The perfect lift pump?

[JLovas]

I'm going to be installing a flatbed on my pickup after the snow starts to fly and thought it might be a good opportunity to do something about my lift pump. I have about 57,000 miles on the stock pump, and have had a fuel pressure gauge for the past 30,000 miles. I always considered that I had a good pump because it was difficult to pull the pressure below 5 psi with mild mods (Smarty on 30 hp, TST 0/0 or Smarty on stock, TST 2/2). But in the last 2,000 miles, I've been noticing that its getting easier to do, and my pressure at idle is 1-2 psi lower than usual. I think the pump may start to be getting weak because I have kept up on my filter changes as usual (fuel filter change with every oil change).



Anyway, I know the fass is popular, but I thought it was pretty pricy. I've also considered getting a new in tank fuel from Chrysler and installing one of them as long as I had the bed off. The in tank pumps seem to be holding up well, and I'm a pretty conservitive driver when it comes to bombs, so I think the flow would keep up o. k. (if its the same as the engine mount lift pumps). Any thoughts on what I should do would be appreciated! Thanks.

 

[Luken]

I would go with a Walbro Kit from GDP. www.glacierdieselpower.com



Excellent kit!

 

[AFarmer]

FASS also has a four year warranty which no other pump has. The intank pump isn't much less that a good FASS system. That may make your decision a little easier.

 

[MFalkinham]

Any install will be pretty easy with the bed off. I'd vote for the Glacier Walbro (and yes, I'm biased). To me the the Walbro advantage is that you can buy a spare pump for around $120 on eBay and carry it with you. If you ever need to replace it on the side of the road, it would only take about 10 minutes. You can't do that with the in-tank pump, and with the FASS it is cost prohibitive to carry a spare motor.

 

[Tomeygun]

I'm going to be installing a flatbed on my pickup after the snow starts to fly and thought it might be a good opportunity to do something about my lift pump. I have about 57,000 miles on the stock pump, and have had a fuel pressure gauge for the past 30,000 miles. I always considered that I had a good... ... ... ... ... when it comes to bombs, so I think the flow would keep up o. k. (if its the same as the engine mount lift pumps). Any thoughts on what I should do would be appreciated! Thanks.

When I went looking for a nice pump I considered reliability, noise, $$$ and ease of replacement...



What can I say, the walbro pump fit my bill - And the thought of a twin pump system is too cool if I need more flow. One thing is that the FASS does have the filter system, some benefit there for sure.



I like that I have a spare pump and it takes up very little room under the seat.



BTW - I too am bias to the walbro (but I have never owned a Full FASS system either, only the DPP pump only)

 

[rbattelle]

For the last year I've been pretty happy with my Holley Blue. Flow rate and pressure are well matched to the engine, so no external regulation is required. New pumps are $114 from Summit, and the pump is rebuildable (Holley sells a rebuild kit).



Near as I can tell there are only a few of us running these Holley's. Most people run either FASS or the new Walbro.



Ryan

 

[RMalone]

Walbro, and I am biased also. Rich at Glacier is by far the most helpful vendor I have dealt with, oh yeah all the reasons stated above also.

 

[dcochran]

The perfect lift pump?



A mechanical pump - like the RASP - which runs when the engine runs. It just doesn't get any easier.

 

[JLovas]

I sure appreciate all the information/thoughts folks~



Ryan, I enjoyed reading about your custom lift pump setup. Very well planned and thought out.



I like the looks of the walbro kit too, seems to be a pretty simple, clean kit. And at $400, its a price that I can live with. I like Tommygun's idea of keeping a spare pump in the pickup, and the small size of those pumps look like it will be easy to carry a spare. Thanks again guys.



Jason

 

[AMassaro]

Another vote for Walbro... My setup is custom, though...

 

[jraker]

Why not get a RASP from DTT? It is mechanical. The higher the RPM the more pressure you pull and if the belt brakes your factory electrical pump takes over. You can also use your factory LP to prime the system when you change your fuel filter. It may be a little on the expensive side but I like the fact that I have a back up in place that will fail over should the RASP break. Plus I keep an extra belt in the door pocket.

 

[chrleb1]

Check out this thread and the last couple of post are kinda funny. I got a kick out of what Brad from FASS did to Reb. When Reb called and told me that, I already new where it was going and who it was.

http://www.tdr1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=167486

 

[MFalkinham]

Check out this thread and the last couple of post are kinda funny. I got a kick out of what Brad from FASS did to Reb.

That's funny right there. :-laf

Nothing wrong with some good ole' American competition between companies!

 

[nickleinonen]

Another vote for Walbro... My setup is custom, though...

i've got a gsl 392 waiting to be installed. i think it will have to wait until next spring though. . no time to fab up brackets for the filters and the pump mount, and weather/winter is coming too soon...

 

[Tomeygun]

Check out this thread and the last couple of post are kinda funny. I got a kick out of what Brad from FASS did to Reb. When Reb called and told me that, I already new where it was going and who it was.

http://www.tdr1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=167486

I too spoke with brad after the DPP 150 pump I had no longer was on my truc - I changed mostly due to Walbro just fits me better in terms of needs and wants



Let me note that I never had a FULL FASS though, only the pump-only setup...

 

[LowFly]

Check out this thread and the last couple of post are kinda funny. I got a kick out of what Brad from FASS did to Reb. When Reb called and told me that, I already new where it was going and who it was.

http://www.tdr1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=167486

For our core FASS dealers, to buy direct with us and get the discounts they do, we require them to only carry our pumps. If they choose to carry other pumps, that’s fine. They just can't buy direct with us. It was all in our dealer requirement criteria when he decided to sign up with us.

 

[Luken]

The Walbro is much easier to install, works better, cheaper, and doesn't have any little problems to drive you batty. Above all, you can't beet the custumer service that Richard Martin provides at Glacier Diesel.

I think that is the best way to descibe the Walbro, Glacier Diesel, and Richard Martin. A no brainer in my opinon. You can call that guy day or night and he always answers the phone with an answer... :-laf

 

[rbattelle]

As someone who's been around here for awhile, it's eerie how similar are today's talk about the GDP kit and the talk that once went on regarding FASS.



Old thread 1.

Old thread 2.

FASS First Impressions.

FASS results in more power.

FASS has great customer service.

FASS great customer service 2

FASS quick response to questions



These fuel systems are like fashion. One year you're the greatest thing ever; next year it's out with the old and in with the new.



Ryan

 

[Tomeygun]

These fuel systems are like fashion. One year you're the greatest thing ever; next year it's out with the old and in with the new.

Ryan

I think as a product becomes available that fits a paticular need better then the prior product then you will naturally see a surge towards that product...



It will be interesting to see if the GDP walbro systems keep seeling or if it was a fad...

 

[Luken]

As someone who's been around here for awhile, it's eerie how similar are today's talk about the GDP kit and the talk that once went on regarding FASS.



Old thread 1.

Old thread 2.

FASS First Impressions.

FASS results in more power.

FASS has great customer service.

FASS great customer service 2

FASS quick response to questions



These fuel systems are like fashion. One year you're the greatest thing ever; next year it's out with the old and in with the new.



Ryan

Ryan,



You posted 7 threads with good things about the FASS (I didn't read them but I assume they are good)...



I could dig up probably 25 posts in the last 4 weeks with bad things about the FASS. Whether its the noise, leaking, failing. It doesn't matter what the problem is. But I won't bore you with the same things we read about week in and week out.



My question to a die hard FASS owner is how many threads do you see about people having trouble with the GDP kit? I'll answer that one for you. NONE.



I am biased, but I have talked to fass owners and some that used to be Fass owners and well over half of them say if they were buying a kit today it would be a GDP kit. It just wasn't available at the time.



Whatever floats your boat