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Yes, I have a 1997 pump and I changed my delivery valves and they are definitely rated for more fuel. The engine was making a "canning" noise under moderate throttle because the stock delivery valves were under fueling the bigger nozzles. As far as the 12cm housing, I blew my head gasket while experimenting with it. Too much drive pressure for the high horsepower application I was using. The 16cm housing was even too little for my usage. I finally got the HX40 and moved up to 6" exhaust immediately after the transmission crossmember. Chili Dogs and Diesels are best served "all the way"! #ad
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Chris
1997 5sp 4X4, HX40, BD 4" Brake, Marine Compression, Custom Tuned Injection Pump, 370B Injection Nozzles, Delivery Valves, Governor & AFC Spring Kit, Psychotty Air, Water Injection, 6" Chrome Exhaust System, No Smoke Valet Switch, McLeod Dual Disc Clutch, Mag-Hytec Rear Cover, Cummins Chrome Kit, Optima Red Tops, Hadley Bully Horns, Hurst Line Loc. Test mule for Auto Wurks race program
 
Hey, Griff:

I'd give "Dr. Performance" a call. Then you don't have to worry about governor, spring kits, torque plates, etc. , etc. "Doc" ships you a whole new pump! I know the TST guys are VERY happy with their setups, and they get a great value for money spent, but this is an entirely different way to approach power upgrades. My truck is making well over 400 hp now and I never, ever have had to "take my foot out of it," during uphill pulls to keep from turning my engine into a molten mass of aluminum and iron... You'll pay more to go with an entirely reworked pump -- but not a whole lot more -- and you may be happier in the long run. Just a thought...

Also, you're going to have to beef up your clutch'n'transmission at some point. Better "sooner vs. later," IMO. I think I'd do the clutch and transmission upgrades first so that you don't have to worry about getting yourself stranded somewhere...

Dr. Performance: 877-338-7373
Smith Diesel
Carlisle, KY 40311
606-289-7892



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97 2500 4x4, club cab, auto, 3. 54 limited slip, JRE 4" exhaust, Dr. Performance Fuel system (370 HP), "Twister Turbo," Geno's guages -- Boost, EGT, transmission & Rear -- MAG Hytec covers, SunCoast Converter/Transgo shift kit, Brite Box, tons o'chrome under hood, Prime Loc, EZ Drain, Seat covers, wood dash, Rancho Suspension, Warn M12000 Winch on Warn Brush Guard, Warn driving and fog lights, Hella twin back up lights, 285/75/R16 B. F. G. ATs on Mickey Thompson "Classic" rims; Linex bed liner, BD exhaust brake, Optima, "Red-top" batteries. Northwest Custom mudflaps, front/rear, and stainless rocker panels.
 
My 6 Eats V-8s wrote:

"... facts are facts, and power is power... "

True, to a point...

But, then, there's the power of a nuclear reactor (controlled, usable) vs. the power unleashed at Hiroshima (err, less controlled... ). #ad
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Both "power," and of the same sort, come to think of it. Both systems were reviewed, in depth, by Scott Dalgleish in the TDR ("The Second Time Around"). The "Dr. Performance" system flowed substantially less fuel, and produced substantially cooler (EGTs). Pumps were compared on identical Bosch test stands, by a trained "technician," and both trucks/system were driven by Scott, who reviewed and reported on such aspects as heat generated during long, uphill, full-throttle pulls, etc.

In issue #26 (pg. 43) while reviewing one of Mark Chapple's "For Competition Only Plates," Scott writes, "... while we posted 367 hp at the rear wheels in the dyno, our exhaust gas temperatures (EGTs) hit 1,600 degrees faster than you could blink your eyes... "

Scott's test of the Dr. Performance set up, which produced (Review in Issue #27) equivalent horsepower, produced non-damaging EGTs, flowed less fuel, and produced much less smoke... .

I'm not slamming Mark's products. Again, I think they represent a good value for dollars spent. But, if you want to be able to use ALL the additional horsepower, ALL of the time, for as long as you want... Well, most cam/torque plate users will admit that they just can't do that.

Not without experiencing their own, "localized" version of a "Two Mile Island" nuclear melt down, anyway... #ad
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I unlike many do not have anything agains Barry, he acctually was a fun experiance in my past, he like banks sell a great product. The thing to acknowledge at this piont is hp is a given product do to torque, torque is produced by fuel, if you have 500ftlbs at 3300 you'll produce those 350hp numbers and to most people that is enough, a plate on the other hand increases fuel in the given rpm range . I gotta go. Later.
 
Sasquatch, I'm curious about the turbo you are running. I assume that it was provided by Dr. Performance? Is it a Holset that Dr. P has modified? Do you know and could you tell us what size turbo it is? Thanks in advance.

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1997 2500 Ext Cab 4X4,5 spd,Pac brake,Rancho 9000's,Centerforce clutch,K&N airfilter,Missing Cat,Isspro gauges,and soon a #11 plate.
 
Facts man, Facts! We don't want to sound like the Duracrax guys just saying "it works better" but not having the facts, we wanna know why. What does DR. P do that we're not or can't?

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1972 Chinook class C with 96/215 5spd, 4/5" exh, 4"BD, MagHytec, 85gal fuel, K&N RE0880, AutoMeter, 370's, BD gov kit, BD afc kit, www.fostertruck.com/cummins
 
Larry,

I can't give you any technical "insights" into what Barry does with his systems and pumps. I know that my pump delivers incredible power/torque all the way from about 1800 -- 3400 rpms; it'll actually spin up to 3650 before the governor kicks in... It's a 7500 pound truck that'll do better than 90 mph in the quarter mile.

I'm self-conscious about thumping my chest like a prized jerk, but this truck is really awesome, and Dr. Performance deserves some positive recognition (okay, ALL the recognition). Barry has taken a lot of flack from "unbelievers" on these boards who are more than just a little skeptical about what he's doing. A lot of the folks who are doing the stone-throwing have a "vested interest" in selling cam plates and promoting less expensive alternatives to producing power -- so they bash the **** out of him and his products, calling him a charlatan, and worse. I've never understood this, particularly, since his trucks have been reviewed, several times, favorably in the TDR and other publications...

My feeling is that there ought to be plenty of room in the "arena" for both the folks who want to "bomb" their trucks, and have fun for a lot less money; they are the "torque plate" aficionados; I say "more power to 'em!" Mark C. is a really good guy, and he's making low priced bombing affordable to a lot of good folks. I take my hat of to him for an honest job, well done -- and for making a lot of people happy in the process... But, that doesn't mean that Doc isn't doing a great job, too; he's just taking a different path (a cooler one!) to the top of the hill...

What bothers me, though, is the hostility that is consistently directed at "Doc. " It comes across like pettiness and jealousy to some of us. He's providing a worthwhile product, too, in my opinion -- and he's not really competing with the cam plate crowd, because his systems are in a whole different price category, and he makes no bones about it.

My temperature probe is in the "elbow," after the turbo. It has only hit 850 degrees one time, and that was trailering a pretty heavy load, heading (up I-75) over the mountains in Tennessee, running straight up a long, steep, grade and making over 40 pounds of boost most of the way to the top... This truck hardly smokes at all -- not much more than factory. It's burning the fuel delivered to the cyliders -- not blowing it out the exhaust!

A couple of Saturdays ago (a day that "shall live in infamy") I was driving with my wife on the way to Highlands, N. C. , and a guy in a beautiful, new, bright red, 24 valve 3500 blew our doors off. We were going 80 and he went by us like we were backing up. I've never seen so much smoke, though. I seriously thought he'd blown his engine. We were on a straight stretch of the "Gainsville connector" where the speed limit is 70 (and could be 90!) and I floored it to catch up with him. We went by him with the speedometer pegged and my wife yelling in my ear to slow down. I thought my heart was going to explode in my throat. He got off in Gainsville and I reset my "Magellan" (GPS) unit; it said our top speed over that not quite 3 mile stretch was 127 mph. I'll never do THAT again. My wife didn't speak to me for most of the rest of the day. (but, talk about FUN!) #ad
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Barry isn't sharing his "secrets" with anyone. One of his mechanics, Everett Smith, (Smith Diesel, Carlisle, KY) is a close friend and he's told me, straight up, that he has no idea what makes these pumps so hot (and so "cool-running"). Personally, I don't give a rat's nasty. I can't tell you how my cell phone can be tracked, via satellite, anywhere in the world, either... I just know it works.

I've never heard of anyone who's bought a pump from Barry, or dealt with one of his installers, who has had a complaint -- at least one that hasn't been resolved, satisfactorily. I live in Atlanta, and I would be more than happy to answer any emails from anyone interested in test driving this truck, or getting in touch with Everett. He's much better qualified to answer specific questions than I am. I just want to see Barry (Dr. Performance) get a fair shake on these boards, that's all.
 
Reb:

The turbo is a modified Holset 16. I can't tell you what Barry did to it. I just know that we bolted it on (Everett did, with me watching and asking a million dumb-assed questions) and all of a sudden the turbo lag was GONE! This turbo sounds like an F-16 spooling up!!

Again, if you want more specific answers, you'll have to call Dr. Performance, or Everett Smith at Smith Diesel.
 
Sasq
I'm not saying DR. P's stuff does'nt work, it obviously does. There's no such thing as magic though and I would just like to know where the power comes from. Diesels and for that mater internal combustion engines in general aren't that complicated. All it takes is understanding of how everything works and how it all interrelates.

This secret, hush hush stuff really bugs me. I can't believe someone hasn't pulled one down to see what's inside. There is some efficiency to be had and I'd like to know where it is so I can have it #ad


Sorry, didn't mean to ruffle feathers. #ad

Larry


[This message has been edited by LarryB (edited 11-04-2000). ]
 
Larry,

You didn't ruffle my feathers, dude. Not in the least. (At this time I have to fulfill a "Soft money" obligation) (GORE=RAT)

What's frustrating to me is that I'd like to tell you what's going on instead (so everybody'd think I'm WAY SMARTER THAN I AM) but I'm clueless. I think that Chris and AutoWurks are doing something similar (GORE=RAT) when they "tweak" their pumps and alter the delivery pressures. I bet they (GORE=RAT) know exactly what Doc's doing.

I'd like to compare notes with the New Jersey crowd on transmissions, too, because I think they (GORE=RAT) also offer a transmission conversion service. Chris may have done this to his truck?? I'd like to convert -- maybe early next year -- from my automatic transmission to one of the new 6 speeds. (GORE=RAT) I think this is a pretty expensive proposition, though -- maybe $5 - 6,000. 00 to put the truck back in "factory" condition after the surgery.

Like I said, Larry. I think there is some expertise involved in "tuning" a pump to produce high horsepower and efficient fueling with the right combination of injectors. I know it's not "black magic," and people have been able to duplicate (AutoWurks!?!) what Doc's doing. The question is, are "people" able to do the job cheaper, (GORE=RAT) and do it coast-to-coast, through a network of established, reliable dealers... ?? That's the $64,000 question, it seems to me. (GORE=RAT)

Please Vote your conscience on (GORE=RAT) Tuesday!
 
Gosh, for some reason, after reading your post, I have this Gore=RAT thing rattling arround in my head. Probably something subliminal! #ad


Already voted absentee, boy that GORE=RAT thing rings a bell #ad


[This message has been edited by LarryB (edited 11-05-2000). ]
 
Larry,

You could leave your home early in the morning and be sitting on Doc's front porch, sipping a hot toddy before noon. (not that us diesel-drivers would ever touch spirits before noon... )

Seattle is only, what, 4 hours from Coeur d'Alene, Idaho? Just hop on I-90 East and you'll be there in no time at all. Doc's place is BEAUTIFUL, he's a snowmobile fanatic (got a bunch of 'em) and he'd pin your ears back in a selection of "blown" vehicles. (I think even his snowshoes are jet-propelled!) #ad


Anyway, I'm sure he'd be glad to show you his operation and answer your questions; I know you wouldn't be disappointed. Also, he was running an advertisement recently in the TDR which offered to rebate the money TDR members have spent on performance mods to their trucks, applying that money to the purchase price of one of his systems. Just give him the receipts showing what's been spent, to date. How many "speed vendors" are making that kind of offer?!?

I'm not sure if this offer is still in effect, but it wouldn't surprise me...

Later, dude.

NOTE: THERE IS NO CONTROLLING LEGAL AUTHORITY FOR ANY CRIME THAT'S BEEN COMMITTED IN OR AROUND THE WHITE HOUSE DURING THE PAST 8 YEARS!

Buh-bye, Albert! #ad
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Vote Your Conscience on Tuesday!!
 
Larry, If you want to go let me know. I would be interested in spliting expenses. I would only get to go on weekends, and they probably are not around then anyway.

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96 2500 4x4 Driftwood auto Waren 4x boards pyro,boost,trans temp on a piller mag hytec trans
 
Well so far I have on my workbench a 16cm 2,a 332/700 bullydog plate, the pillar mount is in with the new tweeeter and killer system installed, the linex gets sprayed in tommorow, the k&n is in, the north west mudflaps on order, a mag hyde being ordered tommorow, I will be putting in the egt and boost gauges as well.

Here is my question. I just purchased a used BD brake. I have one more opening on my triple pillar mount for a Autometer Ultra lite gauge. I was thinking from what I have read in the tdr about a gauge for the brake. What type of gauge do I buy. Is it a pressure or vacuum gauge? How high a gauge reading will I need and what Type?

I also need a suggestion on who's exhaust system to purchase that will work with the BD brake.

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98 3500 12v 4x4 Quad Cab SLT Larimie, All the bombing parts accumulating on my workbench. A few more on order, and a few coming from Santa.

80 Porsche 911 SC Turbo Look Porsche Club Racing Trackcar, Totally Bombed
Cannondale Killer V 900 SL
 
Hey Griff, just drop it off at Auto Wurks and tell mike to work his magic. He will work his magic and it will be a totally different truck and it will be reliable power so you can do what ever you want with it tow, race, and just drive around. Believe me he did all the work on my truck and it runs perfect.

Talk to you later

GTSJOE



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97 3500 4x4 ext. cab sun poppie YELLOW, Alcoa five star rims, hadly air horns, mopar diamond plate running boards w/ tons of running lights, weather gaurd diamond plate tool box, HX40 turbo w/ 18. 5 mm housing, big valves, ATS exhaust manifold, big head gastket, 4 inch pipe from turbo to 5 inch tip, big injecters, tons of pump work, Auto Wurks custom larger intercooler, BD custom transmission, turbo blanket, no smoke valet switch, Mag hytech rear and transmission pan, and some other goodies all done by AUTO WURKS DIESEL, still not as quick as my 97 viper gts
 
Not trying to burst anyones bubble or flame anyone but 850 degrees post turbo @40lbs boost is closer to 1500 degrees real time temperature. For the sake of your engine please move your probe to the exhaust manifold, the front section & then get back to us with some real pyro temps.

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Piers, BD engine R&D
 
Piers,
You and I both know how to bury the needle on the egt gauge. Mine is only saved by the HX40. I've still got the probe post turbo and I just can't bring myself to tap the manifold yet. It's got emotional value, you know? Besides, we don't even have an egt gauge on the racer. We're afraid to know what it hits! #ad
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Chris Timochko
1997 5sp 4X4, HX40, BD 4" Brake, Marine Compression, Custom Tuned Injection Pump, Auto Wurks Diesel Intercooler, 370B Injection Nozzles, Delivery Valves, Governor & AFC Spring Kit, Psychotty Air, Water Injection, NOS Diesel Kit, 6" Chrome Exhaust System, No Smoke Valet Switch, McLeod Dual Disc Clutch, Mag-Hytec Rear Cover, Cummins Chrome Kit, Optima Red Tops, Hadley Bully Horns, Hurst Line Loc, Goodyear Wrangler AT/S 305/70/16s. Test mule for Auto Wurks Diesel race program
 
The old rule of 300 degrees difference is only somewhat accurate on an engine producing 20 lbs or less of boost. Once you get above 20lbs boost add 10 degrees for every lb of boost plus the 300.
675 post turbo
300 added
300 = 30lbs boost
1275 total real time temps
As Chris stated we can bury an 1800 degree pyro in seconds if we want, it's how long you hold it there that matters. What we can get away with in a 12-15 second 1/4 mile run is not what one can get away with while towing.

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Piers, BD engine R&D
 
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