Way to go President Bush!!!

[Sled Puller]

It pains me to post this, but I have to.



After reading the TDR other forum for the last few years, I realized why and how we lost the Viet Nam War.

I used to blame it on the politicians, but I was wrong.



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JConley,

Thank you very much for your service, and your posts,(classic comment on Hillary!) it is greatly appreciated.

We are fortunate to have people like you in the military.

 

[Steve M]

Bill expressed his outrage at the most offensive words I've ever read on the TDR. Far more offensive than any racial or ethnic slur. Way more offensive than any vulgar words I've ever seen bleeped out here.

And then to say Bill needs a "time out"? You really are full of yourself.

I've been following this thread and staying out of it. But that last coment was too much.

 

[illflem]

Originally posted by Sled Puller

It pains me to post this, but I have to.



After reading the TDR other forum for the last few years, I realized why and how we lost the Viet Nam War.

I used to blame it on the politicians, but I was wrong.

Come on out and tell me what you meant then Gene.

 

[Sled Puller]

Originally posted by Sled Puller

It pains me to post this, but I have to.



After reading the TDR other forum for the last few years, I realized why and how we lost the Viet Nam War.

I used to blame it on the politicians, but I was wrong.



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.

The WHY:



Anti Americans bashing the war effort, every chance they got, using the media to flood the public, with a negative campaign against this country.



The HOW:

Obvious, How much could the Honest Americans who were trying to protect this country take that kind of media pressure?



I hope Bush does not cave into the same kind of pressure his predecessors did.

Protecting this country is his main job, no matter what the polls say. Fighting terrorists in Iraq is better than fighting them here. Better their innocents than ours.



Bill, sorry you took it that way.

I have nothing but respect for all Vets.

 

[illflem]

Sorry Gene but I don't believe you at all, your excuse doesn't fly.

Your comment was only intended as a personal attack against me and any other Vietnam vet who doesn't agree with you. Otherwise you would have just came out and said what you really meant rather than worm around it. It was perhaps the lowest blow I've experienced since coming home from Vietnam.



Gene is just too much of a coward to admit what he meant. I have no doubts.

It is very well evidenced in a PM I received from him right after he ticked me off. I'm not going to post due to it's inflammatory content and the fact that it's private.

Any respect I had for Gene is now non-existent.



BTW there are a few posts in-between Gene's comment and this post that have been deleted, not by me. At least one was from Gene. To gauge the full extent of what went on by what is here now is impossible.

 

[RBSOB]

OH B. S. I would never interpret this as a personal attack on anyone. The tone of this thread is PRO/CON our involvement and Bushes visit to Iraq. I took Genes comment exactly as explained, we will only "lose" in Iraq if public sentiment and media pressure turn the political will towards withdrawl. Does anyone believe we "lost" Viet Nam? Do you feel we lost, Bill, or was it not a lack of public support and political will that led to WITHDRAWL? JimG

 

[DHayden]

I'm too tired to retort tonight, you guys are lucky cause I could have had a hayday with that one

 

[Champane Flight]

Losing or winning?

The thought you put into your statement on Nam vets is way out of line Gene.



If you interpret our actions in Vietnam as a loss you may be right. We sure didn't learn anything from it cause here we are again. If we lost the war in Nam it was not because of politics, public sentiment, or the veterans. We lost that war the day we went into Nam. We underestimated the strength, resolve, and motivation of the enemy. Just as we are now.



It is hard to admit we (a world power) couldn't beat a enemy with inferior firepower. Hey, how do you think England felt?

 

[merryman]

Hey guys; I did a little bit of both Korea and Nam, and I saw nothing to be offended about!!!



Vaughn

 

[Sled Puller]

It is obvious, the "Bush hating, anti -American-we love terrorists", who didn't want us to go into Iraq, now are doing their best to make sure we lose. Whatever it takes must be their motto.



They will sacrifice the safety and well being of this country, in their attempt to ruin Bush.



NO WAY ARE THEY ON OUR SIDE. No way.



I keep hearing how it was apolitical move for Bush to fight this war.



Well, if thats true, then it is a political move for the Bush haters to be doing what they are doing, now isn't it?



Supporting the troops, means not making our Commander in Cheif fight the war on both sides, in my book.

 

[Steve M]

Of course the right wing extremists will join together in their gang mentality. What Gene said was exactly what he meant. It "pains" no one to say the "media" is flooding the public with propaganda. It might theoretically "pain" someone to slam Vietnam vets though. At least it sounds nice to say so before you slam them. Gene's post was the latest slap in the face to Vietnam vets who were fortunate enough to return.

I heard Rush's bile that he spewed yesterday. Gene repeated Rush's words. What a hateful lowlife. And Gene you obviously admire his hate for anyone different from himself and want nothing less than to be just like him. That's extremely deceitful and manipulative of you.

You meant what you said exactly the way I saw it an Bill saw it. They way you worded your post is the difference. Anyone with any intelligence at all can see it. But, just like Rush, you'll deny it and insist you meant something else.

America is founded on freedom. Bill expressed his thoughts in our free country and you attacked him for it in the lowest way possible. If anyone is an anti-American anything hater, it's you and those like you.

 

[Champane Flight]

Are you?

Lets see are you calling us traitors, or cowards Gene? Or is this the way you apologize? For some reason I am thinking it lacks sincerity?



It is too late for us to get out of Iraq. When we crossed the border we crossed the line between battling terror and battling Saddam. In other words we/he made a new war. All we are doing is trying to wake people up to the obvious, maybe save a life or two. I for one have never cut down the American military. I do not consider a ex- NG that didn't finish his duty and puts these same men in danger for private wars a military man. Commander in chief, a commander leads his men into battle, funny stuff.



I for one am not bitter toward the USA or its choice in Presidents. But, I am not naive enough to fall for the stuff coming out of his mouth right now either. I have heard all the lies I need to hear. His words are costing lives! Everyday we hear of another death. These are brave men and women fighting for our stinking behinds sitting down to a computer and putting our thoughts to words. I give thanks to them everyday. And I curse the man who put them there for his own reasons.

 

[NETim]

And I curse the man who had the opportunity to take Bin Laden down years ago.



We didn't start this war, but we're going to finish it. It's us or them.



Tim

 

[TDRadmin]

Thread Closed

I don't even this this requires explanation. Keep personal attacks off the boards.



Robin

TDR Admin