Viva California!

[Timinator]

BCFast,
Your conviction is admirable. LOL

 

[Pete Peterson]

Used to keep a sign on my desk that simply stated " Thank you for holding your breath while I smoke" then I got fired... ..... Pete

 

[Pete Peterson]

Oh yeah, our nuke power plants work real good and the lights stay real bright!!!!!Pete

 

[Ram4Sam]

Shrimpy, thanks for defending us here in California #ad
The electricity situation here really isn't as complicated as the press wants everyone to believe. There hasn't been any new power plants built in many years, many torn down thanks to the wacko enviormental groups and the demoncrats.
Meanwhile, the states population has increased dramatically and consumption far exceeds supply that is generated in the state. The price controls limit what can be charged for electricity to consumers but there are no controls for what the suppliers can be charged by the wholesellers.
Doesn't take a Rhoades scholar to figure out why things are such a mess.

The same people in the govt who created the problem (the demoncrats) now want to be in charge of fixing it, now that scares me. The demoncrats won't even talk about the obvious solution, which is building more power plants.

While I'm sure a 50 percent increase in many people's elect bill will hurt, they have no choice but to pay it or turn off a few lights at night. My light bill last month was 60 dollars so if it goes to 90 dollars next month, BFD.

I don't think the other states should even be involved except for the one's who are gouging our suppliers for the power we need to purchase.

Sam

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Fordaholic-clean and Mopar'd since 10/05/00

 

['956Wheel]

If the U. S. government could help Chrysler & Harley Davidson, I am nameing the two that we all know about, then why can't the same government, (Republican), help out CA? Yes, our short sighted, ignoramous state liberals screwed us with deregulation, however why must, as stated in a previous post, the whole state suffer?

I do not know if Texas went through the dereg. with their phone system like CA did, but it was a DISASTER! When your state government goes to dereg. you power system DO NOT LET THEM! All it did was go to some fat A$$ CEO's pockets! The CEO of Edison, I believe, went up something like 5 fold in his salary. GREED SEEMS TO BE TAKING OVER WHERE COMMON SENSE ONCE WAS!

I am not a real religious man but I do believe the love of money is the root of all evil.

Gosh I love the "other" forum!

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[illflem]

Paul, I agree with you on the no smoking rules, wish it was that way in WA also. Even though I smoke I don't do it indoors anywhere including my own house. I feel the second hand smoke is worse, I know it bothers me more.

As far as the rest of CA goes, I still feel that if we gave it back to Mexico that things would run much smoother #ad

 

[Timinator]

Statland,
Do not fall for the media story. California did not have deregulation. The prices were controlled. That's not even close to deregulation.
There is a difference between Harley/Chrysler and California. The former are corporations, while the latter is a government entity. I don't agree that the gov't should have bailed out the corporations. Flame at will. The corps could have gone under, but could have been resurrected quite easily. The government bailout gave them an opportunity to protect market share, but if the products are good, why is that necessary? Won't they sell themselves?
California is a state of this "union. " We are set up as 50 separate governmental "experiments" under the umbrella of a federal government (don't you feel safe under that umbrella?). California can fix their own problem just as easily as the federal government can, and without burdening everyone else to the extent that the federal gov't would. The process is called the ballot. I expect a huge turnover in the state legislature and in the governor's office, unless the majority of people buy the story of greedy utility companies who had the audacity to ask for power rates that would at least equal their costs. How arrogant! The 'feel good' mentality just met reality. A lot of people are waking up. I hope it's enough.

 

[Champane Flight]

Freedom goes both ways. As a smoker for 30 years,who quit more than 7 years ago. I wish to say that the people on the band wagon to abolish smoking should find a better cause. Maybe drinking?Alcohol kills more people daily than smoking,And has ruined more lives.

What you don't want to give up your martinis?I do not believe that someone should be able to actually tell someone else they cannot smoke in a public place,because some anti-smoking scientific survey says it killed a rat!

I also do not believe that the tobbaco companys forced anyone(including myself) to smoke. I also think that no one should be turned into a second class citizen because they smoke. Take your anti-smoking rethoric and leave it in sunny California!!!!!!!Go get a real cause!!!!!!!!

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['956Wheel]

Tim, I respectfully disagree with your "logic". Let me explain, First it is a fact that the power companies are profiting beyond their cost of generation. I will substantiate this. I am employed with the Los Angeles Dept. of Water & Power, we are not "deregulated" due to the fact that we are a municiply owned utility, our rates have not gone up four to six fold as our privately owned counterparts in fact the Dept. continues to place nearly one billion dollars into the city treasury without doing so. Is their cost of doing business less? Yes it is due in part to not having the tax obligation as the privates do, however coal contracts for the I. P. P. (Delta Utah, 49% DWP) were made at an inflated rate as well as the fact that gas is at an all time high, provided by... PG&E. The dept. has pulled out of the red from their co-gen endeavors and continue to build more co-gens as we speak... I repair equipment for these projects. Certainly the tax advantage is offset by the many ongoing expansion of power plants. Fossil fuel generation, with the exception of natural gas, is currently not allowed due to the "Basin" holding smog, hence co-generation. My point is how can DWP provide power at a rate "in sync" with inflation while the privates SUDDENLY cannot?
You may be blinded by the media, I do not say this to offend but rather to perhaps promote you to obtain a more reliable source of info.

As for the "experiment", this does not make sense at all. Remember the Pledge of Allegiance... "one nation under God *indivisable*... . " Do we deny that, throw it out or live by it as our forefathers have?

I do not feel that when the chips are down it is time to change the rules, gun control is an excellent example of this.

On a lighter note I would like to hope the same that you do... vote out the ill informed and get on track. Do remember where Reagan came from!

Mike

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['956Wheel]

C. F. , You made a choice to smoke, please understand that my choice is to not. There is a place for everything without having to take freedom from others. I was a smoker, never did it in the house or in a restaurant... way before the legislation.
Mike

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[danandamy]

Originally posted by Paul R. Haller:... All those big energy companies use Texas as a base of operations because of lower taxes and it's much easier to rape the land with impunity... .
-Paul R. Haller-[/B]

#ad
Please, you have no idea what you're talking about #ad

 

[Joe G.]

I was going to stay out of this one, but I do get tired of California bashing. I'm a native Californian. In fact, I was born in a farm house close to Chowchilla which is close to being exactly in the middle of the state. Some of this reminds me of the guy I talked to in KY. He knew all about California. He and his family flew out to Los Angeles for a vacation and they went to DisneyLand. Thus he is a California expert. Give me a break!

I don't bash other states and I've been in all of them except NE, ND, ME, VT, and NH. We were amazed at one place where it seemed the bugs were big enuff to saddle and ride. Don't need high humidity, salty roads, hurricanes, tornadoes, flat ground as far as you can see, below zero, and the rest of it. However, I don't bash the states that are like that. If you want to bash our politicos you will have to get in line behind us. The elections weren't unanimous you know.

Our power situation is really our problem. It smells a bit since the municipal utility outfits are doing just fine while the corporate outfits are going broke. Maybe there are legitimate reasons for that, but I'm a bit suspicious. I've always thought that shutting down the nukes was stupid, but what do I know. I'm just a working man.

When you bash California you are really insulting those of us who are members of the TDR as well as the tree huggers and freaks that live on Castro Street.

I love where I live in spite of a few seconds of earth quakes every so often. Love the tall trees, green all year, the ocean, the mountains, country life, precipitation that I don't have to shovel, and wild life that thinks my yard is a convenient lunch. Not too bad for a "hell hole".

As far as smokeing goes I have pretty strong opinions about that. My dad died at 66. He said all the things I've ever heard anybody say about "freedom" to smoke and it really wasn't bothering him. Changed his mind in the last few years of his life, but it was too late. I have quite a few aunts and my mom is still going strong at 83. One great aunt is 97. NO uncles are still alive. All smokers. Smoke if you want to, but ask yourself if you are being responsible to your family. They might like to have you around a little longer. I still miss my dad very much and he died in '77 at 66 years of age. My mom enjoys her great grand children. My dad never knew any of his and they will never know him thanks to smoking.

As far as drinking vs smoking goes, my grandfather died at 86 years of age. He was a drunk but he didn't smoke. He also had complications from an old Civil War wound that was cited as the cause of death.

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['956Wheel]

Originally posted by danandme:
#ad
Please, you have no idea what you're talking about #ad

Danandme, I am afraid Mr. Haller is correct. Are you in a vacuum? It is a well known fact that many corporations are fleeing CA in favor of states with a lessor tax obligation, this also is the reason that they head south of the border... not to mention the lack of concern that Mexico has for pollution. GREED! #ad


I get a real kick out of the fact that so many states ship their toxic waste to Texas... what do you guys do with it? Besides make money... at one he!! of a cost!

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[radixr]

I see no reason why the other 49 states should bail out Kommieforication when they were responsible for their own problems. No major power plants constructed in the last 10 years? Whose fault is that? And that state's voters were responsible for electing Gay Davis, Diane Feinstein, Ba-Ba Boxer, probably Bill Klinton twice, and, most likely, Barney Fag if he was inclined to move there. #ad


I agree that the TDR members did not elect the above named scum. I just get a little annoyed with the suggestion that CA should be helped out of their mess because, well, it is CA.

[This message has been edited by radixr (edited 04-06-2001). ]

 

[Brandon]

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[Champane Flight]

I do believe that freedom goes both ways. What ticks me is the ban of smoking in ALL public places(including bars and sometimes the great outdoors). This is just forcing one peoples will on another and limits the freedom of the smoker. I stated that I quit smoking years back,I tryed to limit my smoking to outdoors areas and always asked before I lit up indoors. Most smokers will abide by these rules. My mother has smoked a pack a day for 60 years,she 80 now. Go ahead ask her to quit!I have and my a$$ still smarts. My father dyed at eighty at home in bed with bone cancer,one lung,and wanting a cigarette. He told me "you gotta die sometime".

As far as California,I like it for the most part. Wouldn't live there on a bet. But,that has to do with my Rockys. I believe that southern California has a problem with reality and there are too many special intrest groups governing. I also don't like the polution,controls they are trying to push down every states throats(it did start in CA didn't it?). Just a little backwards I would say. Instead of saying lets carpool or don't drive to the store 15 times in one day,they put polution controls on every vehicle costing the rest of America millions.
When it gets hard to breath you quit smoking,you don't get a filter!Or tell someone else he has to smoke in the corner!

California is a beautiful state,it has every terrain and eviroment a person could ask for mountains,beach,dessert,rolling hills,and BIKINIS!Good luck to it.


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['956Wheel]

Tim, I agree that the media is and never will be a source worth using for the truth, that is well documented. I may watch the "news" but do so as entertainment... really.

One can not always figure what the truth is, most just listen to the loudest voice. Do you for a minute believe that PG&E is TRULY bankrupt? How can that be so when their leaders are giving themselves raises beyond belief? SO CA went through the summers heatwave with no problem, the time of highest power use, (before dereg went into effect). Dereg. started, (officially), on the first of the year... . what does that tell you?

Now, on one state helping another, or the fed. gov helping, please check out this example: We are talking about poor planing by state government, not all but much of "natural" disaster damage could often be minimized by planing, i. e. flood control, brush clearance, proper development, etc. However the finger is NEVER pointed at a state or assistance denied due to poor planing by it's government, folks in need... you go and help them, certainly you do not "sodomize" them with, in this instance, outrageous rates.

No offense given or taken... just a discussion, hope you agree.

Mike

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[nickelda]

California's liberal politics are the scurge of the US. While there are people trying to fix it there are too many "fruits and nut" to overcome. I think most of America would not mind at all if Cali seceeded and became part of russia. You would not see a difference

 

['956Wheel]

Originally posted by nickelda:
California's liberal politics are the scurge of the US. While there are people trying to fix it there are too many "fruits and nut" to overcome. I think most of America would not mind at all if Cali seceeded and became part of russia. You would not see a difference

Nickelda, Did you move from CA too? Its a shame to hear you bring truth to the myth that the east coast folks are short-sighted and rude.

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[nickelda]

Truth hurts I know, Yes did move from CA and right back at ya.

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