Walbro, remote dual filter install w/ pics

[TSPowell]

Finished the install of a Walbro pump and dual remote mount filters (water separator and 2 mic filters). My lift pump died so I figured this would be a good time to upgrade. I pieced the system together by myself, only purchasing a few necessities from GDP. I used Parker Push-Lock hose and fittings. Removed the oem filter and pump with GDP delete piece (it's really nice, all his stuff is!) Did some grinding and fabricating to remove a small bracket where the filters now set. Fuel return line and brake line run between filters and frame without touching. I have a small Fleet Guard inline filter before the pump that isn't visible in any pics. Pressure never drops below 16psi. The Walbro is SUPER QUIET.



pic#1 - filter setup

pic#2 - pump and regulator

pic#3 - whole system

pic#4 - Dorman fitting for tank supply

pic#5 - fuel return into tank fill neck

 

[TSPowell]

pic#6 - CP3 connection

pic#7 - fuel pressure at idle

pic#8 - OEM filter housing deleted

 

[5POINT9]

Nice, clean install. I love my Walbro. Super quiet and I can not pull it down below 15psi with my mods.

 

[TCDiesel]

TSPowell,Why was the return line install before the filters.

 

[TSPowell]

TSPowell,Why was the return line install before the filters.

Why not? I did for several reasons. First, the Walbro can create a lot of pressure and I didn't want to potentially damage the 2 micron filter by forcing fuel through it. Second, If I start seeing pressure drop I know a filter is probably clogged instead of having the regulator after it and always seeing the same pressure. If a filter is towards the end of its life, you run an even higher risk of damaging it by forcing large quantities of fuel through it. Third, this is the way Richard (GDP) recommends and I trust him. Fourth, this is just the way I wanted to do it!

 

[Allnew2Me]

Very nice install, clean and easy to get to if the need ever arises. I like the idea of the filters. I relocated my pump where you did and installed a parallel system with a backup already installed and ready to go if either of my pumps goes. If your Walbro goes out it is an easy replacement. Do you carry a spare pump? Also where did you get the filter bases for remote mounting like that? I would like to add the filtering capacity but I'm afraid I have used up all my space with my pumps.



https://www.turbodieselregister.com...002/190424-no-more-lift-pump-troubles-me.html

 

[TCDiesel]

TSPowell The Question was not meant to offend or intimate, But heres WHY. TSPDefective Fuel Systems

Butler, Wooten & Fryhofer, LLP is one of the nations leading law firms for automotive fuel systems product liability litigation. If you or someone you know has been injured or killed as a result of a vehicle fire or explosion we have the experience and resources to maximize your recovery. Many people are harmed every day as a result of vehicle fires that should and could have been avoided through proper automotive design and manufacturing.



Despite the fact that automotive manufacturers have known for decades that it is dangerous to design fuel systems that easily rupture during collisions, many of these manufacturers continue to design fuel systems that are susceptible to failure in foreseeable accidents. Many recurring problems with fuel systems include:



the placement of fuel tanks in a place where they can easily be punctured during a collision (such as on the side or rear of a vehicle);

the placement of fuel lines in positions where they can easily be pinched and ruptured during a wreck;

the use of cheap or flimsy materials to connect the fuel tank to the fuel filler neck (where fuel is inserted in the vehicle), causing the two parts to separate and fuel to gush out during a collision; and the use of inadequate and unsafe materials to manufacture fuel lines, which ultimately causes the fuel lines to either decay or break during a wreck .



Defective () pickup truck with side-saddle fuel tank design. Brian () brought suit against () after he was severely burned by fire when his () pickup was struck by another pickup causing an explosion upon impact, due to punctures and failures of the vulnerable side-mounted tank and vulnerable filler neck of the () pickup truck.



The surviving parent of a young man brought suit against () after her son was killed by fire when his motorcycle had a side impact collision with a () pickup truck



The Return Line Back to the Filler Neck Breaks Federal Standards Making the System Dangerous in case of Impact. Any fuel from the source Must be return to the Tank Directly. Today standard are for travel Lines NOT to be splice until Engine Compartment Cavity Only exception is Tank to Line. Braided Line Qualifies as solid.

 

[TSPowell]

TSPowell The Question was not meant to offend or intimate, But heres WHY.

Im not offended and there's only one person I'm intimate with!



I really don't have a CLUE what your trying to say about my return line. You asked why I located it before the filters, then gave me a whole bunch of jibber-jabber lawsuit junk about the fill neck. That whole lawsuit has nothing to do with the return line starting before or after the filters! If I had my my return line start after the filters it still would have ended at the fill neck. Maybe the fill neck is the wrong place to return fuel. Im just really confused why you originally asked me why my return line was before the filters then go off on the whole "splicing into the fill neck for a return" tangent?????????

 

[DCreed]

FASS uses the same type of bypass return in the fillerneck.

 

[Snoxracer]

TSPowell The Question was not meant to offend or intimate, But heres WHY. TSPDefective Fuel Systems

Butler, Wooten & Fryhofer, LLP is one of the nations leading law firms for automotive fuel systems product liability litigation. If you or someone you know has been injured or killed as a result of a vehicle fire or explosion we have the experience and resources to maximize your recovery. Many people are harmed every day as a result of vehicle fires that should and could have been avoided through proper automotive design and manufacturing.



Despite the fact that automotive manufacturers have known for decades that it is dangerous to design fuel systems that easily rupture during collisions, many of these manufacturers continue to design fuel systems that are susceptible to failure in foreseeable accidents. Many recurring problems with fuel systems include:



the placement of fuel tanks in a place where they can easily be punctured during a collision (such as on the side or rear of a vehicle);

the placement of fuel lines in positions where they can easily be pinched and ruptured during a wreck;

the use of cheap or flimsy materials to connect the fuel tank to the fuel filler neck (where fuel is inserted in the vehicle), causing the two parts to separate and fuel to gush out during a collision; and the use of inadequate and unsafe materials to manufacture fuel lines, which ultimately causes the fuel lines to either decay or break during a wreck .



Defective () pickup truck with side-saddle fuel tank design. Brian () brought suit against () after he was severely burned by fire when his () pickup was struck by another pickup causing an explosion upon impact, due to punctures and failures of the vulnerable side-mounted tank and vulnerable filler neck of the () pickup truck.



The surviving parent of a young man brought suit against () after her son was killed by fire when his motorcycle had a side impact collision with a () pickup truck



The Return Line Back to the Filler Neck Breaks Federal Standards Making the System Dangerous in case of Impact. Any fuel from the source Must be return to the Tank Directly. Today standard are for travel Lines NOT to be splice until Engine Compartment Cavity Only exception is Tank to Line. Braided Line Qualifies as solid.

Now instead of confusing me about your modded rail theories you have all of us confused about this? Where do you get this stuff?

 

[TCDiesel]

Its the law,571. 301 the Auto Manufacturer MUST submit to FMVSS and follow the rule, altering the system Violates the standard on which the Vehicle was approved and PASS,The ONLY exception Stage One Or two Builder.

49 CFR Part 555.

In cases in which the second-stage or final-stage manufacturers make significant changes to the fuel system, they may not be able to use the pass-through certification, and may have to certify that the vehicle complies with Standard No. 301. If it is not economically feasible for these manufacturers to perform the compliance testing or engineering analysis, the manufacturers may apply for a temporary exemption under 49 CFR Part 555



Aftermarket Companies Would Not Be consider final Stage manufactures, so once You alter it , the company would Have submit for approval.

Since you ask, I would not alter a certify design and NOT meet the standard or submit for approval, I would NOT but the Public welfare and safety ask Risk for PROFIT.

Now if the Design was for off road USE only and sold under that condition it would Be Legal,NO HOLD HARMLESS AGREEMENT WILL WORK IN MOST STATES.

The return line Back to the Filler Neck may present a hazardous condition in the event of rollover or collision ,and I don't think the FMVSS would Pass it. Back to the Tank May comply with the original Design and Meet the standard the vehicle had when certified, I would submit for review FMVSS.

 

[TSPowell]

OK TWest, no more legal crap on this thread!. I posted this to show how I installed my system so others could learn from it to aid in their decisions or install. NOT to hear a bunch of legal stuff that in the long run isn't going to change my decisions on my install, OK! If you want to preach to someone, how about the companies that market and sell these "illegal" systems, not my install thread. All you are doing is confusing everyone with your hard to read sentences and taking this topic exactly where I didn't want it to go! Oh, and you still haven't answered my original question, but now I don't even want you to attempt to.

 

[MPerez]

No matter; nice clean looking install. I am sure he had some kind of good intention with his ... warning? suggestion? but who can really tell from what he posted.

 

[Snoxracer]

OK TWest, no more legal crap on this thread!. I posted this to show how I installed my system so others could learn from it to aid in their decisions or install. NOT to hear a bunch of legal stuff that in the long run isn't going to change my decisions on my install, OK! If you want to preach to someone, how about the companies that market and sell these "illegal" systems, not my install thread. All you are doing is confusing everyone with your hard to read sentences and taking this topic exactly where I didn't want it to go! Oh, and you still haven't answered my original question, but now I don't even want you to attempt to.

Amen!!



Also I forgot to metion, your install looks great!!

 

[Vaughn MacKenzie]

LOL. . . in all the years of fuel system mods this is the first legal mumbo jumbo I've ever seen posted :-laf

We're talking about diesel anyway, not gas. . . not too likely to explode in a collision (although it may burst into flames in a violent collision in which case it would happen no matter how properly or improperly the fuel system is set up).

Vaughn

 

[TSPowell]

No matter; nice clean looking install.

Amen!!



Also I forgot to metion, your install looks great!!

Thank you guys very much! I really took a lot of time dry fitting everything so it would look and perform well.

 

[TSPowell]

Do you carry a spare pump? Also where did you get the filter bases for remote mounting like that?

Right now I don't have a spare pump, but will soon.

The filters came from GDP:

Glacier Diesel Power - Product Detail

 

[TCDiesel]

No matter; nice clean looking install. I am sure he had some kind of good intention with his ... warning? suggestion? but who can really tell from what he posted.

Yeah, For every Negative Post, I have received ,"I was Not aware of that",I thought this forum was informational NOT Domination. WHY are we here so people can dominate with the attitude"My way is the Only Way" WHY would someone want to sell them-self so short?... I pointed out a possible flaw and supported it with evidence of Law"NOT MY OPINION", that People have been burn be-on recognition, over 10,000 deaths related to Tank explosions, 3,000 of them cause by filler necks by all manufacturers,the untold misery in family Life... IF THIS IS NOT A GOOD REASON TO POINT OUT A POSSIBLE FLAW WHAT IS?

I posted a possible solution, to try and aid,and get flame for it,If you have form a opinion and want to support it as factual, WHY are you here? No matter how much evidence someone has provided as fact you will fall back on your own agenda regardless.

If you desire to install any system that requires a BYPASS, return it back to the Tank with a bottom fill neck. Its a simple solution to a possible hazard.

Yes 20 years ago on 35E & 694 I pull a Young boy be-on recognition from a fire cause By a FILL NECK explosion. . so how about cutting Me A Little slack here.

 

[Snoxracer]

Was it a gas or diesel explosion?



And what do you mean by a bottom fill neck?

 

[TCDiesel]

It was Both, the over Pass on 694/35E. A car had overturn on the Divider and was upside Down on the Bridge, the occupants were trap in the Vehicle,Other vehicles were just buzzing by, but this single axle diesel truck swerved and tip onto it side and rear-ended the car upside down (Gas) than it exploded diesel from the truck fed the flames caused by the gas explosion,it happen so fast one bystander was pinch between the truck and bridge cement rail,We manage to get him out but he lost his leg,the boy and his his father die in the car,the truck driver was un-injured. The investigation reveal since the car was upside down gas enter the neck and leak out causing the explosion on impact.

Bottom fill ,Have a tube go to the bottom of the tank,and fill from bottom up, this will stop foaming and gases from being created,it looks like this setup already has a one-way-valve in the return line.

When you return the fuel to the Neck, when the truck is running it may be possible when filling to over come the vacuum that is created by the return line and the Pump line( when filling), if this occurs fuel could backup and spray the person that is filling the tank,this would be highly unlikely, My guess is the Pump would need to be over 10GPM, I think most Pumps in America are set 6GPM.