triple lock TC

[Joel Richards]

Re: LSMITH AND JOEL RICHARDS

Originally posted by GLASMITHS

tHE IGNORANCE FALLS ALL AROUND. It would be on my part, ignorance of the working of the trannys; however, I can read and because of it I made my choice.



The real problem is these self styled experts posting what sounds like it comes out of a prepared text, then read the rest of the post and it is worse written than mine.



Did the guy who broke the shafts post, Heck no. This is the problem that the ats system is presented as bullet proff, and it is far from it.

Glasmiths, for you the choice you made is the right one - it seems that you are quite happy with your trans, as are the BD guys and the ATS guys. I'm very satisfied with my choice, and from what I can see from reading, learning, talking, and seeing for myself the difference, I will not regret it.



I'm just glad that the competition is there. It gave you and I the ABILITY to choose. That's really what it's all about. The guys at ATS, DTT, and BD are constantly striving to be the best. I like that - everyone should like that. We all win!



As for reading and learning, it seems to me that if a person was to visit DTT's website http://www.dieseltrans.com/torque_converter.htm) to learn about their TC, and then they were to go to ATS's site (http://www.atsdiesel.com/home/home-triplelok.html) to learn about their TC, and then they were to go to the BD website (http://www.bd-vfi.com/ram/product.php?pn=Torque Convertors&tt=ram) to learn about theirs, a person might have a question or two about the BD and DTT products because the information you seek isn't readily available, and another couple of questions for ATS to help understand their wealth of information.



BTW, ATS never says anything about "bullet-proof". They do say (right from their website) "We knew if we could build a more robust torque converter – one that could handle the full power of these diesels – we could extend transmission life and get more of your engine´s power to the ground". I don't read "bullet-proof" into this.



I encourage anyone who wants to learn what an auto trans does to visit ATS and click on the "ATSU" link. In there they explain efficiency, torque multiplication (how the stator works), impellers (the "pump"), lock-up clutches and more. If your questions aren't answered - which should be the case if you are thinking of purchasing, call around and ask anyone and everyone you can think of the tough questions. Another "primer" as to what makes an auto trans work is http://www.edmunds.com/ownership/techcenter/articles/43836/article.html. There are many of these out there... Make YOUR well informed choice, and feel good that you have done your homework. You won't be dissapointed.



If a vendor (any vendor) really wants to give the customers a choice, it would seem that in this day of internet technology, they can readily give all of the information that they have (and back it up) to us via their web presence. ATS decided to do just that. I respect them for going through all of the effort to help me make an informed decision.



I respect and thank ATS, DTT and BD for taking the time to let me talk to them and get my questions answered. I thank the many people, auto shops, and transmission shops that I talked to. Information is for the most part free - you just have to go get it.



Everyone who knows me, knows that I'm not easily satisfied. Everyone reading my posts will also find out the same. I do such extensive homework for high-dollar purchases it would drive most people crazy. I have a motto in life when it comes to being a consumer - "I only buy one time. If I have to buy the same product more than once, I did myself a disservice (as well as my $$$). It means that I didn't do my homework as well as I could have. That pisses me off. I work hard for my money, and I should have enough respect for myself and my $$$ to make well-informed decisions".



I truly think that if I had bought the DTT or BD I would have been satisfied - just not AS satisfied as I am with my choice to buy an ATS.



Joel

 

[Bob Wagner]

Joel, you might want to update your signature, some may think that you are only using the transgo shift kit



Bob

 

[Joel Richards]

I am only using the TransGo - until Tuesday... Thanks for the reminder though. .



Joel

 

[Cummins Corvette]

Originally posted by LSMITH

Cummins Corvette,



Dude, get a grip!! You are doing more damage than you can even imagine. I know you are trying to help, but it ain't working. You are making an ___ of yourself too in the process. Clint and Don are good guys and do not deserve the backlash of your rants. People are associating behavior like yours with ATS and that is not right. Strick-9 knows more about trannies than you or I are ever likely to. He did not lie about the clutches welding. He has been fair in his treatment of others and evaluation of what is said. Guys have been giving wrong information and when that is pointed out all of a sudden the guy pointing it out is a liar and a jerk? I think not. How many trannies have you rebuilt? Read posts carefully, and drop the attitude. Calling another man a liar is taken rather seriously by some of us.



Would it be possible to get back the original topic?

I apologize for upsetting you.



Chris stated that he DID weld some clutch packs together by shifting locked to locked when he posted in the “Earthroamer installs triplelok” thread. Then when I referenced that in one of my previous posts, he said that he DID NOT weld the clutches together by shifting locked to locked, but rather did a stall test in reverse and welded the clutches together that way. Both can’t be true.



The part where I took offence was when he said that I posted something untrue when I mentioned that he welded his clutches together by shifting locked to locked. That is where things went south. This has NOTHING TO DO WITH ATS.

 

[KGoode]

not the most powerful, but thankyou. i was being nice i should of said i have at least 200 more hp than kevin. it's more like 250hp. i know what kevin has, why do you think i could give you a #.

CUMINNTSTRKN, I'm not so sure how you think you could give a #, when I don't even know what it is. If you know something about figuring HP without a dyno please let me know. if you take 250 from your 731. 8 that leaves 481. 8 I think your guessing might be alittle off, but I didn't dyno so I guess we both don't know.

the person i'm talking about is kevin goode, he has broken at least one input shaft, twisted a couple of hubs and i'm sure he said that he broke a couple of intermediate shafts. we were just bs'ing so i might not be totally accurate but i'm close. kevin is hard on stuff, but he is still breaking stuff shifting in lock up.

CUMMINNTSTRKN, That must of been the first night in the lobby of the cosino when we were BS'ing. If you remember correctly Steve from BD broke the intermediate shaft on a freshly installed BD transmission when he was doing a stall test on the torque converter.



I broke one hub while stuck in the snow shifting from forward to reverse repeatedly untill I was unstuck and it broke on the way home. I stripped the splines on the hub the night before we left for Vegas. That shaft had only one drive around the block on it. Kind of like yours that broke, must of been a bad shaft, again kind of like yours.



Last but not least the only other shaft that broke was the output shaft on the US Gear overdrive and that was caused by standing on the brake doing a power brake.



So you can see that these shafts didn't break shifting lock to lock.

Where did you get that idea that my shafts have broken from shifting lock to lock?



If my truck only has 481 hp and I got the same pump Piers has, how come he was ahead of you when you guys raced.



Kevin

 

[Cummins Corvette]

Off topic- Kevin- I'm bringing your rags when I come back in June. I hope you exhaust manifold is still ok. :-laf



It is quite a relief to know you didn't break anything shifting while locked. That kind of takes some of the wind out of the sails of the anti-ATS crowd.

 

[KGoode]

Did Kevin hit the dyno? take a 1/4 mile run? pull a sled?

No Bob, I didn't do any of the above. My rear locker got broke and I was scared that I would pop a head gasket with my new twins.

 

[GLASMITHS]

CUMMINS CORVETTE: Where did you get the idea that people are anti-ats?



You can re-read my posts and you must see that I want it to work out. Maybe the next generation transmission will be a cross of the DTT and ATS, strong fluid coupling strong lock-up. And plenty of uprates, master kits, blah blah.



CC: Do you have the Smart Controller now with your DTT? It is great man. Much better than the BD Autolock, and you CAN tweak it some.

 

[CUMINNTSTRKN]

Originally posted by KGoode





CUMINNTSTRKN, I'm not so sure how you think you could give a #, when I don't even know what it is. If you know something about figuring HP without a dyno please let me know. if you take 250 from your 731. 8 that leaves 481. 8 I think your guessing might be alittle off, but I didn't dyno so I guess we both don't know.

yeh i thought you were coming down to dyno on friday and we could have known. sorry i ran out of n20 on the dyno so i was about 60hp low. i don't know what injectors you have but i know the one's piers had were not 370's.

CUMMINNTSTRKN, That must of been the first night in the lobby of the cosino when we were BS'ing. If you remember correctly Steve from BD broke the intermediate shaft on a freshly installed BD transmission when he was doing a stall test on the torque converter.

i have never heard of that before. when doing a stall test the od shaft usaully breaks. [/QUOTE]

I broke one hub while stuck in the snow shifting from forward to reverse repeatedly untill I was unstuck and it broke on the way home. I stripped the splines on the hub the night before we left for Vegas. That shaft had only one drive around the block on it. Kind of like yours that broke, must of been a bad shaft, again kind of like yours.



Last but not least the only other shaft that broke was the output shaft on the US Gear overdrive and that was caused by standing on the brake doing a power brake.



So you can see that these shafts didn't break shifting lock to lock.

Where did you get that idea that my shafts have broken from shifting lock to lock? I thought you were a little different from the rest of these guys that post but I was wrong. Just have to be carefull of who you talk with.

i guess when you were laughing about shifting lock to lock and your broken parts i took it the wrong way? i was hoping you would post, i could not remember our exact conversation, there was a lot of bs'ing going on. as i have said, i don't think there is anything wrong with a ats transmission, it's just the lock to lock that worries me. thanks for letting us use your room to watch the video. sorry we had to wake your wife up.

If my truck only has 481 hp and I got the same pump Piers has, how come he was ahead of you when you guys raced.



Kevin

LOL, lets see piers's truck weighs in around 1000lbs less than mine. when i pulled up to him he let me get the boost upto about 5psi he took off. by the time i hit the middle pf 2nd gear i was on his bumper and was letting off the throttle, i was only running #2. so if we had raced our trucks which weigh about the same, and if you had the same power as piers it would not have been good for you. plus i still had a extra 200-250hp on switches. this was not supposed to be a slam on you, we both know you kicked my butt on the way home by st. george. i hope you get your twins wastegated, so you can compete in these events. it's way more fun to compete. i hope you make it to muncie, then we can settle it on the 1/4 mile track and at the sled pull. the dyno they will have there is the small mustang, it's tuff to keep traction of this type of dyno.



jim

 

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