Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel Conversion

[C. Harlan]

No Comment... I know alot of us smoke intentionally, me being one, as well as some other people whom post in here. I am not taking sides, but do we really need to be so ugly to each other? Can't respect other people's opinions without a fight ensuing? Just a thought to ponder.



-Chris-

 

[LightmanE300]

Ya my apologies for stooping as low as fatcat did, by calling me a gov't stooge... shouldn't have sunken to his level, and I was just saying to someone today how I appreciated that the people on the cummins forums had respect for eachother without the catfights... one of my poor moments, what can I say, I lost it... . I'll edit the post.

 

[LightmanE300]

Charlan, I agree sometimes it can be fun to smoke some dumb ricer. The bigger picture point was that the tons of black smoke from dump trucks, semi's, garbage trucks, etc etc will be greatly reduced, benefitting all. I know high performance dieselers aren't the main contributor to the emissions problems. Either way, the joy of smoking some ricer out will only be around for a while... so enjoy it while it lasts Again, my apologies to the community for stooping to fatcat's level... . I have a lot of respect for this forum and the cummins forums in general...

 

[Rman]

I was referring to FATCAT's forcible argument and the manner in which he made it, and the fact that his ignorance on the matter was shining through. Last i checked that was the meaning of eloquent... if you would care to correct me then be my guest.



And if your going to question my knowledge on the subject matter and automatically assume you know more, i would suggest you might want to step back a little and perhaps understand that you are not the authority on this subject. I went to school, I spent a full semester dedicated to this subject. And just where in my posts can you note my so called lack of knowledge?



I've just accepted the fact that I would be fighting a battle that cannot be won. I think you've come to the wrong place to win support, but there is no harm in being informative. Although most seem to write off informative as some tree hugging greenie at times.

 

[LightmanE300]

Rhickman, no offense intended... it was hard to tell from your post if you were referring to my post as ignorant, or fatcats... . and if you read my comments, I said if you were agreeing with me that's great, although I certainly wouldn't call fatcat's post eloquent..... and when I say eloquent I mean facile... which his post was not...



While I don't question your knowledge on the subject... you also should step back with your comments as you don't know anything about my education or background either... . not challenging your knowledge but one semester hardly makes anyone an expert in anything... .



Glad we agree on this topic. Not trying to win people over, just post some information on the inevitable change that's coming... which is a good thing!!

 

[mcoleman]

What I can't figure out is why Europe seems to be after a totally different bi-product than our own epa nazi's. They have a sulfur ppm of 350 currently compared to our 500ppm but their main concern is co2 where our epa's main concern is nox. European diesel also has a 51 cetane rating. I personally would rather run bio-diesel to help support the amercian farmer anyway and it has no sulfur and has a high rate of lubricity to begin with. But I have no dealers in my area. If the republic of california gets their wish there will be no diesels in the entire state. I can't remember where I found the read on what they were proposing but it would make it almost impossible to own a diesel there. I think for the most part they want electric cars and bicycles. Time to start stocking up on fuel additives. I've also read the stuff that Vaughn posted and I tend to agree with his post entirely. I will pretty much always take the word of an independent testing company over our EPA. And tests have proven that our ozone and air qualities are already improving much to the dismay of the doomsday preaching epa nazi's who need something to sustain their jobs.

 

[LightmanE300]

McCollister & Co.

111 South Moniteau Ave

Sedalia, MO 65301 Jeff Barnes 660-827-7473



MFA Oil Company

522 Main

Lockwood, MO 65682 Steve Lasater 417-537-4912 B2-B20



MFA Oil Company

2507 N Stadium

Columbia, MO 65202 Dustin Snodgrass 573-445-6549 B2-B20



MFA Oil Company

Junction 17 & Hwy HH

Crocker, MO 65452 Gene Martin 573-736-5217 B2-B20



MFA Oil Company

Hwy 19 South

Cuba, MO 65453 Cliff Wood 573-885-2211 B2-B20



MFA Oil Company

3445 N Hwy 79

Elsberry, MO 63343 Lindell Riffle 573-898-3249 B2-B20



MFA Oil Company

127 North

Sweet Springs, MO 65351 Kevin Wulff 660-335-4112 B2-B20



MFA Oil Company

Hwy 59 N

Fairfax, MO 64446 Bob Erwin 660-686-2477 B2-B20



MFA Oil Company

2760 N Bus. 54

Fulton, MO 65261 Fred Trowbridge 573-642-9410 B2-B20



MFA Oil Company

709 W Main

Cole Camp, MO 65325 Jeffery Waibel 660-668-3214 B2-B20



MFA Oil Company

Hwy 87& South

Glasgow, MO 65254 Bob Johanning 660-338-2336 B2-B20



MFA Oil Company

N Hwy 129

Green City, MO 63545 Jim Johnson 660-874-4218 B2-B20



MFA Oil Company

Hwy 139 & Hwy J

Hale, MO 64643 Jim Parker 660-565-2513 B2-B20



MFA Oil Company

202 S Davis

Hamilton, MO 64644 Mike Cline 816-583-2321 B2-B20



MFA Oil Company

412 S Cedar

Gallatin, MO 64640 Bob Johanning 660-663-3636 B2-B20



MFA Oil Company

950 S Service Rd W

Wright City, MO 63390 Kenneth Robinett, Jr 636-745-3906 B2-B20



MFA Oil Company

403 Locust St

Harrisonville, MO 64701 Dennis Schick 816-884-4470 B2-B20



MFA Oil Company

102 South West St

Center, MO 63436 Bob Myers 573-267-3936 B2-B20



MFA Oil Company

309 W Wilson St

Centralia, MO 65240 Ralph Jobe 573-682-3895 B2-B20



MFA Oil Company

1008 West Mill

Butler, MO 64730 Herman Shubert 660-679-5071 B2-B20



MFA Oil Company

889 South Ash

Buffalo, MO 65622 Darryl Mabary 417-345-2135 B2-B20



MFA Oil Company

Hwy 36 & 129 Jct

Bucklin, MO 64631 Darryl Mabary B2-B20



MFA Oil Company

100 E Main

Braymer, MO 64624 Scott McBride 660-258-2774 B2-B20



MFA Oil Company

1407 West Lucust St

Bowling Green, MO 63334 Lewis Smith 573-324-2224 B2-B20



MFA Oil Company

304 S Main

Bolivar, MO 65613 Raymond Francka 417-326-5808 B2-B20



MFA Oil Company

4740 St. Hwy 25

Bernie, MO 63822 Tim Burnett 573-293-5391 B2-B20



MFA Oil Company

Bus. Hwy 60

Aurora, MO 65605 Cliff Ruter 417-678-3989 B2-B20



MFA Oil Company

601 East US Hwy 136

Albany, MO 64402 Kevin Bentley 660-726-4444 B2-B20



MFA Oil Company

32937 Sample Ln

Advance, MO 63730 Bob Brown 573-722-3455 B2-B20



MFA Oil Company

400 N Main

Windsor, MO 65360 Darrell Howard 660-647-3413 B2-B20



MFA Oil Company

73580 Hwy 50 W

Tipton, MO 65081 Ron Long 660-433-2872 B2-B20



MFA Oil Company

129 South

Salisbury, MO 65281 Rusty Harmon 660-388-6666 B2-B20



MFA Oil Company

215 South 14th St

Sarcoxie, MO 64862 Dale Reynolds 417-548-7119 B2-B20



MFA Oil Company

Hwy 246 East

Sheridan, MO 64486 Dale Parman 660-799-3645 B2-B20



MFA Oil Company

604 David

Sikeston, MO 63801 Reggie Stotts 573-471-1357 B2-B20



MFA Oil Company

2738 E Kearney

Springfield, MO 65803 Barry Melton 417-743-2123 B2-B20



MFA Oil Company

820 Vincent Rd

Faucett, MO 64448 Sam Burnett 816-238-0555 B2-B20



MFA Oil Company

High Street

Stanberry, MO 64489 Kevin Bentley 660-783-2023 B2-B20



MFA Oil Company

215 East 8th Street

Rolla, MO 65401 Gene Martin 573-364-3096 B2-B20



MFA Oil Company

1557 US Hwy 61

Steele, MO 63877 Jimmie Cecil 573-695-2185 B2-B20



MFA Oil Company

361 E Hwy 54

Weaubleau, MO 65774 Bob Lightle 417-428-3289 B2-B20



MFA Oil Company

36 NE 20th

Trenton, MO 64683 Kenny Meeker 660-359-6769 B2-B20



MFA Oil Company

2310 Hwy 50 W

Union, MO 63084 Marvin Van Leer 636-583-2960 B2-B20



MFA Oil Company

South 23rd St

Unionville, MO 63565 Mike Grote 573-594-3633 B2-B20



MFA Oil Company

102 S West St

Center, MO 63436 B2-B20



MFA Oil Company

709 E Main

Willow Springs, MO 65793 Bob York 417-469-2976 B2-B20



MFA Oil Company

412 St Louis St

West Plains, MO 65775 Ray Brotherton 417-256-2202 B2-B20



MFA Oil Company

Hwy 50 West

California, MO 65018 Dwight Keisling 573-796-4511 B2-B20



MFA Oil Company

21220 Highway 32

Ste Genevieve, MO 63670 Wayne Armbruster 573-883-5219 B2-B20



MFA Oil Company

13953 Penn Lane

Neosho, MO 64850 Sam Atwell 417-451-1375 B2-B20



MFA Oil Company

1606 Lee Ave

Jackson, MO 64755 Roger Hamm 573-243-2414 B2-B20



MFA Oil Company

24769 Pecos Drive

Lebanon, MO 65536 Rick Akers 417-532-3834 B2-B20



MFA Oil Company

24th and Monroe

Lexington, MO 64067 Clarence Dothage 660-259-3687 B2-B20



MFA Oil Company

2545 Hwy 5

Mansfield, MO 65704 Jason Bradwhaw 417-924-3314 B2-B20



MFA Oil Company

713 E Commercial

Marshfield, MO 65706 Kevin Farr 417-468-2361 B2-B20



MFA Oil Company

202 Depot St

Marthasville, MO 63357 Al Marschel 636-433-5752 B2-B20



MFA Oil Company

Hwy 63 & 24

Moberly, MO 65270 William Young 660-263-6328 B2-B20



MFA Oil Company

1105 West Buchanan

Jefferson City, MO 65081 B2-B20



MFA Oil Company

501 Centennial

Nevada, MO 64772 Glen Hays 417-667-3753 B2-B20



MFA Oil Company

1658 Hwy 28

Owensville, MO 65066 573-437-2580 B2-B20



MFA Oil Company

6256 Hwy C

, MO Terry Martin 573-769-3415 B2-B20



MFA Oil Company

780 S Main

Paris, MO 65275 Gale Mattingly 660-327-4204 B2-B20



MFA Oil Company

15683 US 69 Hwy

Pattonsburg, MO 64670 B2-B20



MFA Oil Company

1042 Industrial Dr

Perryville, MO 63775 Michael Yamnitz 573-547-7088 B2-B20



MFA Oil Company

South Bus 37

Purdy, MO 65734 David Henry 417-442-3969 B2-B20



MFA Oil Company

2511 S Hwy 33

Maysville, MO 64469 Donnie Sprague 816-449-2174 B2-B20



MFA Oil Company #1006

3410 Miller St.

Bethany, MO 64424 Tony Johnson 660-425-6935 B2 - B20



MFA Oil Company #1008

18251 Hwy 87

Boonville, MO 65233 Patrick Andrews 660-882-6135 B2 - B20



MFA Oil Company #1009

818 West Helm St.

Brookfield, MO 64628 660-258-2777 B2 - B20



MFA Oil Company #1011

Hwy 24 &11

Brunswick, MO 65236 Shorty Gladbach 660-548-3516 B2 - B20



MFA Oil Company #1016

128 NW 50 Hwy

Warrensburg, MO 64093 Larry Eggen 660-747-8895 B2 - B20



MFA Oil Company #1020

902 Harvester

Chillicothe, MO 64601 Charles Stedem 660-646-2432 B2 - B20



MFA Oil Company #1021

160 NW 200

Clinton, MO 64735 660-885-3001 B2 - B20



MFA Oil Company #1024

Cherry St.

Emma, MO 65327 660-335-4112 B2 - B20



MFA Oil Company #1032

114 Gutenbury Rd

Herman, MO 65041 Glenndale Wright 573-486-2862 B2-B20



MFA Oil Company #1033

1200 West 29th St.

Higginsville, MO 64037 Ken Branson 660-584-3257 B2 - B20



MFA Oil Company #1035

South Hwy 71

Jasper, MO 64755 Kenny Steeves 417-394-2100 B2 - B20



MFA Oil Company #1037

Hwy 81 and 136

Kahoka, MO 63445 Bill Schutte 660-727-3151 B2 - B20



MFA Oil Company #1038

Hwy 63, 1/2 mile north of city

Kirksville, MO 63501 Tim Findling 660-665-3816 B2 - B20



MFA Oil Company #1039

Hwy 6 East

LaBelle, MO 63447 Steve Edwards 660-462-3633 B2 - B20



MFA Oil Company #1040

North Hwy 63

Lancaster, MO 63548 Steve Jones 660-457-3781 B2 - B20



MFA Oil Company #1045

Jct Hwy 36 and 63

Macon, MO 63552 Darrell Littrell 660-385-3216 B2 - B20



MFA Oil Company #1047

US 65 South and Road 304

Marshall, MO 65340 Rob McClurg 660-886-3942 B2 - B20



MFA Oil Company #1051

Hwy 136 West

Memphis, MO 63555 Leon Wheeler 660-465-2397 B2 - B20



MFA Oil Company #1052

1808 E. Liberty

Mexico, MO 65265 Roger Dale Schuck 573-581-7909 B2 - B20



MFA Oil Company #1054

1025 Second Street

Monroe City, MO 63456 Ronnie Geist 573-735-4894 B2 - B20



MFA Oil Company #1058

1st & cotton

New Haven, MO 63068 Bernard Laune 573-237-4051 B2 - B20



MFA Oil Company #1059

Hwy 156 West

Novelty, MO 63460 Jerry Lincoln 660-739-4458 B2 - B20



MFA Oil Company #1065

9326 Mile Corner Rd

Pilot Grove, MO 65276 Gordon Shay 660-834-6322 B2 - B20



MFA Oil Company #1067

14868 Hwy 51

Qulin, MO 63961 Gary Buffington 573-328-4407 B2 - B20



MFA Oil Company #1072

4560 South Limit Ave

Sedalia, MO 65301 Ron Dowdy 660-826-6591 B2 - B20



MFA Oil Company #1073

313 West Maple

Shelbina, MO 63468 Ronnie Larrick 573-588-2366 B2-B20



MFA Oil Company #1079

23rd St. , North of MFA

Unionville, MO 63565 660-947-2018 B2 - B20



MFA Oil Company #1094

1 mile north on Business Hwy 71 N

Maryville, MO 64468 Rex Heitman, Jr 660-582-2001 B2 - B20



MFA Oil Company #1096

718 W Washington

East Prairie, MO 63845 James (JT) Johnson 573-649-3516 B2 - B20



MFA Oil Company #1096

Beasley Park Road

Charleston, MO 63834 Rocky Walker 573-683-3301 B2 - B20



MFA Oil Company #1106

Hwy W and 61

Kewanee, MO 63860 Jimmy Smith 573-748-2463 B2 - B20



MFA Oil Company #1114

Hwy 136 west

Princeton, MO 64673 David Shriver 660-748-3355 B2 - B20



MFA Oil Company #1129

1314 State St.

Mound City, MO 64470 Ron Jumps 660-442-3900 B2 - B20



MFA Oil Company #1130

Business 65 South

Carrollton, MO 64633 Jim Birch 660-542-1235 B2 - B20



Nu-Way

620 Doddridge

St Louis, MO 63147 Don Costello 314-383-6100



Schaeffer's Specialized Lubricants

102 Barton Street

St Louis, MO 63104 Phil Hamilton 314-865-4100



Sieveking

4636 Waldo Industrial Dr

High Ridge, MO 63049 Chris Dix 636-677-4355



Thomas Oil Company

430 North Lincoln

Marshall, MO 65340 660-886-5659



United Cooperative, Inc

401 N 7th Street

Plattsburg, MO 64477 816-930-2171 B2-B20

 

[LightmanE300]

Mcoleman, sorry these posts are backwards... . there is more biodiesel in MO than any other state!!!! One of those places HAS to be near you..... Get a few 55 gal drums =] I've got 3 in my garage, been running bio for 3 years now with no problems. It's a nice way to give the finger to foreign oil and the middle east Here's the beginning of the list.....



Andrew County Oil Co

West Chestnut

Savannah, MO 64485 Kenny, Tamy 816-324-5654 B2-B100



Audrain Oil Company

1247 Highway 15

Thompson, MO 65285 563-682-9779



Bartholomew Oil Company

7601 State Route A

Drexel, MO 64742 Marilyn 816-657-2072 B2



Cenex

3315 N Oak Trafficway

Kansas City, MO 64116 Rocke Weaver 816-459-4782



Clarkton Bulk Plant

Bus Hwy 25 N

Clarkton, MO 63837 Charles Bailey 573-448-3770 B2-B20



Clever Bulk Plant

402 State Hwy P

Clever, MO 65631 Kenny Little 414-743-2123 B2-B20



Clinton Bulk & Propane Plant

200 NW 160

Clinton, MO 64735 Cindy Meads 660-885-3001 B2-B20



Consumers Oil Company

1st & Depot Street

Maryville, MO 64468 Harold Spire 660-582-2106 B2



Energy Petroleum & Marketing

2130 Kielen Avenue

St. Louis, Mo 63121 Al Horiszeny 314-383-0893

J. C. Oil

1601 Christy Drive

Jefferson City, MO 65101 Tom Kolb, J. T. Schokker 573-634-2025



Luebbering Oil Company, Inc

11449 US Hwy 63

Hartsburg, MO 65039 573-635-3238

 

[mcoleman]

So MFA has it available by the drum. I wasn't aware of that. I donate mucho dinero to those folks for horse and fish feed anyway. Might as well add something else to the list. Are you burning it straight or mixing it? B2 or B20?

 

[LightmanE300]

Oh I didn't mean to assert they have it in drums... I live in FL and buy it in drums from my local supplier. I would assume you could get b100 in drums from any supplier though if you ask...



I ran straight b100 in my VW TDI for 25,000 miles, and then dropped to b20 after the price of b100 went up quite a bit, for a total of 60k on bio. I have run b20 in my mercedes since 2001. Great stuff. Really cuts down on the smoke and smell, and I like that a portion of my fuel costs to go the American economy and american farmers rather than the middle east and contributing to foreign oil dependence... It's not always directly supporting american FARMERS these days, because most biodiesel now is produced from waste vegetable oil rather than virgin soybean oil... since the gov't dropped their $1/gal subsidy they were paying the biodiesel manufacturers. No problem though, it's still made to ASTM spec, and the recycled bio typically has a cetane of 50-55 compared to 46-49 of virgin...

 

[mcoleman]

It appears that it is only being carried on the eastern side of the state. Seems pretty reasonably priced as I called over there and asked about it but I still haven't found a supplier in this area. I would have them deliver me a bulk load to the farm if they would carry it. Not even Springfield is carrying any but they said Neosho might be. That's about 80 miles away. They don't answer the phone.

 

[LightmanE300]

If you can take 500 gals or more, you can get deliveries anywhere straight from world energy I believe. .

 

[Rman]

Lightman, I never intended to belittle you, i was sticking up for myself. I was merely poking fun at FATCAT's attitude. It seems to be prevalent with much of society.



There was an ad on the news about a local guy producing a conversion kit for biodiesel. Seems interesting, but i still am a little weery since i spend a lot of time on the road in places and biodiesel, from what i can tell, isn't always readily available. It isn't quite feasible yet to be carrying around 55 gallon drums of it in my truck just incase. Though perhaps i could entertain the idea if it became more plausible.



I certainly would like to recirculate money into our own economy rather then line the pockets of petro companies with foreign interests. What's involved with the switch to biodeisel? PM me with some informative details when you have the time.

 

[mcoleman]

If I could convince the Wife that we need to drop the cash for a new 500 gallon tank I would be in business:-laf I wasn't aware that there were any changes needed to run B2 or B20 which is what I had in mind. I think B20 would work pretty good without affecting fuel mileage like the 100% does.

 

[LightmanE300]

B20 or less requires no mods. Cummins statement is that b5 is safe and anything higher 'they haven't tested'... However, plenty have and do run b20-b100 without problems. Bottom line, you can easily blend 20% or less without doing anything. Rhickman, most likely the kit you saw was to convert an engine to run on WVO(waste veg oil). That type of setup requires a separate wvo tank, heaters, and a switch, so you can start on diesel(or biodiesel), switch to WVO once it's reached the proper temp/viscosity, and then switch back to diesel before shutdown. Major pain in the butt, but the kits are able to be viewed at www.greasel.com or maybe greasecar.com too. Biodiesel is a much simpler setup without any worries of injector coking, etc etc that are associated with running WVO.



We threw 10 gals in my friend 2000 cummins and filled up to make b20, and the smoke was noticeably reduced and a smoother/quieter idle.



In reality, most engines can run 100% biodiesel if they have synthetic fuel hoses... the main concern is the natural rubber in the hoses and possibly seals degrading over time... . with blends as low as b20, there are NO worries. Oops, spoke to fast. In temps under 5F, antigel is necessary with b20, because it has a higher cloud/gel point than dino diesel. Anything over that, good to go

 

[Rman]

Yes I looked into the WVO burning kits and it sure didn't seem like anything worthwhile to me. I'll have to check into the availability of bio, i haven't even seen it at all here, unless it is unadvertised. Is, B20, b100, b2 the relative solution ratio of bio with regular diesel? Just to clarify.

 

[LightmanE300]

Yup, sorry, b2 = 2% bio, b100 = 100% bio... etc...



WVO seems a little crazy to me also, and I'm not that keen on going around collecting wvo from restaurants. . Although, many people that have the time make biodiesel at home (homebrew) using wvo, and it's very cheap. A friend has made his own biodiesel from wvo and run 30k miles strictly on his homemade b100, which he produces for a total cost of 36 cents per gallon

:--)

 

[LightmanE300]

RHickman, I dont see any suppliers in Utah, although there may be, this list isn't always totally up to date. Looks like Phoenix may be the closest. Many distributors do deliver though, depending on how much you get.



Guys, here's a list of where/how to find biodiesel in your area.



Biodiesel Distribution Map



As you can see, it's very popular with farmers in the midwest. Here's an interesting blurb about biodiesel's potential impact for Farmers.

Farmers and Biodiesel



This site has great info on biodiesel, although there are a ton.



Biodiesel Site

 

[LightmanE300]

Mcoleman, maybe your wife will relate to some of the benefits of biodiesel and suprise you? Show her Darryl Hannah's biodiesel site, it's 'pretty' LOL. I think male or female, we can all relate to wanting to support american farmers and the economy, rather than the middle east and foreign oil consumption. The fact that biodiesel makes your exhaust smell a lot better, boosts cetane, and improves lubricity to your engine is an added bonus. That extra lubricity will sure be nice for those older cummins that have sensitive lift pumps...







Darryl Hannah's Site - as discussed on Howard Stern

 

[CFAR]

http://www.sacbee.com/content/news/environment/story/7371262p-8314989c.html

As you can see from the above article, we still don't know everything. Should we cut down all the Oak and Pine trees?(read the article)



And California has a bad habit of making Environmental decisions without weighing the long term effects. (MTBE) Turned out the cure was worse than the disease. Not only that but all these supposed improvements tend to cost much more than . 20 per gallon. Reformulated gas is still costing Californians. If you are going to make a change make sure its the right change, not some knee jerk environmental reactionary change.

All that said, no one I know wants dirty air, it comes down to cost and believability, we don't trust the environmental wackos, just like the food police, eggs are bad, wait eggs are goood, you get the point. When the scientists don't agree, we don't believe! It comes down to trying to sort out biases.