TST PMCR on Two Guys Garage

[ThomasLawrence]

I caught this over the weekend - they did the usual Sam&Dave, "just plug it in, and it's simple" install, but I noticed a few things. First, is TST now claiming a +195HP gain? Second, it was mentioned that the PMCR will de-fuel based on EGT (we always knew that), but now they say it will de-fuel on boost pressure, as well. Then they started talking about a turbo cool-down timer... . it wasn't very clear if this was a "feature" of the PMCR (really doubt it), or if it was just a companion product that TST offered.



So, did Two Guys get some data from Edge and TST mixed up, or has TST added some new features in a later software version, possibly in response to the Juice?



-Tom

 

[Tomeygun]

I caught this over the weekend - they did the usual Sam&Dave, "just plug it in, and it's simple" install, but I noticed a few things. First, is TST now claiming a +195HP gain? Second, it was mentioned that the PMCR will de-fuel based on EGT (we always knew that), but now they say it will de-fuel on boost pressure, as well. Then they started talking about a turbo cool-down timer... . it wasn't very clear if this was a "feature" of the PMCR (really doubt it), or if it was just a companion product that TST offered.



So, did Two Guys get some data from Edge and TST mixed up, or has TST added some new features in a later software version, possibly in response to the Juice?



-Tom

As a dealer for TST, I can say that some new features from TST are around the corner - I held back before, But heck its on tv now... SOOO, I will post when I hear about what the changes will entail (hardware or just software)



PS - Mark is on his way to Vegas right now (as is Brad from DPP/FASS)

Wish I could go

 

[daytripper63]

As a dealer for TST, I can say that some new features from TST are around the corner - I held back before, But heck its on tv now... SOOO, I will post when I hear about what the changes will entail (hardware or just software)



PS - Mark is on his way to Vegas right now (as is Brad from DPP/FASS)

Wish I could go

Whats happening in Vegas?

 

[Tomeygun]

Whats happening in Vegas?

"May madness"





https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?t=128691

 

[Gypsyman]

As much as I love the product I wish Mark would step up to the plate and stop denying the code and running problems that have started with the lastest update to the program. I decided to try a completely new unit at Marks request. Same problems and the kicker is that they charged me a restocking fee for returning a one week old unit that would not run properly on my truck. He's burning bridges that Quad, Edge and VA are going to rebuild to they're own spec. Better late than never.



I'm testing my new stack this week on the drive up to Anchorage. Preliminary results look good. Should be an interesting run.



Richard

 

[Tim]

Maybe you should call Quadzilla. He'll send you a beta project and charge you for it, which makes less power, and you can decide from there if TST is for you.

 

[Gypsyman]

Thanks for your input Tim. I appreciate you looking out for me. :-laf Check my sig. I've already made the change and guess what, I have a product now that doesn't throw codes and cause random problems. I don't have a problem with the TST PMCR and I would love to be able to run it again. What I have a problem with is being lied to by a manufacturer over and over again. I still recommend the TST as the first choice for power if it will work on your truck. However, if you have problems all you'll get is the standard canned answers, excuses, and the classic line "I've never heard of that problem before".



Just my personal experiences over the last 9 months.



Richard

 

[Tomeygun]

Check my sig. I've already made the change and guess what, I have a product now that doesn't throw codes and cause random problems. Richard

When the Xzillaraider first hit, I remember think how dynomite it would stack with a VA duration box...



I will looking forward to some DYNO numbers from you

 

[Gypsyman]

I'll get dyno numbers as soon as I can. I'm leaving for Anchorage in the morning but AKRam said that they have a dyno being built at a shop in Anchorage this spring. If not it'll be close to Christmas before I'm back in the lower 48. I'll keep in touch on my findings and maybe by the time I'm back TST will have some things worked out.



So far she pulls like a mule but the roads are wet here today and I can't hold traction.



Richard

 

[GWoody]

That TST thing is weird, I've only had one problem with mine, knock on wood, and it turned out to be a bad diode in the injector harness.

 

[qzilla]

Maybe you should call Quadzilla. He'll send you a beta project and charge you for it, which makes less power, and you can decide from there if TST is for you.

You wanna wager some serious $$$$$$$ on whether or not the next Dodge beta unit makes less power?



We can set up a trust, then at your expense I will give away all of the beta units?

 

[Gypsyman]

That TST thing is weird, I've only had one problem with mine, knock on wood, and it turned out to be a bad diode in the injector harness.

Mine was flawless until I had the main box flashed with the twins program. After that nothing but problems. I tried going back to the single program and had the same results. After a few weeks of trying different things I just had to give up and move on. I stand by my previous statements that IF it works on your truck it's a thing of beauty. It's not just my truck and I have a growing list of names of people having the same problem with the new program.



I'm hoping to get in on the beta testing for Quad's new unit and I have zero problem with paying for the chance to have some input on the design and finished product.



Richard

 

[GWoody]

Richard, does your injector harness have the diodes in it, the newer harness don't have those, just a thought.

 

[Gypsyman]

In the last 30 days I've had a total of 7 different systems on my truck from a system that was so old it had the ground wire on the timing harness to the brand new unit that I returned last week. Same problems with every one. The only common denominator is the new program. Even spent 6 hours at the TST shop with the whole staff trying to figure it out. One of the techs said that the new program is causing problems on about half of the '03/'04 trucks that try it. They finally just gave up and wanted to know if I could stay in town for the rest of the week and wait for the electrical engineer to fit me into his schedule. Couldn't sit around for four days waiting for him to "fit me in" so I just went on my merry way with the TST in the back seat.



Richard

 

[Tim]

You wanna wager some serious $$$$$$$ on whether or not the next Dodge beta unit makes less power?



We can set up a trust, then at your expense I will give away all of the beta units?

No thanks I have no interest in your product because your business practices suck.



Lashing out at me in the open forum instead of taking it to PM is a prime example of what I'm talking about.



Why don't you go sell some more untested units to people with $40,000 trucks?



At least if you gave them away there'd be no legal reason they could sue you if there is a problem... .

 

[qzilla]

No thanks I have no interest in your product because your business practices suck.



Lashing out at me in the open forum instead of taking it to PM is a prime example of what I'm talking about.



Why don't you go sell some more untested units to people with $40,000 trucks.



At least if you gave them away there'd be no legal reason they could sue you if there is a problem... .

Why pm you? You don't pm me to bash?



Obviously you do have an interest in my product, you can't stop saying my name!



I don't want you to test it, I want you to put your money where your mouth is. You don't want to take me up, because you know I am going to deliver.



I am not lashing out, I am responding. Some poeple sit back and others take action. I am passionate about our products and if that comes out the wrong way to you then I am sorry.





On another note, has anyone tried anything to suppress the noise on the harness? I know from experience that the Cam and Crank sensors are sensitve to an extent. We found that by shielding them and keeping them from the ground on the truck it helped. If you will notice there is a ground wire that most of you run your harness across. Try getting the TST harness away from it and see if the interference is less.



I have a couple of other solutions, if you want to pm you can. I don't really care to divulge any secrets in the forums, but I think that someone should help you guys to not throw codes.



Quad

 

[hasselbach]

No thanks I have no interest in your product because your business practices suck.



Lashing out at me in the open forum instead of taking it to PM is a prime example of what I'm talking about.



Why don't you go sell some more untested units to people with $40,000 trucks?



At least if you gave them away there'd be no legal reason they could sue you if there is a problem... .

Timmy, Quad has been very upfront with his BETA testers. Putting up some money upfront tends to deliver a better, more serious participant. Edge and others do the same as well. I've Beta'd for several companies and have always paid something upfront (all be it at a discounted amount)



You never seem to amaze me with your arrogant comments. You have no idea of Quad's business practices, and seem to put foot in mouth more often than not. Quad makes a great box and products, and has been very customer service friendly.

 

[ZRacer]

Hey Quad, I can say I'm an extremely satisfied customer! What other product on the market can install in less than 15 mins, is in cab adjustable and even make on several different dynos advertised power for $460 and won't throw codes? Yeah I'm a real satisfied customer for sure! I have no experience with your customer service, because my unit has been performing flawlessly and don't need to spend hours on the phone or at your shop to help you do your R&D. I'm not bashing anyones product here at all. I am saying that I will continue to do business with you because you do post here, have an excellent product, and seem to back it up if there are problems. I made the mistake of buying the Std box, wish I'd gone with the Race box instead! I know I can change it, but I am having to much fun driving the truck with the box! Oh the dilemma... :-laf



I did consider going with the TST, but it looks like to much of a hassle to install and I definitely would be changing the turbo and upgrading the trans. Not interested. I am a Drag Racer and I love lots of horsepower-that's what my 78' Camaro is for- not going through tons of headaches on my daily driver only to get the thing to go mid 13's to 14's in the Quarter mile. That's still 4 seconds slower than my Camaro! :-laf I like to modify things, but to go and start really digging into my daily driver just to gain 150-200 Hp and 400+ ft lbs of torque just isn't worth it to me. I suppose that is why there are so many excellent choices for power enhancement on our trucks. Different approachs for different folkses'.

 

[ThomasLawrence]

I like to modify things, but to go and start really digging into my daily driver just to gain 150-200 Hp and 400+ ft lbs of torque just isn't worth it to me.

What digging? Two little connectors on the front of the engine? Yeah... I suppose plugging in a total of 6 electrical connections "JUST" to get 200HP isn't really worth it... 30 minutes work? An entire HALF hour?? Yeah - no one's got that kind of time.



It took my more time to install my gauges than it did to install the TST box. I spend more time washing the crud off my truck than I did to more than double my engine's torque output. But I guess I'm strange, because I think it IS worth my time.



-Tom

 

[Tomeygun]

What digging? Two little connectors on the front of the engine? Yeah... I suppose plugging in a total of 6 electrical connections "JUST" to get 200HP isn't really worth it... 30 minutes work? An entire HALF hour?? Yeah - no one's got that kind of time.



It took my more time to install my gauges than it did to install the TST box. I spend more time washing the crud off my truck than I did to more than double my engine's torque output. But I guess I'm strange, because I think it IS worth my time.



-Tom

Sometimes I almost pity some trucks when they have to install injectors, swap fuel plates, change timing, change Gov springs... For what, 350hp?



one tst+EZ, and your 450 all day long (hot, but still there)



Gotta love the 3rd gens for ease of hp gain



PS - check whats next :

https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?t=129770