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Like most everyone else I have tried different air filters: stock, K&N (OEM relacement), Amsoil and Scotty. It wasn't curiosity that got me started; rather it was oil ysis that reported unusually high levels of silicon. Soon as I got that report out went the original air cleaner and in went the OEM K&N. Some time later another oil ysis and yes, silicon again. Out went the K&N and in went the Amsoil.

After that, things went from bad to worse. For those of you that don't know, the Amsoil filter is saturated with oil and in no time I had oil all over the intake pipe, the turbo and even the intercooler. The Amsoil filter went straight into the trash. Worst mistake I ever made. Please, don't ever talk to me about Amsoil air filters.

Needless to say, I was getting a little concerned. Cleaned up all the mess from the Amsoil fiasco and then followed Scotty's suggestion: installed a K&N RE-0880 conical filter and a K&N Air Force Pre Cleaner (25-0880). BTW the Pre-Cleaner is a red foam filter wrap the fits around the K&N filter and is said to stop 90% of the dirt while causing a 2% flow restriction.

That was 2500 miles ago. Several days ago I decided it was time to inspect the intake system and so I removed the filter. I was a little nervous because the Pre-Cleaner was now brown from dirt. When I removed the filter I saw that the intake pipe and turbo were ABSOLUTELY SPOTLESS. No dust or oil anywhere. I was elated!

For me, this experience lays to rest two comments that continually appear in this forum regarding K&N filters: (1) They don't filter out dirt. Nonesense; they do! I'm convinced the factory air box is the problem in our trucks. No matter how hard you try, dirt will likely get AROUND any air cleaner you install. Greasing the perimiter is a valiant attempt to cure the problem, but the odds are stacked against success. (2) K&N bleeds oil into the intake. They do not. With the factory oiled RE-0880, there was no oil seepage at all. It seems the problem arises when the K&N is cleaned and re-oiled. With the best of intentions, people (like myself) put too much oil on the filter. That's when problems occur. The beauty of Scotty's system is that it leaves the factory K&N intact and makes the Pre-Cleaner the maintenance item. As a result, there is no problem with too much oil.

My experience teaches me this: consider replacing the factory air box because its design is inherently flawed. Replace it with a system that prevents air from passing around the filter such as Scotty's. I know of no other method that will assure that no dust will find its way into the engine. I know this from first hand experience and I can't thank Scotty enough for designing this filtration system.

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'94 SLT 2WD, 5 Spd. , TST(250/635), 215 HP Injectors, 3. 54, Synthetics, By-Pass, Gauges, Scotty K&N, Horton, 4" Exhaust, Prime-Loc, mins Chrome Kit, Cat Gut, PIAA's, 255x85Rx16's and copious amounts of 12v Pride.
 
EZ94:

You are the first that I have heard of with the problem of oil getting into the intake and none the less all the way to the inter cooler. I am an Amsoil dealer and have had an Amsoil air filter on my truck since the truck had about 5k miles (now has 52k), and I have never had any problems even closely related to what you are implying. I am not so sure that the Amsoil air filter works as well as the Scotty or not. I am not trying to start WWIII here I just think that maybe Amsoil is not all to blame here.

1. Was the filter oiled from the factory or was it was it cleaned and re-oiled?

2. Was the correct side of the filter installed towards the turbo and air inlet?

3. If it is possible could you post a copy of your analysis online and let some other people view it?

I for one would be very interested in it since all of the analysis's that I have had have never implied anything in regards to silicone (I do know that silicone is in direct corelation with dirt or dust). I am a firm believer in all of the Amsoil products, But I also believe that as long as there are humans involved that there are bound to be mistakes. Like I said I am not trying to start WWIII but if this is true maybe Amsoil should be made aware of the problem

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RamnProwler:

Thanks for your comments. I do not take offense at anything you say. Believe it or not, I'm an Amsoil dealer. I became one because I believe in their products and use them throughout the truck... but not their air cleaner.

FYI, the Amsoil air cleaner was installed new, right out of the box right side up. I did not re-oil it.

Not long ago, I installed a new set of injectors in my truck. To do so, I had to remove the intake manifold and to do that I had to remove the hose from the intercooler to the intake manifold. What I found was oil in that hose and in the bottom of the intercooler. I am still upset that Amsoil saw fit to saturate their air cleaner with so much oil because now I have to remove it from the intercooler. I don't think they did this intentionally. I believe in their products and I have one their air cleaners in our new Yukon. I just think the Diesels pull to much air and the filters come with too much oil and that's how the problem occured.

I do have access to a scanner. Perhaps I can figure out how to use it! But for now I can tell you the first silicon level was 33ppm and the second was 64ppm. Normal is no more than 25ppm.

I posted my experience so that others could share theirs. Don't hesitate to comment further; nothing you say offends me.

[This message has been edited by EZ94 (edited 03-26-2000). ]
 
I NEVER trust the factory oiling on ANY guaze or foam filter, it gets a washing before first use and then a LIGHT coating of oil. The filter should be checked for oil and dirt condition approximately every 10,000 miles. #ad
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The RE0880, as I understand it is not intended as a replacement for any vehicle. Rather, it is a generic size for any vehicle, specifically racing.
Jack
PS that is what the catalog lists it as.
 
I was hoping to get one at my local No American Parts Available (NAPA), but they said that the K&N filters they carry have NAPA part numbers and I would need an application for the RE-0880 to cross reference it to. might have to get in line somewhere else in the lower 48 to get one.
 
EZ94- Thank you for the words of experience and the confidence you gave me about the RE-0880 and 25-0880. I just ordered that setup per all the good things said about them. I got a deal on this setup thru carparts.com for 58. 03 w/shipping. They had a deal for first time buyers of 1/3 off with the total order buy using the discount code:1520005. Shipping time is about 2 weeks. I can't wait. Thanks again. BOMBS AWAY!!! #ad
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94 4x4 SLT Geno's guages,mystery switch,TST 230/605,straight pipe from turbo,110,000+ miles,much more to come
 
This topic is best discussed in the "Products" forum, as it's content and subject are suited to all vehicles.

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Hey TDR gang & Scotty!

I've been reading about the "Scotty" & "Psycotty" air filtration systems in this forum for a few months now.

A simple question: Are they available for "First Generation" trucks? If not, could either of the two systems be modified to work with the abundance of underhood space provided on these old trucks?

Keeno
 
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