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Greg Boardman said:
I may have exaggerated just a little bit, ok alot. :-laf Like I said, I'd love to have that setup, but I personally can't see paying $575 a wheel, and roughly $475 a tire. Thats crazy! I can't help but think that after you purchase such a set up that you are being laughed at as you walk out the door. Having more money than brains would be a nice problem to have, but I doubt I will ever have that problem.
Thats just the thing. . so many of us do just that on wet/dry and snow covered pavement. Daily driven on the street with little off road use and having a tire that is purpose built works the best. For me 35" is too tall for towing unless I change the gears and is the MT as quiet at their AT? I don't see how it could be.kentkroeker said:
I don't mean to put that awesome MT tire down and would consider it in a 33" as long as it was quiet. I have been spoiled with superb wet/dry/snow traction while being able to listen to the tunes in the back ground turned down and have a conversation with passengers.
Coolslice,
Kore sells Toyo tires for $350 and Weld wheels for $500. You are still exaggerating dude!!!!!
Kore sells Toyo tires for $350 and Weld wheels for $500. You are still exaggerating dude!!!!!
nitto AT are $153 for 295/70/17. 3195# load rating D. About 1. 75" taller than the stock BFG
http://www.discounttiredirect.com/direct/searchTiresBySize.do?sw=false&cs=295&ar=70&rd=17
http://www.discounttiredirect.com/direct/searchTiresBySize.do?sw=false&cs=295&ar=70&rd=17
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Gents,
Just got the word!
KORE will have the very first Toyo 35x12. 50x17 Open Country M/T's in stock by the middle of next Week!
This is really exciting for us, since many have been waiting patiently for this tire for almost a year.
It will fit on the OE wheel or the popular Hummer takeoffs!
$325 plus shipping.
Everyone have a great weekend!
Kent Kroeker
KORE
Just got the word!
KORE will have the very first Toyo 35x12. 50x17 Open Country M/T's in stock by the middle of next Week!
This is really exciting for us, since many have been waiting patiently for this tire for almost a year.
It will fit on the OE wheel or the popular Hummer takeoffs!
$325 plus shipping.
Everyone have a great weekend!
Kent Kroeker
KORE
Greg Boardman said:Coolslice,
Kore sells Toyo tires for $350 and Weld wheels for $500. You are still exaggerating dude!!!!!
Hey, the KORE website says $575 per wheel. :-laf OK, hear me out. I'm so frustrated with my current tire situation that I would be willing to to look into that setup if I understood it more. I have had bad past experiences with lifts. I think it might get me further into trouble if I were to get into lifts and 35" tires and all. Feel free to correct me because I know nothing about any of this, really 
... I would just go back to stock, but my fender flares have worn paint off and the stock wheels look like crap with fender flares.
My wheels are turning now. :-lafCoolslice,
You're correct about KORE web pricing. That's MSRP for Joe Schmo off the street, not a TDR member. We still sell those wheels to TDR guys for $500 each - but you have to ask for it - and to ask for it, you've got to know about it.
In the past we've offered some really good discounts to TDR members who are watching the web carefully.
Last year we introduced the KORE wheel for only $435 for TDR members. For a while our "Leveling Kit" was only $350 - a real bargain because it has the same coils as our other systems. That price was far below our cost but we didn't tell anyone. Now we include our HD bump stops and it costs $600 - MSRP - and it doesn't even appear as a KORE p. n. - you've got to ask for it. We recently lowered the price for the rear set up and bumped up the price for the front to make it easier for guys to do half a Pace system at a time. The Pace system is still $1200.
The point is that if you stay in tune with the TDR you can catch some pretty good deals - but they don't last long because if they did, KORE wouldn't last long.
The reason why KORE offers initial discounts is to get our products out in the marketplace, in use by real people on real vehicles. Ever heard the expression, "Low Introductory Pricing?" That's essentially what we're doing without saying it - I hate all that B. S. marketing jargon. We get it out there and let our customers do the advertising for us.
Our suspension is conceptually very different from every other "lift kit" on the market. Essentially we sell the only "non-lift kit" available. I can talk about it forever; it's my life. But when I talk about it, I sound like a geek and people's brains just shut off. It's much better to hear our happy customers talk about how our suspension feels and works. I'm not believable, since I own the company. Unbiased customers are believable - especially on these forums - they really tell it like it is. If a product is no good, you'll hear about it. People will say, "Don't waste your money. " And if it's good, people will say so.
So far we've got a lot of happy customers. As a retailer I can carry any products I want - Rancho, Goodyear, Nitto - whatever. My plan has always been to carry the stuff I have personal experience with, stuff I either designed, produced or tested extensively. KORE doesn't sell, just to sell. We sell what works and what we're passionate about. That way I don't have to mess with unhappy customers, returns, Q. A. problems etc. - problems that lead to a tarnished reputation. KORE doesn't have a huge list of products it sells, but the products KORE sells are all good products - products we believe in and stand behind. That's why it takes a long time for us to launch a new product. It took almost a year of testing before I would sell Bilstein 5150's - an off-the-shelf shock. After months of testing, KORE control arms are still getting refined. This way, not a lot of stuff comes back to KORE with problems to fix.
So far, out of thousands of shocks KORE has sold, I've only had a couple of Bilsteins that had leaking Schrader valves, one or two bad 5100's and now I see some rusted 7100's. We immediately take care of any functional problem. The finish on our wheels is guaranteed for 5 years, but we can't warrant the finish on shocks. Bilstein 7100's have a nickel/chrome plating designed to rapidly dissipate heat, but without proper care or preventative coating, these shocks will eventually oxidize when exposed to enough road salt etc. Fox and Bilstein 5100's are zinc plated, so I've never seen them tarnish. Never had a failed Fox shock, coil, mini pak or aluminum shock mount. We're really proud of that.
Anyway, that's our company philosophy in a nutshell. Plenty of guys on these forums can answer your questions about KORE suspension, tires and wheels much better than I can.
Love the callsign, by the way...
Kent Kroeker
KORE
You're correct about KORE web pricing. That's MSRP for Joe Schmo off the street, not a TDR member. We still sell those wheels to TDR guys for $500 each - but you have to ask for it - and to ask for it, you've got to know about it.
In the past we've offered some really good discounts to TDR members who are watching the web carefully.
Last year we introduced the KORE wheel for only $435 for TDR members. For a while our "Leveling Kit" was only $350 - a real bargain because it has the same coils as our other systems. That price was far below our cost but we didn't tell anyone. Now we include our HD bump stops and it costs $600 - MSRP - and it doesn't even appear as a KORE p. n. - you've got to ask for it. We recently lowered the price for the rear set up and bumped up the price for the front to make it easier for guys to do half a Pace system at a time. The Pace system is still $1200.
The point is that if you stay in tune with the TDR you can catch some pretty good deals - but they don't last long because if they did, KORE wouldn't last long.
The reason why KORE offers initial discounts is to get our products out in the marketplace, in use by real people on real vehicles. Ever heard the expression, "Low Introductory Pricing?" That's essentially what we're doing without saying it - I hate all that B. S. marketing jargon. We get it out there and let our customers do the advertising for us.
Our suspension is conceptually very different from every other "lift kit" on the market. Essentially we sell the only "non-lift kit" available. I can talk about it forever; it's my life. But when I talk about it, I sound like a geek and people's brains just shut off. It's much better to hear our happy customers talk about how our suspension feels and works. I'm not believable, since I own the company. Unbiased customers are believable - especially on these forums - they really tell it like it is. If a product is no good, you'll hear about it. People will say, "Don't waste your money. " And if it's good, people will say so.
So far we've got a lot of happy customers. As a retailer I can carry any products I want - Rancho, Goodyear, Nitto - whatever. My plan has always been to carry the stuff I have personal experience with, stuff I either designed, produced or tested extensively. KORE doesn't sell, just to sell. We sell what works and what we're passionate about. That way I don't have to mess with unhappy customers, returns, Q. A. problems etc. - problems that lead to a tarnished reputation. KORE doesn't have a huge list of products it sells, but the products KORE sells are all good products - products we believe in and stand behind. That's why it takes a long time for us to launch a new product. It took almost a year of testing before I would sell Bilstein 5150's - an off-the-shelf shock. After months of testing, KORE control arms are still getting refined. This way, not a lot of stuff comes back to KORE with problems to fix.
So far, out of thousands of shocks KORE has sold, I've only had a couple of Bilsteins that had leaking Schrader valves, one or two bad 5100's and now I see some rusted 7100's. We immediately take care of any functional problem. The finish on our wheels is guaranteed for 5 years, but we can't warrant the finish on shocks. Bilstein 7100's have a nickel/chrome plating designed to rapidly dissipate heat, but without proper care or preventative coating, these shocks will eventually oxidize when exposed to enough road salt etc. Fox and Bilstein 5100's are zinc plated, so I've never seen them tarnish. Never had a failed Fox shock, coil, mini pak or aluminum shock mount. We're really proud of that.
Anyway, that's our company philosophy in a nutshell. Plenty of guys on these forums can answer your questions about KORE suspension, tires and wheels much better than I can.
Love the callsign, by the way...
Kent Kroeker
KORE
Don't know the life expectancy of these tires because I haven't been able to wear any out!
Our Baja 1000 tires looked new after the race. I gave one of the rear tires to Toyo's director of marketing. It's kind of historical, so he keeps it in his office. People are always astonished when they see it. It almost looks like a new tire.
I'm not promising that you'll have the same results, but we've got one truck here with almost 10,000 mostly street miles on its Toyo M/T's. We've rotated once and the tires still look new; there's literally no measurable wear. I would guess you could expect around 40 to 50 thousand miles from these tires. Just a guess.
The 35 may fit in the OE spare location. I haven't tried it. Some have reported that it will fit, but it has to set in there a bit sideways.
Kent
Our Baja 1000 tires looked new after the race. I gave one of the rear tires to Toyo's director of marketing. It's kind of historical, so he keeps it in his office. People are always astonished when they see it. It almost looks like a new tire.
I'm not promising that you'll have the same results, but we've got one truck here with almost 10,000 mostly street miles on its Toyo M/T's. We've rotated once and the tires still look new; there's literally no measurable wear. I would guess you could expect around 40 to 50 thousand miles from these tires. Just a guess.
The 35 may fit in the OE spare location. I haven't tried it. Some have reported that it will fit, but it has to set in there a bit sideways.
Kent
Also, check out the show, "Xtreme 4x4" airing Saturday and Sunday this weekend and next weekend. They're showing two different episodes that document the buildup of the Banks "Sidewinder 4x4. " I don't know which episode will discuss tires and wheels, but they're using Toyo M/T's on the truck and KORE race suspension.
Can anyone with the Toyo M/T's give me a realistic idea of how noisy they are. I've heard anywhere from the same as a BFG All Terrain to not quite as loud as a BFG Mud Terrain. Is there a loud drone in the cab? Do you have to raise your voice to be heard over the tires? I plan on doing a lot of highway miles with my truck, and I'd hate to have to live with a loud tire that long, and so would the wife! (Translation: I don't want to have to hear about how loud the tires are on every trip. )
Wow! Thanks Kent.
I have been reading about KORE products here and they seem to be of outstanding quaility. I am just trying to imagine all the possible options. I know this is a question that is best asked in person, but I will ask it here in hopes that others might chime in or be helped in their own situation.
Basically, I would like to run the 35" Toyos, but I can't clear them. The options out there in the 33" size are dismal at best. Lots of companies seem to make them, but they don't make enough of them. I have all but given up on the 33-x-18 tire.
I already have some 18" wheels which seem nice by my standards. Seems like I would be better served to keep my wheels, get a KORE leveling kit, and the new 35"-x-17 tire for a spare and be done with it.
The only thing stopping me is this whole "death wobble" thing. Just from what I have read, it seems to be a common occurance with the said setup of 35's and a leveling kit. In my current sad state of affairs, I have a set of tires I hate, one of which is plugged, and I have a spare that will not be able to function as a spare due to its size. I really need to do something soon.
I have been reading about KORE products here and they seem to be of outstanding quaility. I am just trying to imagine all the possible options. I know this is a question that is best asked in person, but I will ask it here in hopes that others might chime in or be helped in their own situation.
Basically, I would like to run the 35" Toyos, but I can't clear them. The options out there in the 33" size are dismal at best. Lots of companies seem to make them, but they don't make enough of them. I have all but given up on the 33-x-18 tire.
I already have some 18" wheels which seem nice by my standards. Seems like I would be better served to keep my wheels, get a KORE leveling kit, and the new 35"-x-17 tire for a spare and be done with it.
The only thing stopping me is this whole "death wobble" thing. Just from what I have read, it seems to be a common occurance with the said setup of 35's and a leveling kit. In my current sad state of affairs, I have a set of tires I hate, one of which is plugged, and I have a spare that will not be able to function as a spare due to its size. I really need to do something soon.
$475 for a Weld... jeez, there's a sucker born every minute. I can buy any 18" Weld XT for $300 a pop and 36x15. 50x18 MT ATZ's for $245 each. Coolslice, you need to road trip it to CO lol
Luke Warmwater said:
:-laf I have tried to find those MT's the past couple of days, but my local MT dealer hasn't even heard of them.
I did find some Pro Comp's AT Xtremes for 246 ea. They seem nice, they're E range and all that good stuff. Only problem is that they are supposed to be 33" and the measure 33. 6 according to their specs. My current 33's measure 32. 8 and they rub ever so slightly. I don't know if they will clear, otherwise they'd already be on there. CO is one hell of a drive from here, especially with bad tires and no spare. I drove across Iowa and Nebraska a few years ago, and I think it sucked part of my soul out. :-laf- Status
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