Engine/Transmission (1994 - 1998) that new dura---------------max

[CATCRACKER]

when john deere puts a v8 diesel in a 8420 that pulls a subsoiler all of its life i will be a convert. np f@#$ing way i will have a v8 diesel . i will buy gas before doing that

 

[obert]

Well this thread is definately a good read..... :-laf



HP is just a math figure, basicly how fast your touque happens and is purely for braggin' rights. Those who walk the walk have big tourque numbers. Ive seen d-max's dyno some huge tourque, but at what RPM??? Certainly higher than our little 6's. Back when they first came out the bad a** bowtie boys in their shiny now 305hp diesel seemed to pick on me on the freeway, mabey they saw my gauges (and "a vulgar display of power" on the tailgate ) but back then I figure my flywheel HP around MAYBE 275, and not one of them ever got past me. Its all about the useable powerband, and the cummins has it. The trucks at work, except mine, have those things and I cant say their gutless, but if you want power from the V8, the tach is always pointed to the top and fuel gauge is at the bottom.



Im glad that some one here has seen a decent Izuzu-- I havent. Their industraials suck. Severe balance problems. Belt shrouds, brackets, exhaust, mounts, anything attached to the engines i get to see will break. LOTS of bad vibes, usualy gutless, but none the less always start easy, even wore out.

 

[cojhl2]

There's certaintly something to be said about that. When I first started driving Class 8 we had 220 Cummins pulling 76k truck and trailer.



In fact the generation before me had 185 Cummins.



We really had something wehn we went to a blown 220 to get 262.



Of course we wernt the fastest on a hill either!

 

[RJPotts]

I just saw an illegal display of towing ability on the way to work.

24v 3500 6-speed pulling..... are you ready?!?!?!. A 953C (no that's not a typo).

I'd love to see any DuraTrash or PowerJoke pull that machine.

I bet that guy is going to jail before the end of the day.

-R. J.

 

[kah68]

Here is the skinny from what I know and people who own the new trucks know. For one I don't think my new 05' is that impressive perfomance wise and the fuel mileage sucks. I know the new Dura, is pretty quick but fuel mileage sucks with it too. PLEASE keep your fuel efficient, easy to work on, powerful trucks at home where they belong. Don't buy into the horsepower hype! I'm not saying that the new trucks aren't nice, they are very nice, but with horsepower increased and emmissions adding more junk to the engines, we the owners are suffering! I would love the option of a 12 valve 190 h. p. motor, with 4:10's and an N. V. 5600. Lots of power, good economy and easier Way easier to work on.

 

[CajunDieselMan]

I just saw an illegal display of towing ability on the way to work.

24v 3500 6-speed pulling..... are you ready?!?!?!. A 953C (no that's not a typo).

I'd love to see any DuraTrash or PowerJoke pull that machine.

I bet that guy is going to jail before the end of the day.

-R. J.

That's a 20 ton piece of machinery! Plus the trailer it sits on. That guy's not gonna have too much truck left if he keeps THAT up!

 

[Yo Hoot]

Here is the skinny from what I know and people who own the new trucks know. For one I don't think my new 05' is that impressive perfomance wise and the fuel mileage sucks. I know the new Dura, is pretty quick but fuel mileage sucks with it too. PLEASE keep your fuel efficient, easy to work on, powerful trucks at home where they belong. Don't buy into the horsepower hype! I'm not saying that the new trucks aren't nice, they are very nice, but with horsepower increased and emmissions adding more junk to the engines, we the owners are suffering! I would love the option of a 12 valve 190 h. p. motor, with 4:10's and an N. V. 5600. Lots of power, good economy and easier Way easier to work on.

Now I agree with that entirely. I want 20 mpg round town not 300-400 hp and 11-13 mpg.

 

[obert]

Ive been handed a delema at work. There is a shiny, brand new truck on order for our service fleet. I get dibs. The only thing I know for shure is its a frd and im guessing will be an auto trans.

The delema: There is a newer work box at another branch that is in better shape than mine, and will fit my current truck ( in sig-- 95 5-sp 3:55LSD). My seat sags, but thats easy to fix, its a little old for a flashy service vehicle, and some how came w/o AC. Hmmmm..... Do I go new and get AC, or re-box the old one?



Im thinking that old seat still fits pretty good... ... ... ... ... ...

 

[RJPotts]

I don't mean to hijack this thread, but the truck I saw was as well equipped as possible to pull that machine. Kelderman, trussed axles front and rear, gear splitter, air brakes, etc... Still not something I would do, but impressive none the less. I agree though, no matter what you do that truck can't replace a 379 Pete or similar. Oh well.

I'd still like to see a DuraCrap or PowerJoke do that no matter what's done to them.

-R. J.

 

[cojhl2]

Hope Im not going to bore you guys,, but:

1) What are trussed axles

2) how do you get air on a 3500 (RYO or is it a kit from someone)

3) Where does the gear splitter come from(Some else in the forum is looking for one)

4)What is a 953C



Thank you for the answers. . Im always looking to get more knowledge

 

[DMcPherson]

I like the fact that the cummins guys know what useable horsepower means. you can advertise all the power you wnat on a diesel, but if the torque power crosover isny down low its useless. great I can pull therough the rpm band its just gonna take forever to get there. peak power means nothing either, try avraging horsepower and see where they land or torque for that matter.

hp sells gm and ford, intelligence sells dodge cummins.

I must admit that with allmost equal load that a d-max will get out faster than my auto dodge, but once rolling and that convertor locks up its bye bye. embarasingly.

and if you order a new isb from cummins in a 235 hp rating it will come with 660ftlbs. they are de-tuned for chrysler, probably to keep the trans together. and the qsb now goes to 300 or 325 hp. and like 760ftlbs. so while they try to make reliable power cummins has been doing it for years.

the next project for me will be a qsb allison combo in a 67-72 chevy pickup.

 

[obert]

I think the 953C in question is a giant *** wheel loader. Right? built by CAT? I first thouht of bobcat loader of the same designation, but that wouldnt be a subect of excitement. A second thought developed "ooohhhhhh, one of those 953's.

 

[cojhl2]

Thank you obert,, I bet you are right. I wondered about that later after I posted the question.



I dont know much about construction machinery although the year before last I ran a Cat 950 (I think that was the designation) for a couple of days. (My neighbor has a heavy construction company)



If it is one of those it sure is a heavy load for a 1t but if you have brakes and axles I guess it should be able to be ok.

 

[obert]

there are a few quarries i visit regularly for work. I work on the little bobcats but I know ive seen that number at one of them and im thinking it was about maybey 50000#?? I might be way off though because equip mod #'s often are the same for very different machines and I see so many, its hard to keep track.

 

[LandScraper]

Heres a 953C loader. Weighs 33000-34000 depending on what options you get i assume. Looked it up on the CAT website. Pulling with a 1 ton is not a good idea.

http://catused.cat.com/equipment/view-equipment-detail.html.arg=equipmentPK=Eq1.614681C

 

[tgrfan2]

Go over to the Diesel Place and read all about it. I have been following them since a friend got his Z. They are already talking about beefing up the supposed beefed Allison to handle that amount of power. They are worried the new TC might not hold up. It is a nice truck, but I don't think Cummins or Dodge is worried since our engines already can easily put out that amount of torque.

 

[RJPotts]

The 953C is Caterpillar's medium sized track loader. LandScraper is correct on the weight, but that is without a bucket so ad a few thousand lbs.

"Trussed axles" means that there is steel bracing "towers" on the axle to give the axleshafts more support and so that the axle can support more weight.

As for the air brakes, either it was a kit or the guy is/knows an engineer. I can't imagine it would be all that hard to build a kit. The trailer definitely had air brakes though, I saw the cylinders.

I assume the gear splitter was from GearVendors.

-R. J.

 

[obert]

I might be way off though because equip mod #'s often are the same for very different machines and I see so many, its hard to keep track.

oops. Im still picturing a large atrticulated wheel loader, probly 3 yrd bucket.

what the hell am i thinking??? or am I :-laf

 

[cojhl2]

Thank you RJPOTTS etal for helping me with answers to my questions. There is so much knowledge here on these forums.



Im surprised that a one ton would be used to haul this machine but I guess with enough axles and good enough brakes it works!!



Elsewhere on these forums I posted where I had seen a Dodge D50 diesel in the early 80's rebuilt with a live tandem axle setup and pulling a big trailer brought in a 40k Press Brake.



I am surprised that they would have converted the truck to air brakes though,, thats a lot of change and to get it thru DOT would be quite a hassle I would think.

 

[obert]

really air on the truck??? That guy should sell the kit! bet its big $$ though.