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I know that Ryan Myer from YouTube put on on his truck but from my understanding of the products and how they work is that they just make the computer think you are pushing the go pedal farther than you actually are?

I had the BD 1 of a while and after about a month I returned it and decided it just wasn't for me. it just didn't do if for me. Decided to use the money elsewhere and got a bigger turbo.
 
i had a pedal commander on my 16 2500 6.4 hemi

it worked ok. just pushed the wireless pedal faster the your foot.

i currently have a 2018 2500 cummins, but have not put the pedal commander on it...

got rid of the 6.4 because at 5500 feet to 9000 feet in elevation it lost its guts, and got 11 mpg on a good day.

at sea level the truck ripped.

cheers comrade!
 
I must be the oddball, as I’m quite pleased with OE throttle sensitivity.

Then again, I did the tuning on my 05 and gave it a softer pedal than stock. It really was much nicer towing and on dirt roads.
 
Friends,

I have the Edge Amp'd throttle booster on my 2017 to solve a less then 1% problem: pulling out into heavy traffic solo. I like it, so here's my theory how it helps: It seems to fool the truck programming for torque management to a point, allowing a little more performance on the low end. I believe the combination of throttle position, load, speed, and gear its in affects the degree of torque management applied (no revelation here). Towing, I have ABSOLUTELY no complaint about factory torque management and performance and about 99% of the time driving sols. And I'm happy with improvements in driving solo, specifically pulling out into heavy traffic. Remember, my C&C weighs around 12Klb solo. Could I have lived without the throttle booster? Probably. Is it 100% solution? No, but it's improving my 1% problem. With this improvement, I guess I'll STILL just have to drive it like a large, heavy (duty) tow vehicle.

As a note, my 2017 Ram 5500 has MORE torque management than my former 2009 Ram 4500. I little harder comparing them though as I had a Smarty on my 09 turned up to level 5, adding 90HP and ~180Lb Ft TQ. Smarty was VERY good at adding usable power. I'm a conservative driver, so I didn't hurt the transmission/ driveline with the increased HP and TQ.

I have friends with 2017 and 2018 Cummins Rams, 2500s and 3500s, with 68RFE and Aisin transmissions, and none of them complain about pedal delay or torque management, AND I NEVER bring it up to them.

Just my two cents.

Cheers, Ron
 
Well written Wiredawg. I'm pretty much 100% satisfied with my 2016 as well, the exception being the throttle response. The BD booster on my truck helped quite a bit but it does not solve issue at hand.
 
My concern with upping the throttle sensitivity is dirt "roads". I have a piece of property in the middle of nowhere WY and when I go the canyon route im limited to 2nd gear and idle. If I use the throttle at all its so bumpy that I can't steady my foot and the trucks jerks terribile. Not sure if it would make this worse or better? Opinions?

This video gives you an idea what im talking about:


Of course I am planning some Carli or Thuren upgrades in the future but that is a lot of coin.
 
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My concern with upping the throttle sensitivity is dirt "roads". I have a piece of property in the middle of nowhere WY and when I go the canyon route im limited to 2nd gear and idle. If I use the throttle at all its so bumpy that I can't steady my foot and the trucks jerks terribile. Not sure if it would make this worse or better? Opinions?

I actually have a video somewhere let me see if I can find it.

Of course I am planning some Carli or Thuren upgrades in the future but that is a lot of coin.
Why I decided on the Edge Amp'd? Switch to select stock, 50, 75, 100, 400, half stock. As you can my switch is very accessible.

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So for me for now stock and 75% work. I could see your point if you had one not immediately adjustable going offroad.

Just another perspective.

Cheers, Ron
 
BD comes with a button (for $50-60 more) which puts it in different modes.

I like valet mode for bumpy roads because it reduces the sensitivity which works well in low gears
 
I am one who does have the heavier than desired TQ management issue. I do have the booster and it does help a little but if you have experienced a truck with programmed TQ management like ours then you also have experienced it when the power then comes on hard. I feel like if they trusted our foot more or the transmission that they could have made this response more linear. In worst case situations where you enter a road and have to come off then on and get the most delay, 3-4 seconds in my case then it hits hard if you dont learn to back off, its really not safe. People where I live think its smart to just come right up on you, not let you in, etc.

My dealer confirmed with someone in engineering that there is significant TQ management programmed in, I think it is real as do many others but it is interesting that not everyone seems to experience it. I drove the new 2019 and it was just the same eventhough there are reports that they took the TQ management away in every gear.....that just tells you its there in my truck.
 
We have to have some sort of torque management. Nothing in the drivetrain can handle the full torque multiplied with lower gears. Even the “improved” 2019 drivetrain is too small for that much torque. The comment in the video is a play on words.

That’s not to say it can’t be programmed better thou, unless it is the issue TC has mention with the fuel rail restrictions.. then it’s a hardware issue.
 
Its More of a hardware restriction than programing....Many Deleted and tuned Truck have the delay at WOT, its impossible to supply the required amount of combustion fuel through a Hole that's 1/32" at 5000-8000PSI , If you really pay close attention to your Rail Pressure when you let of the AP the rail PSI jumps up momentarily, then drops if you hit the AP when it drops the fuel system cannot recover to feed the required amount of Fuel to spool the turbo and MAKE HP, couple that with 3.42 just lethal in certain need to go events.
 
^^^ Tell us more TC. Pretty sure you've told us about this before.
 
I just don't have access to the photos at this time....When I get back I'll post them...I'm surprised that as many owners that have the Modded rail do Not comment...Maybe that's a good thing because you won't find anyone posting Neg on the $$$ to buy one.

The second (After install) you start the truck even the tone changes at idle.
 
This something I found on forum B this morning

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"From Hector:

"I took your BD TSB questions to our engineers. Here is what they have come back to me for you all":

Background – Torque Management:

Torque management is solely an artifact of the programming within the powertrain control module. Manufactures program newer vehicles to reduce the allowable torque output for a number of reasons including but not limited to reduced driveline shock, reduced strain on the transmission and reduced engine exhaust emissions. This aids both reducing the manufacturer’s warranty costs as well as increasing engine peak output while not exceeding the torque limits of the transmission and driveline components in the lower gears. This has become increasingly important as vehicle manufacturers continue to complete in the horsepower and torque figure arena. This torque reduction occurs during a plethora of conditions including if the vehicle is stationary, the transmission is currently changing gears, if the vehicle is in top gear, if the engine temperature exceeds safe limits and many other reasons.

With sufficient technological capabilities, a powertrain control module may be modified by altering the calibration tables that are referenced in the operating system programming. This process is usually referred to a tuning or altering the calibration. It is then theoretically possible to reduce the torque management or eliminate it entirely. This is very rarely done fully or correctly as there are many factors at play, for example the transmission control strategy may signal the engine controller to reduce torque, which leads to tuning both modules or completely rewriting the operating system of the engine controller; there are so many torque management tables in modern vehicle computers it is often not possible to map all of them out. For this reason control module tuning or recalibrations often do not correctly increase the desired torque and the torque management tables in the controller but instead simply increase injector duration to simulate this effect, often in conjunction with some torque management changes. This is why some will still find improvements with an add on like the BD Throttle Sensitivity Booster even with a tune.


BD Throttle Sensitivity Booster:

This product connects to the accelerator pedal position sensor (APPS) also known as the throttle position sensor. The BD module then alters the signals from the accelerator pedal to the powertrain control module. The powertrain controller uses these signals to look up the desired torque that the driver is demanding and de-rates it according to its torque management program. The BD module manipulates the torque demand signals so that they ramp up faster than normal. This means that although the torque management is still enabled and still limiting power output to the same level, the driver is able to realize all the torque the powertrain control module will allow, rather than a portion of it as may be the case with a slower responding torque demand signal input.

At the end of the day, the BD Throttle Sensitivity Booster will help get you up on power quicker but does not eliminate torque management and does not increase total power. Thus it is warranty safe and will not alter your vehicles exhaust emissions – something that no aftermarket tune or recalibration can provide.


Regarding fuel rail modifications:

We have no empirical data to support physical modifications to the fuel system on a late model Cummins engine will in any way reduce the apparent lack of acceleration or torque management experienced. If anything, it may be a detriment as there is an increased risk of foreign material ingress, and the feedback control of the powertrain controller may be jeopardized, leading to less consistent fuel rail pressures.
The fuel system is a high pressure direct injection common rail setup. It uses closed loop PID control over injection pressure to ensure that regardless of the size of the restrictions in the fuelsystem, the high pressure pump output will compensate and maintain fuel rail pressure. Additionally, if the fuel rail pressure does deviate up or down from the desired level this does not mean the engine will receive more or less than the correct amount of fuel. The program in the controller is to adjust fuel injection duration to increase duration if rail pressure decreases to ensure consistent quantity delivery.
From our testing, we have seen lags in fuel pressure response during tip-in on modified vehicles with very large fuel demands due to large injectors and increased injection duration. However, the quantity of fuel required at initial take off is very minimal when compared to wide open throttle operation where the engine may be operating at a pressure ratio of 2:1 rather than 1:1, high engine speed and the increased allowable torque fuel demand may be eight times higher. We have on the other hand noted improvements in this transient area with using higher output high pressure fuelpumps but this is not a requirement on a stock vehicle.

Hector McLean

BD Diesel Performance
Sales & Tech Rep.
1-800-887-5030
heck@bd-power.com
BD Power - The Leaders in Diesel Performance"
 
" quantity of fuel required at initial take off is very minimal "

LMBO....It takes more fuel to move then to sustain ( Running movement) any moving vehicle.

Tell Hector to bring it on.....But bring a suit case of Money.....

WTH does modding have to with FM.....After 1000s of rail Mods done By us find someone that ingested FM.

That last paragraph Fuel Pressure and actual volume are entirely unrelated ..... BD outdated info....
 
" quantity of fuel required at initial take off is very minimal "

LMBO....It takes more fuel to move then to sustain ( Running movement) any moving vehicle.

Let's not forget the entire quote......
However, the quantity of fuel required at initial take off is very minimal when compared to wide open throttle operation
 
Its simply takes more fuel to move any vehicle from 0 to X speed....KT do YOU drive at WOT... of course you don't, the comparison is mute, I thought We were discussing dead pedal? or TQ mngt, and the reason for having it.

That SB does NOTHING for WOT, and when you need the power its worthless, it only fools the Person Driving into thinking its spooling faster Because of the AP position %.... it does nothing for the DP when the Operator NEEDS WOT to haul butt.

The SB may have some sweet spot, but its certainly does nothing when you need to Haul Butt....

Watch Your APPS % Vs load.

If You have a device that can log, Like the Banks IQ It will clearly show your speed at time and RPM,APPS,LOAD.

Do 3-4 runs at different APP 50+% W/WO the SB The chart will tell you the truth at Speed , Time, distance.

KT you are Always telling everyone that data, Science and testing is truthful,(KT) go do it yourself and get some and report the results
 
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