TST PowerMax CR Is On!

[LightmanE300]

I'm not 'dissing' tst too hard - I think the box is sweet. I just think they are clearly trying to give the impression through their website that in basic terms you can run +150hp and +500 torque using the stock turbos, etc etc. Just misleading advertising IMO.

 

[DLeno]

sure, I'm not insensitive to that. only pointing out that there are some basic assumptions that we need to carry into the consideration of any performance box, chief among which is the ability to correctly interpret HP claims and to take responsiblity to understand the EGT consequences and how to deal with such.



As regards the particular claims of TST and the tension between such and the capabilities of the stock truck to support that much extra power, well, TST's silver bullet is that with EGT-based defueling you can realize the full output of the box for as long as EGTs remain safe -- and that depends on load, temperature, and elevation, not to mention variability among trucks.



I agree that, at the end of the day, you wont get much out of the stock truck (sustained power) with the TST box. we're all fooling ourselves if we think that duration magic will somehow cure the EGT problem. I just don't know of anyone who thoughtfully understands power modifications that hasn't already realized the air requirements of a 400 RWHP truck: exhaust, intake, and a bigger turbo. In that sense I don't understand the outcry. folks should know better.

 

[Mopar_Mudder]

Originally posted by DLeno

sure, I'm not insensitive to that. only pointing out that there are some basic assumptions that we need to carry into the consideration of any performance box, chief among which is the ability to correctly interpret HP claims and to take responsiblity to understand the EGT consequences and how to deal with such.



As regards the particular claims of TST and the tension between such and the capabilities of the stock truck to support that much extra power, well, TST's silver bullet is that with EGT-based defueling you can realize the full output of the box for as long as EGTs remain safe -- and that depends on load, temperature, and elevation, not to mention variability among trucks.



I agree that, at the end of the day, you wont get much out of the stock truck (sustained power) with the TST box. we're all fooling ourselves if we think that duration magic will somehow cure the EGT problem. I just don't know of anyone who thoughtfully understands power modifications that hasn't already realized the air requirements of a 400 RWHP truck: exhaust, intake, and a bigger turbo. In that sense I don't understand the outcry. folks should know better.

Folks should no better yes. But I have been selling to the public all my life. When it comes right down to it 95% or the public are stupid and believe anything they read and don't really do any research on what they are buying, that is where I the seller comes in. And that is TST's responcibility to inform the public.



Buy the way, we on this site are the 5%, the other 95% see "on a stock truck" and all is good in their mind.

 

[RDietze]

i believe all agree it a remarkable product (with exception of the display)

but to use this product to it's max capability it is going to cost you the accessories as mentioned above by dleno (throw in an automatic transmission).

there is no lieing here..... but don't get caught being naive into thinking that you can use this product and get it's sustained power output without having an engine meltdown.



tst just forgot to put an asterik by their "using stock exhaust, intake, turbo... . " quote that the dyno numbers are not for performance beyond a certain duration under "x" conditions.

 

[RDietze]

Originally posted by Mopar_Mudder

... ... . When it comes right down to it 95% or the public are stupid and believe anything they read and don't really do any research on what they are buying, that is where I the seller comes in.....

that's a conservative percentile

 

[XcumminsX]

Either that or tst automatically assumed No one would be dumb enough to put a chip in the there truck and be able to drive around all day long with around 50% more hp and 100% more torque... Youd have to be a complete idiot to even think that for 1 second. .



Not meant to flame anyone but COME ON. .



Nick

 

[Mopar_Mudder]

Originally posted by XcumminsX

Either that or tst automatically assumed... ... .



Nick

Never Assume



Assumption is the mother of all F... Ups

 

[XcumminsX]

give me a break... Anyone who thinks they can run this box on the max setting all the time with a stock truck shouldnt bomb there truck...

 

[LightmanE300]

nick some people have absolutely no clue- and see this 'power chip thingy' that will make their truck faster, buy it and stomp the pedal - PLENTY of folks that dumb. They will melt their stuff, and YES it's their fault for being ignorant, however I agree with the above statement that the seller has a responsibility to honestly inform the public.



Doug - I never had a problem with knowing that box requires turbo and trans mods to realize it's potential - its a given to most of us. I was simply referring to the misleading the morons advertising tactic



Once I'm out of warranty, I plan on getting a super beef trans upgrade, a huge or twin turbos, and this box. Oh and injectors. LOL. We'll see. Can't wait till more of you get this tst box and test with it!!

 

[Tomeygun]

i have to jump in here now:



I talked to MARK @ tst on the 12th of dec when I ordered the powermax CR... i asked how much boost is he pulling on the dyno, he said stock turbo - 43ish pounds... woah!! i think i will call edge and order the boost elbow from the EZ (35 LBS)... and just run at lower levels



Tom

 

[Mopar_Mudder]

Originally posted by tomeygun

i have to jump in here now:



I talked to MARK @ tst on the 12th of dec when I ordered the powermax CR... i asked how much boost is he pulling on the dyno, he said stock turbo - 43ish pounds... woah!! i think i will call edge and order the boost elbow from the EZ (35 LBS)... and just run at lower levels



Tom

My EZ elbow will go in the 36-38 area when pulling heavy. 34-35 empty. I agree that 43 seems to be really pushing it.

 

[d90boy]

It should be clear that TST did not lie about anything. He developed this box using the stock engine as a baseline so everyone knows where they stand. They made no false claims as to what the box can do. Now I will whole heartedly agree that the website should be updated to include some info we all know to be true already. It would include things like:



1. The box should not be used over level ___ while keeping the stock lift pump.

2. A combination adding up to 6 should not be used for towing.

3. A setting of ___ or above will produce EGTs beyone what the stock air system can manage.

4. The stock turbocharger should not be subjected to boost pressures greater than ___.

5. Stock 48REs can handle setting ___, stock manuals can handle setting ___.



Maybe the printed material already adresses some of these issues. They adress similar issues when recommending different fuel plates so this should be no different. Anyone got the instructions handy yet?

 

[XcumminsX]

D90BOY i agree with you 100%



Nick

 

[DLeno]

just realize that as soon as a vendor gets that specific they open themselve up to further liability than they already are. I wouldn't expect TST to go there. We all want guidelines but the available data is so incomplete and so specific to individual conditions it would be not be fruitful for any vendor to give specific recommendations except those that represent the most conservative approach. look at DD recommendations for examples.

 

[Big MAK]

Take a Breath

We need to be careful with vendor specific discussions; don't want to see this degrade and then have to delete it. It's been mostly informative.



That aside; IMO I don't think TST spoke anything but the truth. They do achieve those power levels on a stock truck. But we all (and reasonable people) know if you don't want to break stock parts you have to dial that TST box to a max temp and boost setting. At that point it doesn't matter if you have the box maxed on everything; it cuts back before stuff gets toasted. At-least that's my impression... . but then you wouldn't get to feel that power, so the limits are removed and poof! Uh-oh; busted stuff.



As for me; I totally love the thought of a box I can grow into instead of out of!!!!!!!!!!!



I get enough "you can't do that; it's too __________ (fill in the blank)"... . give me the max and let me find my own limit!



"I Am My Own Warranty Station" (once my new truck is bombed)

 

[blake underwood]

Just got off the phone w/ TST to find out when I will recieve my PowermaxCR. Since they are working on the DEC. 12 orders right now, I guess I will have a wait. I ordered mine JAN. 2. They said their will be 100 more ready to ship in 2 weeks, which is when I will recieve mine, and they will call me to notify me that my credit card has been charged and that my PowermaxCR is on its way. There is currently 250 people on the waiting list. My truck is pretty well set-up to handle what the PowermaxCR has to offer (see my sig), except for the fuel pump. Which will be upgraded to a FAAS before my TST box goes on. Another important note is TST says the PowermaxCR has a 30 day money back guarantee.

 

[Floor It]

T. S. T has lied about nothing! The power that they have made is on a stock enigne. The one thing that is not stock is the clutch,because the stock clutch would not hold to let them see how much power they could make from the motor. Some of you are upset that you cant use that power for towing or what ever. How many people here have the Edge comp and can run on power level 5 and WOT and not have egt problems = none. So what the diff with this box,TST never said that you could. Mark has been testing all the different box programs with the same turbo and hasent popped it yet! Now for me, I'm not known to be easy on things. My transmission is slipping and I'm still gonna hammer it, just not in a taller gear to make it slip. I've been doing it mostly in lower gears to be some what easy on it. So far my crusing egts are down only a bit because the B1 doesent have as much boost when running down the road,but when I'm pulling a hill it seems that the egts are about 75 to 80 deg lower. When I was in power setting 4 and tq 3 I could set off the over temp program setting at 1300 deg, so I dont know how hot it would have gotton,I'm gonna find out out tonight, but in the same power setting with the B1 I could only get to 1145deg. I love the digital egt gauge because it shows the temp down to the nats a**. I"m going out tonight and do some more egt testing and also try and maybe fry up some rice, BURNERS! and maybe for dessert a power choke and duradud too I'll post way later tonight.



John

 

[SRadke]

So in general you see lower temps with the B1. Do you see where there would be an issue towing with the setup you have right now, I mean, if the power level were set at a reasonable level? Thanks for all the info, it's people like you that make this site so great.



-Scott

 

[Floor It]

I cant see that there would be a problem at all. Spool up is still very fast. I would have to think that it could only be better with this turbo. Not to mention that with this kind of power on tap that a very stout turbo would be a very good thing.



John

 

[Floor It]

Oh, yes the temps are down at crusing a bit but seem to be down alot when into it hard.



John