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I am looking into a "tuning" box, but have a few specific questions for any of yall who have tinkered around with the various boxes.

I am mainly interested in timing with a boost fooler of some type and something that eliminates the "pilot injection". A little added fuel would also be nice, but not anything too wild at this time.

I have the "X Monitor" boost/pyro, the AFE air intake and 4" Rip Rook exhaust. I have plans for an ATS manifold at the time of fueling upgrades. Any suggestions on a box for timing, boost fooling, pilot injection elimination and maybe some mild fueling? I prefer an "all in one" type of box if there is such a thing!

Thanks for the help!

John
 
119 "views" and no replies? Come on yall "sea of electrons" experts, please help this ole 12 valve nut out with powering up my new overly electronic truck.

any suggestions would be greatly appreciated from any of yall who have tried and like a particular tuning box.

Thanks
 
The only box I know of that offers timing only at this point is TST's PMCR. Setting #1 is timing advance only with no additional fuel. I've ever heard of turning the pilot injection off and frankly don't know why you would want to do so (unless you just want it loud). :D The Edge Juice will also have this feature if it is ever released and the VA duration box may as well, I don't know.



-Scott
 
Banks six gun and PDQ volumizer do timing. Just from looking at the power they make I'd say they do timing not as agressively as the TST. see

fueling box matrix for more info. the matrix is incomplete but thats what I have to date. working on getting more data-based information and objective comparisons. --Doug
 
We are in the process of bringing our "race" module back to full production. I would not call it mild, but there are mild settings on it. It does timing, fuel and boost fooling.



The harnesses start production in about 10 days and the boards start about the same time. I would say 4-6 weeks on the lead time right now.



It has been slightly changed to solve any problems that we had on the first go around. So far in testing it has been basically flawless. I have also seen it make near 160hp!!!



It is not nearly as violent or strong right off the bottom as the TST. It is more linear and more usable for the average guy.



I will keep you updated as we progress.





Quad
 
SRadke: no, the Volumizer and Banks boxes are not capable of timing without additional fueling.



But they are "all-in-one" boxes in that respect, unless you want more agressive timing. For that you would need the Edge Juice or the TST box. And I don't know what level of timing we will see on the Juice -- for all I know it may not be as aggressive as what TST is doing.
 
What ever you do stay away from VanAken, makes good power but gets way to hot to be able to utilize any of it, I'm sick of mine.
 
VA box

Originally posted by GWoody

What ever you do stay away from VanAken, makes good power but gets way to hot to be able to utilize any of it, I'm sick of mine.
Is your EGT running away at the top of the rpm range or at the bottom,I'm assuming you are using the duration box.
 
Yes, duration, towing 12000 set at 50%, the box performs better than stock, less rpm drop on hills and you can baby the throttle to keep egt in a safe range. Same hills towing 18000, egt gets too hot to maintain a decent speed, go to the stock setting and mash the throttle down and speed is better with safe egt, keep in mind this is the 600 which has a reputation for higer egt than any previous engines. My exhaust side of the turbo and the cast piece just after the turbo are a slight blue color from running 1250 so much. I try to not let it get over that except for very short periods of time.
 
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Originally posted by GWoody

Yes, duration, towing 12000 set at 50%, the box performs better than stock, less rpm drop on hills and you can baby the throttle to keep egt in a safe range. Same hills towing 18000, egt gets too hot to maintain a decent speed, go to the stock setting and mash the throttle down and speed is better with safe egt, keep in mind this is the 600 which has a reputation for higer egt than any previous engines. My exhaust side of the turbo and the cast piece just after the turbo are a slight blue color from running 1250 so much. I try to not let it get over that except for very short periods of time.
I sent you a PM.
 
Does anyone have the VA duration box on a 305 with intake and exhaust? That experiment is in my future, to see if air gives us much relief in the EGT department. Other than that, I'm still in favor of stacking the VA duration box with a pressure box -- that gives you some relief from the EGT problem with duration alone, and with air mods on a 305 it might be workable. I'm afraid I don't have experience with the 600.



As an aside, if you follow Edge's lead in the pressure department, you shouldn't add more than about 70 HP with pressure only. So if you don't want to add injectors, the only way to go above 70 HP is with a duration box. and the only two choices now are TST and VA -- TST being a more risky choice if you keep your stock turbocharger. The VA runs hot, but it does not hit the turbo nearly as hard. The flip side of that problem is that if you go above 70 HP you need to upgrade your turbocharger anyway, at least if you plan to utilize that HP in a sustained towing situation and not just a quick flash in the pan race or dyno run. Again, my experience and observations with the 305, not the 600.



I learned very early on in my VA experience that best results are obtained with the VA duration box turned down to level 1 and a stacked pressure box of your choice, including of course the VA pressure box.



As regards the 600, I would imagine that this puppy would run hotter with the VA than the 305, simply due to the fact that timing is already heavily retarded comparatively. So that means the worst possible EGT problem would occur on a stock 600. As I say, the data isn't all in yet on the 305 with intake and exhaust, fitted with ~ 50 HP worth of presssure and the VA duration box turned down to level 1. The pressure alteratives available on the 600 include a few of the pressure boxes ranging from VA to Ramifier. the EZ is notably absent from the list, and reading in between the lines, that means 70 HP with pressure may trip the pressure box "detector" present on that engine (the ECM senses a delta between CP3 set point and fooled pressure from the box).



However, I do agree that the VA duration box by itself runs too hot to be completely useful. It is also too strong at the low end for the stock clutch. But I don't personally think pressure is any better way to get 100HP because of the question of rail pressure. thats just my opinion from observing a few mfgs out there that are getting conservative about pressure (Edge, VA, Banks, all of which are below 24,500 psi and below 70 HP with their std products).



One dilemma we have is that 70HP pushes the limit of the stock turbocharger anyway, so you really need a different huffer to go beyond that. We should hear from guys with Quadzillas, Volumizers, and Ramifiers to see if they are able to utilize fully 100% of their 100HP boxes for sustained power in a towing situation, with stock turbos. my point is that if you're going beyond 70 HP, you could do it by stacking duration with pressure because thats better than 100HP with either pressure alone or duration alone. The VA duration/pressure stack is also easier on the stock turbocharger than the TST box is, but again you won't completely utilize all that power either without a huffer upgrade. such is life when you want to play I guess. There just isn't an optimum solution right now without injectors. Funny, Diesel Dynamics has been selling stage 2 injectors and their flavor of the EZ box for a LONG time now, and it has been proven many times over to be a very solid solution. with a huffer upgrade of course.
 
The exhuast valves close earlier in the 3g's than the 2g's for the purposes of emmisions. When increasing duration this gets to be a problem because the truck is fueling too late in the cycle and high egts are the outcome. Adding timing helps with this but you cant add enough to cope with the heat created by agressive duration settings. For this reason I feel that duration alone such as the VA duration box is a poor choice. Outside of that box opinion is going to vary widely but IMO your best bet for a truck that is not going to climb the hp ladder would be one of the timing/duration boxs such as The TST or upcoming Edge offering. Or simply a pressure box such as the EZ alone. Personally I would just get an EZ and some gauges if I knew I was not going to bomb my truck. Good power, range of power is suited well for towing, easy to pull out of truck when needed, stock parts are not unduly stressed, no worries about being tempted into turning it up to a setting that WILL damage parts in the stock truck. If you are going to bomb its a no-brainer, a stack is the only way to go.
 
agreed. the only thing I would add is that the TST box hits the stock turbocharger very hard, so that makes this one a poor choice for a mild bomb. so if you're not planning an agressive HP bomb, then a moderate pressure box like the EZ is certainly a good choice. Even more conservative is the VA pressure box. Even the Banks six gun keeps pressure low without the speed loader.



Unfortunately we dont' know enough about the Juice yet.
 
What about timing, I bought the Va box with the understanding they were working on timing, now I'm hearing that they won't be offering it. Timing might not solve all of the egt issues but it would have to help. If they don't offer timing I think they should offer to buy back anyones box that wants to send it back. I feel like I have been scamed!!!!!!!!!!
 
Originally posted by krabman

The exhuast valves close earlier in the 3g's than the 2g's for the purposes of emmisions. When increasing duration this gets to be a problem... .



This is exactly true. What you really need to allow the fuel in there is a diffrent cam. :D



-Scott
 
Gwoody: VA is definately working on timing. the question is, and always has been, can they offer timing with a programming change to the existing hardware. when I got my VA box Danny @ precision diesel made it clear to me that if VA could offer timing with the same hardware, they would do the upgrade for free if you already have purchased the duration box. There was never, to my knowledge any promise or commitment to do that unless it could be done with a software change.



So as not to spread rumors, I must say I do NOT KNOW how VA is progressing on timing and if they can offer it with the existing hardware. I do know that they ARE working on it. Just realize that if they come out with timing it may require a different box because the hardware may be more complex than what we have on our pure duration boxes.



so I would hold the scammed thought for at least a bit. I would hope for a trade in program of some sort as well.
 
I would hope for a trade in program as well! I know I bought my VA early and I still am very pleased with it. I am hoping for timing to cool off the EGT on the full setting. In the meantime Iwas thinking of looking at the Volumizier. If I'm not mistaken it does some timing (although not sure how looking at the connectors in the web pic!) and some pressure. Maybe the timing will help on the EGT's, that and maybe a little water injection... ... ... .....
 
I will admit my temper has got me angry at this situation, but truthfully this box should have never been put on the market for the 600 creating the kind of temperatures that it does. In my estimation we are only able to utilize about 15% of this animals bite due to the high egt.
 
Yep, the cam is a hump we need to jump. I have been doing my share and dropping not at all subtle hints with various vendors.
 
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