Trailer Life ATS article

[phoekema]

For anyone who is interested, the latest issue (May, 2003) of Trailer Life has a write up on ATS which is quite good. Bill of Earth Roamer fame wrote it, I believe. Haven't done any close reading - just quickly scanned the article and thought the TDR 'guys' might like to know about it.

That should give Don and Clint a "shot in the arm" as lots of folks read that magazine.

 

[rrausch]

Don & Clint are great guys, and deserve the kudo's. They have done so much for the Dodge Automatics. I got mine almost a year ago and I LOVE IT! It is the best thing I have ever done to my truck. I feel ATS has the most thorough engineering out there of any of the trans builders. The TripleLok is certainly a precision monster of a TC.

 

[Snow man]

Didnt Bill from Earthroamer get a reduced cost,or even free ATS trans in his truck? . Im not saying the ATS isnt a good setup,just that he has his own interests in mind here,which may have affected his evaluation a little bit. If he paid full shot for all his work then Ill eat crow on this one.

 

[rrausch]

BD sponsors people too.



I haven't read the Trailer Life article yet, but I am itching to get my hands on it.

 

[Bob Wagner]

the TL article is basically the same swails printup that was in the TDR magazine.



nothing new except Bill is now driving a Ferd

 

[rrausch]

That's good news Bob-- that was a GREAT article in the TDR Magazine. ATS certainly deserves the publicity, they are a GREAT company and produce a GREAT product.

 

[Doubleclutch]

Hey Snow, I'd find it kind of hard to call Earthromer Bill out on the free parts thing- we all brag about the stuff that works well on our trucks even though we had to pay for them. Keep an open mind and compare what he wrote to experiences others have had and see if your concerns prove out. The phurd thing is a Different Matter!

 

[Edward]

Originally posted by Snow man

Didnt Bill from Earthroamer get a reduced cost,or even free ATS trans in his truck? . Im not saying the ATS isnt a good setup,just that he has his own interests in mind here,which may have affected his evaluation a little bit. If he paid full shot for all his work then Ill eat crow on this one.

Snowman

With all due respect I think the issue you have touched on is disclosure. If Bill from Earthroamer did get this product for free or at a reduced rate he should have disclosed it . However to be consistent shouldn't an installer who is affiliated with a competitor to the company mentioned also point out that affiliation. If that affiliation were disclosed it would let everyone know what all of the interests are and if you were keeping yours in mind here, which may have affected your reason for posting your question. What is fair for one should be fair for the other.



Edward

 

[pwr2tow]

The last few weeks I have seen all kinds of threads about the DTT transmission and I didn't see anyone come on here and try discredit them, which I certainly could have many times.



Why does the DTT crowd always think they have to discredit all the other transmission makers?



Not affiliated with any company!!

Ron





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04/08/03

 

[Jetpilot]

Originally posted by ronsram1999



or do they spread rumors about things that happen naturally in a transmission and then pass it on as if you don't remedy it with their product right away your transmission is doomed for failure... ... ??? Yup, everything mechanical will fail eventually, good marketing tac tic.

Actually nobody I am aware of at DTT said that you had to remedy anything right away or that your transmission is doomed to failure. What they have done is address known problems within the transmission to help with performance and longevity of the transmission.



Doug

 

[BFC]

Originally posted by rrausch

Right on ronsram! Right on Edward! I got so turned off by the scare tactics, outright untruths, and disinformation spread by the DTT crowd and owners early on. That is one reason why I went with another brand... a better brand as it turns out

and what your guys are doing on every transmission post is different how? Looks to me like like the tide of cheerleading as turned a while back! lighten up boys it's just a transmission. BTW you want to know what transmission is the best in the world?... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... . the one you just shelled out 3 grand for!



Glenn

 

[rrausch]

Glenn, I've been saying that for a year now! If you pay $3,000+ for a trans upgrade, by gosh, whatever Company you chose is THE BEST ONE!!! Period!

It is human nature.



However, I have never said anything negative about the DTT transmission upgrade. I believe the guys who post here and say they have it and they love it. GOOD FOR THEM!!!



What I object to is the bashing of a good company,--ATS, and the bashing of a great product,--The TripleLok & the ATS Stage IV Trans. And that has been done on this site by DTT guys since Don Ramer first posted about the TripleLok back a year and a half ago. I was here, and I read those posts at that time.



I am a loyal person, loyal to my Country, loyal to my wife, loyal to my Religion and to my God, and loyal to the people and companies which have given me FIRST RATE service and a FIRST RATE product. And that company for me is ATS!



Glenn, I can't speak for others, but what I do that is different is that I don't bash DTT. Although I have been guilty of bashing the bashers--I have had some posts deleted which bashed the bashers, and for that I do apologize. But I don't believe the same can be said about the DTT crowd. In my experience they take every opportunity to bash ATS. It turned me off from DTT early on.



If DTT people would stop bashing ATS we would get along on this site a lot better.

Can we have a Truce???

 

[BFC]

I agre with ya to a point but when you say if the one crowd would stop bashing the other we'd be better off. I find it hard to beleive the only one side it to blame for the current trend these threads are taking. A different stategy would be more constructive for the folks asking legetimate questions, like we all have at one point. I think everybody shoul take a chill pill and change their approach. Be it quitting slinging mud or blindly cheerleading, we'd all be better off. I won't hold my breath



Have a good one,



Glenn





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[rrausch]

As far as I can tell, most of the Anti-ATS posts come from people who own DTT products. It would be different if actual ATS customers said bad things, but as far as I can tell 99% of the actual ATS customers are THRILLED!



I was. I couldn't believe the difference... my truck scooted off the line, thanks to the ATS Stator, Lock-up is firm and definite, thanks to the Triple-Lok TC, I can shift locked if I want, thanks to the V. B. , and I can lock it up at any speed from about 20 mph on up, thanks to the Triple-Lok Commander. I've got extra clutches in the clutch packs, and a whole lot of beefier parts in the trans, thanks to Don Ramer and Clint Cannon, who between them broke about 50 Dodge Transmissions in their own high H. P. trucks, during the 1990's, doing field testing on their own trucks. These guys are smart, tough, dedicated, honest and thorough. They are good folks!

 

[pwr2tow]

Originally posted by BFC

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rraush,



I agre with ya to a point but when you say if the one crowd would stop bashing the other we'd be better off. I find it hard to beleive the only one side it to blame for the current trend these threads are taking. A different stategy would be more constructive for the folks asking legetimate questions, like we all have at one point. I think everybody shoul take a chill pill and change their approach. Be it quitting slinging mud or blindly cheerleading, we'd all be better off. I won't hold my breath



Have a good one,



Glenn

Like I said in my first post to this thread, people came on the TDR with an articles written by a DTT supporter and no one that I can recall butted in and tried to take credit away from them, but as soon as there is information about another transmission company DTT's supporters are right there to try and discredit the company.



Ron

 

[SlyBones]

Seems to me that the original post that starte this did not bast ATS at all. It even says in the post its not intented to say anything about ATS.



The post says the author of the article received the products the is written about in the article for free or a reduced cost, and wonders if the authors opinion may be biased because of that.



As someone pointed out. Lots of other companies here sponsor people. Stating an individual is sponsored by a vendor, is not bashing the vendor.

 

[rrausch]

Posted by ronsram 1999, people came on the TDR with an articles written by a DTT supporter and no one that I can recall butted in and tried to take credit away from them, but as soon as there is information about another transmission company DTT's supporters are right there to try and discredit the company



EXACTLY! I wouldn't butt into a thread started by supporters of another company and bad-mouth a product I hadn't ever tried. Yet DTT supporters often do just exactly this. Unbelievably rude!

 

[Jetpilot]

originally posted by ronsram1999



That's the exact thing they are trying to imply without saying it.

You know marketing tac tics.



Funny how you didn't address the issue of rumors and how things naturally occur in the transmission. Strange how you being a sponsored person by DTT that you didn't mention that in your rebuttal. Stupendous how part of your income for the year is made makes your statements more credialble than someone else's.

Ron,



What rumors are you referring? I am not a transmission expert, nor have I ever claimed to be. I don't make technical statements very often about the workings of a transmission..... What I do know is that the OEM transmissions have internal leaks from the factory. This issue has been addressed by DTT to get the most performance and life from the transmission. This is not a marketing tactic, its just one of the many things that makes this transmission better than the OEM unit.



As for being sponsored what does that have to do with anything? Yes I am sponsored but, I first was a customer of DTT. I purchased my products just like everyone else. In fact we just removed the original DTT transmission from my truck last week and checked it out. Guess what, for a transmission built up originally for a 400 HP truck it looked darn good. Especially since I have been over 750 HP for over a year with it, countless races and dyno pulls, plus just playing around on the street.



Now you lost me though on the income thing..... My sole source of income is from my employment as an airline pilot.



Doug

 

[Edward]

Insinuation, Inference and Innuendo

There is a remaining issue of double standards here. The insinuation is that Bill wrote the favorable article because he received a transmission at reduced or no cost at all. Based on this simple unsupported accusation the inference is made that implies a lack of credibility in the story. This however brings up the issue of the double standards. One only needs to go back to the article on the second gear transmission valve to see the application of this double standard in practice. The howling hounds of fear doubt and dismay had no issue of credibility with the person who wrote the article on the second gear valve. They remained silent knowing that the author derived income from the company he supported in the article. The author made no attempt to freely disclose this business association and not a growl, whine or bark form the pack. But let someone write a favorable article about the packs competition and the innuendos are instantly barked out.

 

[Snow man]

All I did was ask if he was sponsored. I find it hard to believe he is not,since he had big ATS decals on his camper,where he puts his sponsors decals. I didnt say anything bad about the product or him,but I still believe he didnt pay,or paid a reduced price in exchange to promote the ATS products,via decals,and articles. FYI,I paid full retail for my DTT system.