted in driveability problems. A good portion of your window sticker price went for these emissions R&D and equipment. You can't sell a engine that doesn't meet emissions driveability be dammed.

With the way the Green New Deal people are going and the EPA crackdowns ... I suggest you go get something that you like driving that doesn't need a tune. If there are any places you can even get a tune in the near future. The default answer of "tune it" is becoming part of the past.

As a side note IMO the 2020 6.7 HO has less pedal lag than my 2018 6.7 HO. But this isn't concern #1 to FCA.

Yeah, all while Communist China lights a tire pile on fire to start a tire recycling process. But no... we can't do anything about that: we can do something about tuners and other things in the USA.

What you may not know is that Green Diesel has paid for EPA certification of their tunes. The latest generation of ecodiesel will have tuning available this summer from Green Diesel.

 

[CToney]

My 2017 Ecodiesel hasn’t been back to the dealer since it was new. 100,000 miles on it now. I don’t tow with it. It’s my car. There’s always something in the box though. Hopefully it can remain reliable. It’s needed some ball joints and rear brakes.

 

[Blue Mule]

Took advantage of the crazy used pricing and turned in my Ram lease early. $39,900 two winters ago, dealer gave me $44,750 trade-in. Ordered a Jeep Gladiator EcoDiesel at 6% under invoice pricing.

Took 3 weeks for the Jeep pickup to be built and delivered to the dealership. I drove from KY to TN to pick it up. Got 27 MPG in the Ram on the way there. Got 33 MPG in the Jeep on the way back. That's with the same engine, same trans, and worse aerodynamics in the Jeep.

The Jeep has NONE of the dead pedal and lag that the Ram had, even after doing 3 software updates on the Ram at the local dealership. The Jeep also feels stronger, despite having similar curb weight but being rated 38 lb/ft lower. Obviously the Jeep and Ram guys need to share notes.

I towed my 8.5x24' enclosed trailer totally loaded down from KY to IN on a camping/fourwheeling trip in June. Saw 12 MPG hand calculated. Cruised in 7th or 8th gear most of the time. Handled well and felt very similar to the Ram while towing.

I do love that the Jeep pickup has true manual shifting, unlike the Ram pickup where you can only "lock out" gears from the top-down. I also like that the Jeep uses ESS to save fuel at red lights, traffic jams, fast food drive thrus, etc. It's also much easier to park, fits my garage better, and is generally more fun overall. I get compliments and conversations every where I go from people wanting to know about it.

The added weight of the EcoDiesel, combined with the typical additional skid plating and armor on the Jeep, means that my payload is lower at 1,221 lbs. But that's still very respectable for a nearly fully loaded 1/2 ton truck. My FCA cert of origin shows "1/2 ton" and "6,350 GVWR" so it's a bit of a decrease from the Ram, but still handles what I need to do with the truck just fine.

18,000 miles on the Ram, zero issues other than the very common timing cover oil leak which was fixed under warranty and never leaked again. Hopefully the Jeep with the same powertrain will be great long term as I plan to keep it for years. The Gen 3 engine is a marked improvement.

 

[DonFitzwater]

Took advantage of the crazy used pricing and turned in my Ram lease early. $39,900 two winters ago, dealer gave me $44,750 trade-in. Ordered a Jeep Gladiator EcoDiesel at 6% under invoice pricing.

Took 3 weeks for the Jeep pickup to be built and delivered to the dealership. I drove from KY to TN to pick it up. Got 27 MPG in the Ram on the way there. Got 33 MPG in the Jeep on the way back. That's with the same engine, same trans, and worse aerodynamics in the Jeep.

The Jeep has NONE of the dead pedal and lag that the Ram had, even after doing 3 software updates on the Ram at the local dealership. The Jeep also feels stronger, despite having similar curb weight but being rated 38 lb/ft lower. Obviously the Jeep and Ram guys need to share notes.

I towed my 8.5x24' enclosed trailer totally loaded down from KY to IN on a camping/fourwheeling trip in June. Saw 12 MPG hand calculated. Cruised in 7th or 8th gear most of the time. Handled well and felt very similar to the Ram while towing.

I do love that the Jeep pickup has true manual shifting, unlike the Ram pickup where you can only "lock out" gears from the top-down. I also like that the Jeep uses ESS to save fuel at red lights, traffic jams, fast food drive thrus, etc. It's also much easier to park, fits my garage better, and is generally more fun overall. I get compliments and conversations every where I go from people wanting to know about it.

The added weight of the EcoDiesel, combined with the typical additional skid plating and armor on the Jeep, means that my payload is lower at 1,221 lbs. But that's still very respectable for a nearly fully loaded 1/2 ton truck. My FCA cert of origin shows "1/2 ton" and "6,350 GVWR" so it's a bit of a decrease from the Ram, but still handles what I need to do with the truck just fine.

18,000 miles on the Ram, zero issues other than the very common timing cover oil leak which was fixed under warranty and never leaked again. Hopefully the Jeep with the same powertrain will be great long term as I plan to keep it for years. The Gen 3 engine is a marked improvement.

I would have purchased a Gladiator as well but the wife hates the look of them. I think they are fantastic!

 

[Blue Mule]

I would have purchased a Gladiator as well but the wife hates the look of them. I think they are fantastic!

Stock they are ugly. It's amazing what a decent set of tires will do on these trucks. Completely changes the entire appearance and proportions.

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