Truthful Dealer? 600 same as 610?

[QWaller]

I have a dealer trying to sell me an 11-04-04 build 3500 with a 600. He says they reflashed it and now it is a 610. Is this correct or possible? Should I buy a 600 or a true 610 with a 12-21-04 date with regards to improvements or resale? Thanks,

Quinn

 

[jwilliams3]

He is not being deceptive in my opinion.

 

[klenger]

I have never heard any explanation as the difference between the 600 and 610. The HP levels are the same. If you like the truck, get it.

 

[JLovas]

I remember someone here on the forum said that the difference between the 600 and the 610 was that they used a thicker pen when they drew the torque curve on the chart. Like klenger said, that is the best explaination that I've heard so far!

 

[doldenburg]

Lets ask Tommygun-I belive he can tell us if any dealer can

 

[jwilliams3]

Is the 600 he has an 04. 5?

If so buy it!!

The 05's have the cheesy plastic intercooler ends.

 

[juicedcummins]

There are a few guys claiming they got this relash but I for one have not seen any documontation on it.

My build date was 10/?/04 and it already was a 610.

 

[CJ8Rockcrawler]

Honestly... . who really cares about 10 ft lbs of torque when we're talking 600 vs 610... .

 

[CUMMINZ]

600 or 650?

If DC wanted to create a 650 with a reflash they could very easy. They would do the same thing TST or EZ does with their computer upgrades. DC has to meet EPA requirements. They can't go overboard. :{

 

[jcarey]

I believe there is a change to the trans, also, beside the thrust washer. It was some function controlled mechanically (by a lever, maybe???), but is now controlled by the ECM.

 

[jwilliams3]

Who knows what happens when.

There is a member out there who has the DC factory pump in the tank as well as the lift pump on the engine.

Talk about running changes on products! :-laf

 

[tractorseller]

I have an '05 with the "600" engine. Buy it. I haven't had one regret about this one, done some heavy towing with it, and I have no idea who would ever be able to tell it was a "different" engine than the 610.



It was all a numbers game so they could jump ahead of Chevy's 605 Duramax.



While these "600", "610", and "605" numbers on the Dodges and Chevys refer to torque specs, I have been told by reliable sources that the Ford 6. 0 "570" designation is making reference to the number of expected trips to the dealer during the life of the engine.

 

[MLee]

QWaller;

If they reflashed it, have them prove it to you, and put there tool on the port, and show you the proper numbers. Maybe they done the 18-0037-04??????????

Is the salesman's eye BROWN???????? He may be full of it. Just a caution on your part.

Good luck

Marv.

 

[RonsRig]

The reflash was for engine serial numbers 57130285 thru 57246361. If your serial number is beyond this range, then your truck came with the flash already installed.



I feel that when my truck got the reflash it made it a 610. The 04. 5 does have a different program than the 05, but I don't know what the difference is. I can only assume that because the Bully Dog programmer for the 05 is different than the 04. 5 and Bully Dog must know something. They reprogramed the downloader to address the issues with this TSB.



I would say go with the 600 engine because you don't want the plastic intercooler caps.



Ron

 

[Tomeygun]

Lets ask Tommygun-I belive he can tell us if any dealer can

I dont think the reflash STATES for sure that the torque is higher... But there is NO way to tell



Even a dyno would not show the 10 ft-lbs I think

 

[BRayls]

I dont think the reflash STATES for sure that the torque is higher... But there is NO way to tell



Even a dyno would not show the 10 ft-lbs I think

cannot prove the numbers ,so they claim them.

 

[berg]

I just bought a 610. i had a choice of many 610s and 600s so i drove 2 each the 610 run smother and done better on fuel so i took a 610 love it!! it seems that most of the post saying the 600s are the same are from 600 owners!! I also see guys spend any amount to get a little more power, so buying a 610 for the same money a s a 600 is sweet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[doldenburg]

I dont think the reflash STATES for sure that the torque is higher... But there is NO way to tell



Even a dyno would not show the 10 ft-lbs I think

I agree-No 2 Are gonna dyno the same

 

[Mike B.]

funny you should mention the plastic intercooler caps. I was giving my 05 a final inspection today before signing the papers and noticed them. I thought WTF!! first no more fender liners and now a plastic intercooler caps.



Mike