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By Pat Ganahl



People have been asking, "What's this new Big Hoss program at Banks?" We've talked about it some already (see Multiple Questions 5/31/02 or More Big Hoss 6/14/02). As I've said, it's a fifth level of power from Banks—way big power—and it will eventually apply to a range of engines and applications. One of our latest products is a line of Big Hoss power modules (known as program "chips" to most others) for Ford Power Strokes, but more on that later.





The big news here this week, however, is the first testing of our Big Hoss ported cylinder head and intake/exhaust manifolds for the Cummins ISB 24-valve engine that will be used in our Project Sidewinder Dodge Dakota pickup for Bonneville and other racing venues. This is the head and intake manifold we've shown you a couple of times, and which will eventually be available to you as Big Hoss parts on an exchange basis. But this is the first time we've actually tested it on the dyno.





When we baselined this engine (tested it in it's stock—or "before"—form), we got 396 horsepower and 580 lb. -ft. of torque at 3600 rpm. And this was an engine that was already hopped-up a bit by the people at Cummins. Now get this. After we put our ported Big Hoss head, our Big Hoss cast aluminum intake manifold, and a hand-fabricated stainless tubing exhaust manifold, along with a larger HX 50 Holset turbo, we got 645 hp and 1040 lb. -ft. of torque at 3200 rpm. That's nearly double the power numbers, at a lower rpm, on the very first try! And that torque number is humongous. Remember what we talked about last week?





That was a week ago. Since then dyno operator John Sinz switched to the Holset HY 55 VGT (variable geometry turbo), which is an "adjustable" turbocharger, and he cranked out 700 hp and 1100 lb. -ft. of torque at 3250 rpm. Those are huge numbers. This is the kind of power that should make the Sidewinder meet its goals at Bonneville, quite nicely.





And there's plenty more where that came from—"Lots more," according to Sinz. He said on the second run the boost went from 43 pounds to 50 pounds, but the exhaust gas temperatures actually went down. The engine was "happier" making more power, according to John.





But both of these runs were made with a stock camshaft. In fact, everything in the engine below the cylinder head is bone stock. Cylinder head porter Victor Bangle said that his flow bench testing shows that a higher-lift cam will make his ports flow significantly better. We already have a couple of bigger cams to test. Plus Victor says he thinks he can get even more flow out of this head with more aggressive porting. How much more power can be coaxed from this engine only time, more modification, and more testing will tell. As of now, we're just getting going.





Yeee Hoss!
 
My local Banks dealer in town told me about this Saturday. Said he got an email about it. This will be great! 700HP and won't void your warranty.

Michael
 
they must be wizards

Funny, almost every body out there claims very little horsepower gain from porting, just cooler EGT's that alow you to add more FUEL which gets the power. I find it hard to believe they doubled power by ONLY increasing airflow. But hey Banks rocks right:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
In the mail today I got a Diesel Progress mag and it had an article on this same truck/engine. This artile claimed 600hp, and it had pics. One pic was of a greatlooking intake, and it said on it, "Banks Big Hoss". I only hope that they come out with this as a product, and don't make the cost sky high.



One thing that should be noted, this is not an ISB, but an ISBe, like the 2003's will have.



Andrew
 
Is it just me or do those torque numbers seem sorta Low for that HP level?

400HP and only 600 Lbs Ft. ?

700HP and only 1100 Lbs Ft. ?

Unless that is the torque at peak Hp. , not the peak Torque?

Josiah
 
Here is one of the whole engine where you can see the new exhaust manifold, looks sweet, but not as good a pic as in the mag.



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Ok, is it just me or does it look like there is a crack on the lower right side here? This is a pick showing what will be ported.



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Andrew



P. S. Admin/Moderator, Please let me know if they do not wish for these pics to be here, sorry for posting if that's the case. :(
 
I got my Diesel Progress yesterday too. I must admit, the Sidewinder article was the first one I read, so I'm interested. I personnally haven't been impressed by Banks' stuff, but primarily because of their price. I don't think many people would argue about their results, though. After all, their fuel management enhancements come from other vendors that many here on the TDR endorse. We all know that the stuff about "keeping factory warrantee" is bull. It all depends on your dealer. :rolleyes:



Banks does have experience on Bonneville, and he has the finances to field a winner (again). I remember about 2 years ago, people here on the TDR were trying to muster funding to field our own land speed truck, but the effort sputtered (no pun intended).



At the very least, the Sidewinder effort will bring some well deserved attention to the mighty 5. 9 Cummins. You won't see Banks, or any other tuner company trying to set any records with the Duramax or Powerstroke.



I'm looking forward to the results. I hope they succeed.
 
Originally posted by ToolManTimTaylor

And this was an engine that was already hopped-up a bit by the people at Cummins.



Don't get too excited about some of this stuff... . think we'll ever see this type of thing for "joe public"? I doubt it... ... ...
 
Don't forget that they put a $3-4K turbo on it and it's on an engine dyno. Lop off 15-20% for driveline loss and he's back down at the current ISB levels.



A 500rwhp truch has about a 600hp engine... at least 580 for sure.



I wish I had that budget for parts and labor.



Later,

Mark
 
Ok,Now I have a question for the Banks gang and only would wonder how they will answer it,,Since airflow is so critical to these engines for higher hp and lowering egts,how in the world did they come up with this intake manifold design and how do they expect it to work efficently???,,Look at the manifold picture again and think of the ones on our trucks today and think like this,if the air flow is not centered from the start and allowed to distribute evenly throughout the intake manifold you will end up with unbalanced and unevenly temperatured cylinders,,High speed air(i. e. -intake or exhaust air) does not like to make hard bends efficently and will loose its velocity quickly thus defeating the design of this intake manifold,,If the air is sent in the way it is as shown the front 2 maybe 3 cylinders will be recieving the lions share of air while the rear 3 will be starved for air and create some cylinder unbalances that could be a problem,,This is just what I see looking at the setup, as TDK has posted the pics for, and would like to here how they can accomplish what they claim with this design,,To me,with the years of drag racing and manifold work I have done or seen done,this design goes against all conventional design ideas on how intake air should flow to make HP,,Maybe someone from Banks can drop in and answer our questions for us... ..... Andy
 
Just a question... ... ... . not intended as a flame or anything.



396 hp from a STOCK cummins... ... ... ... ... ..... if I don the math correctly I lost 231 hp through my drivetrain when I dynoed on a dynajet. I know they are talking about flywheel numbers... ... ... but I find it very hard to believe.

Again, I'm not bashing anyon, just curious.

George
 
The stock cummins in the new rams will be 325 hp i think... the marine isb already makes 370.



a cummins 'turned up' common rail should easily be capable of 400 hp.



notice they were using an hx50/55... these won't fit on a new ram. there's no room for that big of a turbo. that's the reason for the HY turbo on the new trucks.



Later,

mark
 
Originally posted by Batman

396 hp from a STOCK cummins... ... ... ... ... ..... if I don the math correctly



It clearly states it was not a "Stock" Cummins..... they said ti wa "hopped up by Cummins".
 
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