TV Today - Spike - Banks Cummins/Hot Rod Truck

[mberry]

I agree with you Big MAK. Thank you.

 

[caryain]

I hope all of the negative responses didn't run PeterT off. I enjoy hearing about all of the new products available for our trucks. Unfortunatly, I don't have the time or more importantly, money to spend on all of the new products but, I do enjoy reading about them and knowing they are available.



I don't know if Banks produced the numbers as stated on the show or not. I am guessing he probably did under ideal conditions and not a "real world environment". I personally don't care. I am sure the TST can't be operated on the highest settings either. I don't care. I don't care if someone supposedly burned #6 piston because of a Banks system. I don't care if the TST is setting codes. I think these instances are few and far between compared to the number of units sold. If you guys want something to complain about, go buy a ford and login to The Diesel Stop and chime in with all the Ford guys who are having their share of problems.



My point is, Venders, don't let the few negative people deprive the rest of us who are here for gaining information.



Thanks and have a great day.

 

[driverno8]

Hassell -



Here's your answers. 1. I never onced towed on 5 or 6. Not sure where you got that. At the time of the failure I was on 4. My 6 gun instructions say I can tow on 5. I'll be more then happy to fax it to you if you like. I'm not sure if Banks has gone back and changed their recomenations but mine says 5 is ok to tow. I was on 4 to be safe. 2. Their by-pass didn't work. It did absolutly nothing. The reason I made the comment about them going to lunch is becuase the bypass didn't work and I was stuck in the slow lane on the busiest freeway in CA with my 10,000lbs rv behind me. (1st incedint, week before the failure) Truck died then wouldn't start. If you had had this problem and your bypass didn't work you'd want answers immediatly before you get run over. To get your answers you call the manufactur and their all at lunch. I'm sorry, you'd be ****** your self. Also, I'm not sure where you heard I thrash my truck. What a stupid thing to say. I spent $45K on it. I don't thrash it. If I want to drive it hard I'm going too. According the big shiny Banks ads I can and nothings going to happen. So what if I get on it hard from what light to the next. Everyone here has done that. I'll spend the rest of my life telling my story. I know I'll never see one penny out of them. It'll cost me more to get an attorney and fight it then what I'd recoup. But I want people to know how I was treated there. It was fine upto the failure. After that I was treated like crap. Then they stopped talking, thinking I'd go away. To this day I'm waiting for an answer as to what exactly was faulty with the 6 Gun. I was just told it was bad. Well what's bad with it?

 

[John_P]

hasselbach:



After reading that link which "banshee" posted maybe your the one

who needs to "chill out" huh???



I have no problem with you personally so I will keep this short,

although some of the other TDR members have told me you like

to make problems with other members of this site.



Let me answer some of your statements... ... ... ... ... ... ...

First off, your right, Gale Banks probably does know more about

diesels than I do. But I never said I knew more than he did so

I don't know where you got that from!!! But, I can tell you that

IMO Mark Chapple @ TST DOES KNOW just as much if not more

than Gale Banks about diesel performance!! As I pointed out,

he has over 30 years experience, NOT the nine (9) Banks says

he does. IMO, that is wrong and I said so!!! You are upset

that I don't "get on my soapbox against TST!" The reason I

don't is because I have never had ANY problems with ANY of

TST's Products and have been doing business with them since

1997!! IMO, Mark and Gina Chapple are two of the nicest

people in the diesel performance business and their products

have worked very well for me personally!! I also don't see TST

making "false or misleading" claims about their competitors.

As far as "driverno8", no I don't think it was all his fault!! He

and I do businees with another fine company (Scheid Diesel)

and we have talked back and forth about what happened to

him. He just posted explaining his side but I know you and

some others here won't believe what he has to say. But

the Banks ads (as driverno8 pointed out to you) just don't

add up!!! "driverno8" has a right to post his experiences here

just like you and everyone else. He did just that and is now

taking heat for it. Personally, I am glad he posted what he

did!! Thanks Matt!!



So "hasselbach" I guess you and I just see things differently

when it comes to Banks! And that my friend is what makes this

country and this website such a GREAT place to be!!!



--------

John_P

 

[banshee]

My post of love to hasselbach got deleted :{



Since it did I'll tell him again:



Get your truck six gunned by your buddy Bank$ and let me know if you're up for the challenge. I'll be happy to blow your doors off to show you what a real tuning company can do :-laf

 

[PeterT]

John P,

You misread the ad. It states that TST Products has been in business for 9 years. It says nothing about how much experience Mark Chapple has with diesels. Mark is a retired Cummins engineer, but has only run TST since his retirement. Gale has been in business selling high performance products for both gasoline and diesel applications for over 46 years. The ad that you read was making that comparison.



Yes, you are right, a diesel powered dragster beat the Sidewinder Dakota (which weighs more than twice as much as the dragster) in a drag race. The Sidewinder Dakota was designed to perform in speed record attempts. It currently holds the international land speed record of 217 mph (two way average) with a top speed of 222 mph. It was designed for land speed records. The fact that it doesn’t drag race very well is not a big surprise. However, as I recall, it still was the fastest diesel pickup truck at that event running in the low 12’s. We have experimented with ATS transmission products but have not been satisfied with the results. I can assure you that the torque converter product that you saw on the show was not made by either ATS or Pro-Torque.



I am not going to discuss the McDonald (driverno8) situation on this website. I have been in numerous conversations with him in the past, and there are details about his situation that simply have not and should not be discussed in a public forum.



F-15I Ra’am,

The truck dynoed at about 450 at the rear wheels which would put it over 500 at the flywheel.



tomeygun,

Yes, the Sidewinder Dakota engine is a 3rd generation common rail engine.



Vaughn MacKenzie,

The controller for the VG turbo will be able to operate without a Six-Gun. Since the signals that were needed for the turbo (boost, throttle position, etc) were already present in the Six-Gun wiring, it was easiest to make the controller integrate with the Six-Gun for the prototype, but with different wiring it could be used separate.



I enjoy providing technical information to those who are interested in it, and I will continue to do so as long as it is reasonable to do so.



Peter Treydte

Banks Power

 

[driverno8]

I want to know why it can't be discussed in a public forum?

 

[hasselbach]

John P,

You misread the ad. It states that TST Products has been in business for 9 years. It says nothing about how much experience Mark Chapple has with diesels. Mark is a retired Cummins engineer, but has only run TST since his retirement. Gale has been in business selling high performance products for both gasoline and diesel applications for over 46 years. The ad that you read was making that comparison.



Yes, you are right, a diesel powered dragster beat the Sidewinder Dakota (which weighs more than twice as much as the dragster) in a drag race. The Sidewinder Dakota was designed to perform in speed record attempts. It currently holds the international land speed record of 217 mph (two way average) with a top speed of 222 mph. It was designed for land speed records. The fact that it doesn’t drag race very well is not a big surprise. However, as I recall, it still was the fastest diesel pickup truck at that event running in the low 12’s. We have experimented with ATS transmission products but have not been satisfied with the results. I can assure you that the torque converter product that you saw on the show was not made by either ATS or Pro-Torque.



I am not going to discuss the McDonald (driverno8) situation on this website. I have been in numerous conversations with him in the past, and there are details about his situation that simply have not and should not be discussed in a public forum.



F-15I Ra’am,

The truck dynoed at about 450 at the rear wheels which would put it over 500 at the flywheel.



tomeygun,

Yes, the Sidewinder Dakota engine is a 3rd generation common rail engine.



Vaughn MacKenzie,

The controller for the VG turbo will be able to operate without a Six-Gun. Since the signals that were needed for the turbo (boost, throttle position, etc) were already present in the Six-Gun wiring, it was easiest to make the controller integrate with the Six-Gun for the prototype, but with different wiring it could be used separate.



I enjoy providing technical information to those who are interested in it, and I will continue to do so as long as it is reasonable to do so.



Peter Treydte

Banks Power

Peter, I commend you for your mature and business-like response to some pretty ridiculos, attacking and petty posts by some of the members. I for one enjoy your posts and have learned that some here on the site take pleasure in jumping on the band wagon about concepts that they haven't a clue about. (its amusing that some don't even know the difference between a full dragster and a street driven, Bonneville racer :-laf ) I have personally toured your Azusa operations, and have found it to be extremely impressive. Gale has been one to always inform those that are interested of new concepts, and is a leader in the industry.



Keep the information coming. I am very interested in your new turbo concept and feel it has the benefits of a dual turbo set up, yet the simplicity of a single unit. Just please keep the price reasonable and I'm ready to be one of your first buyers. (oh, can I have Gale's or your home and cell number just in case I run into problems on the freeway )

 

[Tomeygun]

tomeygun,

Yes, the Sidewinder Dakota engine is a 3rd generation common rail engine.



Vaughn MacKenzie,

The controller for the VG turbo will be able to operate without a Six-Gun. Since the signals that were needed for the turbo (boost, throttle position, etc) were already present in the Six-Gun wiring, it was easiest to make the controller integrate with the Six-Gun for the prototype, but with different wiring it could be used separate.



Peter Treydte

Banks Power

Now that it is for sure that the sidewinder is a common rail engine

All I can say to that 735hp is



That HAS to be the record for the 3rd gens, right????

(I have heard of NO others that have crossed the 700hp mark and not to mention... with a single turbo)



Congrats on that feat!

 

[mberry]

Thank you PeterT. I would like to know what actuates the movement in the vGT? Is it hydraulic or ??? I really don't know much about them at all. Thanks.

 

[Hercules130]

so could you give me a ballpark figure for how much it will cost and when it will be available?

 

[SClements]

I thought the Extreme4x4 show was pretty cool. They showed some sweet bolt ons for our trucks. I was running a TST and DD Jammer turbo. Unfortunately I smoked the turbo, but it was really cool while it lasted, and I'm pretty sure it was my own fault :-laf I'm now going to give the Six-Gun a try and see how it works. The TST was awesome, but even on lower settings it was so powerful and came on so fast I couldn't see the truck being as reliable as I want it to be. I don't know if the new turbo that Banks is coming out with will like a TST on 9-9, but I think it looks like it should be a good strong unit for daily driving and towing with what ever box is being used. I especially like the air-air cooler and exhaust manifold. And really the banks stuff I bought isn't too stupidly priced compared to any of the other power adders out there. It is definitely very high quality well engineered parts, I'll run them for awile and see how they work.



PeterT



Are the parts shown on the show going to available in the near future???



Thanks,

Seane

 

[John_P]

O. K. Peter fair enough on the ad as far as how long Mark Chapple has

been running his TST business, but you and Gale both know he has

ALOT more experience than that! To set you and "Mr. Know-it-All"

(hasselbach) straight, I am well aware of the differences between

your Sidewinder and the Scott Bentz Dragster! But you guys are the

ones that brought it to run against him! And FWIW, on that day I recall

that Gale asked Clint Cannon "Why the street Dodge CTD trucks were

sitting at the lights holding the brakes and revving the diesel engines

up??" Reason: To build boost so the trucks can take off good!! I

personally watched your driver try twice to leave the line WITHOUT

building ANY boost at all!! He "barked" the turbo so bad I really thought

it might be damaged. So, you tell me who are the ones with all the

knowledge of diesel performance??? And also, I recall that two of

the ATS trucks were in the low 12's that day also! You say you have

"experimented with ATS products and have not been satisfied with the

results. " Fine,..... but it was O. K. for your staff to tell myself and others

that the purple ATS Transmission in the Sidewinder on that day "was

a Banks Transmission????" BTW, there are pictures to prove that in

case anyone is interested. I also never said that ATS was building your

torque converters and only asked you if "Pro-Torque" was. What is funny

to me is that about four years ago when Clint Cannon released his

ATS TripleLok Converter with the billet cover and triple disc design

everyone said it would never work!!! I guess they work pretty good

(and they do as I own two of them) because now everywhere you look

including TC's from Dunrite, Suncoast and even BANKS, their advertising

now shows of all things... ..... multi-disc TC's with billet covers and in your

case I saw what looked like a multi-disc converter with a billet cover

but what appeared to be a round tab design! Guess you guys can't

use the square tab design because Clint Cannon has a patent on that

design!!



One last thing Peter as long as we are on the issue of Mark Chapple

and TST. I think everyone should also know that Gale Banks originally

bought his fuel curve torque plates (cam plates for Cummins 12 valve

engines P7100 Pumps) from Mark @ TST! This was done until Banks

had time to copy Marks design and get their own manafacturer to

build them. Granted, Mark had no patent or anything but that is

just another example of what I am referring to.



Lastly, I understand and respect your position on the McDonald

Incident. But, I will say that your advertising just doesn't add up

when you apply it to what happened to him! That "Bypass" just

didn't work!!! I feel sorry for Mr. McDonald.



-------

John_P

 

[MMotschman]

In defense of banks I have a six gun and could not be happier. the poiwer increase is great. I pulled a 12000# trailer up the cajon pass and held 70mph with EGTs never exceeding 825 degrees post turbo even on level 5 with my foot on the floor. I was very pleased with the installation and with the ability to quickly turn the power up when I need it and right back down when I don't. I too am interested in the VG turbo and the intercooler so please keep the information coming. I see about 17mpg at 80, 19mpg at 70 and 24mpg at 60 with 35 inch mud tires. My only complaint is the reccomened placement of the switch. I can't see it when I'm driving (steering wheel is in the way) so I have to count the clicks of power levels to change it. I recomend finding a better place for it. PeterT is there any chance of screwing something up when I quickly turn it down to 1 then count the clicks up to take me to the power level I want?

 

[jwilliams3]

Good Post John!

 

[Saccowboy]

i wish some of you guys would grow up, your starting to sound like 6th graders and the bickering is getting a little OLD!!!! if i was trying out new products on my test vehicle i wouldnt tell you ***** about it either, that would kinda defeit the purpose. i mean think about it when you pull up next to someone at a street light or a drag strip do u expect them to tell u everything that they have done to their truck. . if you do your a fool!!



ive tried power products from all the big companies; banks, bullydog, edge, and TST(current product) so ive got a little experience with all of them.

now on the subject of banks products, i have the monster exhaust and (had ) the six gun and speedloader, it more than lived up to what they claimed it would add but they claim best gain numbers when advertising which sounds good but i found that the peak to peak numbers were a little more usefull on the dyno sheets. i was overall very pleased with the setup the defueling worked verywell temps stayed down. just not the potential for the kinda power i wanted due to the rail pressure already being raised.



now if someone has a problem with their truck or accessories that they add, which almost always states something like "install at your own risk, you accept full responsibility for the actions you take not holding such and such a company responsible". when alot of people have trouble with a given product then its reason for concern maybe the product is bad, but when its a handfull of people maybe its something else going on like DC failure or too much operator endulging. it sucks but its true you are your own warranty station once you fall into the bombing pit!!



P. S. keep the info coming Banks man

Sincerely,

Will

 

[Big MAK]

If I remember right the land speed 3rd gen engine had a custom fuel rail and that's one of the reasons it cracked the hp barrier we're seeing. Peter -please- put my name on the list to buy that when it becomes available!

 

[pwerwagn]

So hasselbach, how did that race with the supra turn out? :-laf That was the best thread ever. I was so dissapointed when it got closed.

I for one believe Mr. Mcdonald. I too have had problems with Banks. They did kinda set it straight (an exhaust brake system for an 02), but they still were full of crap to begin with. They flat out lied to us. plain and simple. Im not bashing them, though, even though we lost money due to their lie. I also have sent them email's that were never responded to. Im glad some of you have had good experiences, though.

I feel that Banks USED to be a leader in diesel tech. anymore, I feel they spend their time on marketing hype. Again, these are my opinions.

I believe ATS also had a VGT setup at the ATS open house a few weeks ago, didnt they?

So, MR Banks, was it an ATS trans in the truck for the race that was mentioned?

 

[TCDiesel]

Why do People even deal with Banks when their are Many Reputable Local dealers available,I for One have Told Banks they should stop selling directly to the Public MSRP,But that"s Up to Gale ,all it does is create Problems for both customer and authorize Dealers. Here is My investigation on Driverno8 http://www.tdr1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=123657 Last Post

Buy from a Local dealer that can Handle Banks that carries some inventory,So when problems develop they can be locally and NOT on the internet, If you have a problem with some company try to resolve it in the spirit of mildness,In general the results are favorable, If they are not open to agreements,You can always be like them But they can never be like you. If you want to have the biggest building downtown just tear the rest Down,Unfortunately GBE sometimes Has this attitude,But Other Do also,Your competition is not your enemy they are you competitors and should be treated as such.





On Edit, I Did not get a chance to watch the show, I hope To catch it later .

 

[driverno8]

TWest - Thanks for putting up the link. Anyone want one let me know.