Competition what 1/4 time do you all think ill run?

[XcumminsX]

03 CUMMINS H. O.

48re w/ ats tc vb and emjay controller





DDIII (100 hp)

TST POWERMAX CR = (will leave it at 100 hp setting)

DD turbo (30 hp)

Bigger fuel box bigger fuel lines. (50 hp)

Propane injection. (??)

4" dp 4" pipes underneath dual 5" stacks (??)





Will run in 4x4. Low/medium boost launch







Anyone wannna take a stab at what you all think my 1/4 mile times will be?

 

[kaptn]

13. 80

See my profile.

 

[XcumminsX]

i see you have a dtt. What do you personally think is better for drag racing. dtt or ats?

 

[Stefan Kondolay]

You really need to think about the application that your truck is used for vs. the trans parts your looking at installing.



In a different thread you said that your gonna make approx. 550hp and just install a TC and VB and lock-up controller, and were told that you wouldn't have any trouble.



I would give your truck a couple of months before your truck snaps the input shaft like a twig. The other thing that I seen was that you want to leave the starting line at 20psi of boost alot. On a stock output shaft you won't have long either.



Whoever told you that all the parts you would need was what you have listed sounds like you got a sales pitch. Remember when you break your input shaft it will take out the pump and most of the time the converter neck. Which will result in need a new TC, Pump, Input Shaft basically meaning thousands of dollars again. The more locked-to-locked shifts you due the more breakage you have ask MCummings.

 

[KLockliear]

Depending on the converter you run, that HP level should put you around a 14. 0. We had about that kind of power in our 01, and with a 91% DTT converter, it ran a 13. 67@97. Swapping to their 93% race, with no other changes, it ran a 13. 27@104.

 

[XcumminsX]

Thank you Stefan Kondolay for all the good advice and comments. I am actually going to change the input and output shafts. Hopefully i can make them myself, since i work and my family machine shop, and on saturdays i can do whatever i want there.

Now that i see the other post saying how much the race dtt trans (93%) helped out i am now very interested in that.

Nick

 

[XcumminsX]

i just went on the dtt site and i am now very interested in what they have. id get a 93% tc , vb. And aside from that id have the emjay and the shafts. Do you all think i can get all the power to the ground with that set-up? 500-550 rwhp 4. 10 gearing 34. 5" tires. NO TOWING. ALL RACING. And showing off

Nick

 

[Stefan Kondolay]

The 93% race is an awesome converter for guys that just want to race and don't tow. It is the fastest converter for racing as it's extremely tight and if your leaving the starting with boost obviously lag won't be an issue. Guys like Keith and JetPilot have given us the opportunity to test and see what converter and methods of using lock-up was fastest.



I have found that the quickest way to get down the track was, going thru 1-2 in fluid coupling then locking it in 3-4. Remember the 93% is very tight so it matches the engine nicely out of the hole then lock-it down track. Lock-up in 1-2 actually slowed be down . 06, as lock-up slightly bogged the motor out of the hole. Keep in mind that if your running a looser converter obviously lock-up at anytime would help. That's not the case with the 93%race.



One of our customers has 60foot time ranging from 1. 56-1. 60 without lock-up, where most guys locking the TC up right away are in the 1. 80's or slower.



With the power you are going to I would also add the Billet Servo and Accumulator to help strengthen 2nd and 3rd gear.



Also keep in mind that the 93%race is very aggressive TC, so it will shift aggressive. Most trucks that I've driven in that are equipped with these TC's chirp the tires thru 2nd and 3rd gear on the street. This TC isn't for everyone, it's a full out hot rod set-up.

 

[Jetpilot]

I know of at least one truck that can "blow the tires off" at 70 mph by just laying on the throttle Its equipped with the full meal deal DTT transmission and TC



Doug

 

[JDerbedrossian]

can you do daily driving with these tc's at all with no heat problems

 

[jwilliams3]

If your going to be drag racing.

Your going to be locking up your torque converter.

After about 30mph or so.



This is where that ATS triplelok and emjay controller would come in real handy.

Like mentioned before, if your going to do hard launches with boost. I would also suggest the billet shafts.

But, you can always just wait for them to break and then get them fixed.



Most of the DTT racers lockup their converters while drag racing for a reason, faster ET's and MPH.



You might want to think about a converter that is rated for locking up.



www.atsdiesel.com



--Justin

 

[Stefan Kondolay]

jwilliams is right,

You should think about a TC that is rated for lock-up, one member (Jetpilot) in this thread has made 886hp in lock-up with a DTT unit. This is a Daily driven truck that just happens to spend a lot of time on the dyno and drag strip. As a drag racer myself I know that of parts that are proven get me down the track, not parts that people say should work. Facts are Facts and Jetpilot 886hp is the highest automatic truck out there. And he's just getting started.



If you read what I told XcumminsX you would see that I told him the fastest way to get down a track is with a tight TC then lock it up in third gear and forth. That is where a guy can go out and buy a 5 dollar switch if he choses or get an expensive controller makes no difference.



Waiting till you break your shafts would not really be all that smart for anyone, because breaking an input shaft require a trans removal, tear down, parts replacement, and re-installation. Especially if they are looking to do what XcumminsX is saying he is going to do.



About the heat for daily driving, no it's not really a problem at all, a lot of members due run them as a daily driven converter without problems. Although they due run hotter in traffic, it's not a problem.



As far as what ET you will go, A DTT customer (Rhonda) has gone 12. 68@104 with 468PDR dyno tested HP. No Twins, No Drug.

 

[MADDOG2]

Originally posted by Stefan Kondolay

jwilliams is right,

You should think about a TC that is rated for lock-up, one member (Jetpilot) in this thread has made 886hp in lock-up with a DTT unit. This is a Daily driven truck that just happens to spend a lot of time on the dyno and drag strip. As a drag racer myself I know that of parts that are proven get me down the track, not parts that people say should work. Facts are Facts and Jetpilot 886hp is the highest automatic truck out there. And he's just getting started.



If you read what I told XcumminsX you would see that I told him the fastest way to get down a track is with a tight TC then lock it up in third gear and forth. That is where a guy can go out and buy a 5 dollar switch if he choses or get an expensive controller makes no difference.



Waiting till you break your shafts would not really be all that smart for anyone, because breaking an input shaft require a trans removal, tear down, parts replacement, and re-installation. Especially if they are looking to do what XcumminsX is saying he is going to do.



About the heat for daily driving, no it's not really a problem at all, a lot of members due run them as a daily driven converter without problems. Although they due run hotter in traffic, it's not a problem.



As far as what ET you will go, A DTT customer (Rhonda) has gone 12. 68@104 with 468PDR dyno tested HP. No Twins, No Drug.

Stefan, I have to disagree with you on a couple of things. First of all a Ford auto (E4OD) is the highest horespower automatic diesel truck out there. and it's doing it all on #2. And second the fastest way to get down the track is with a loose TC launching with 30psi and going into "full" lockup at 4mph and staying there through the 1-2 shift 2-3 shift, and 3-4 shift. If you think I am wrong then show me another 7000lbs truck that can run 11. 28's in the 1/4 and go from 0 to 100 mph in 7. 2 seconds (all on #2, no water-meth, NOS, or Propane)

 

[Jetpilot]

MADDOG2



I managed to make 886 RWHP back in Sept. of this year... . Yep, this was using N20 but its still 886 .



Doug

 

[MCummings]

Nick,



I'm just a newbie at extreme HP, my wallet is tight, so I can't run with the Big Dogs, Doug, Nathan, John, Stefan, or the Maddog, Richard :-laf but I can pounce on them, like a cat LOL.



The Fastest '03 I have seen is one with a DTT.

I'm not running normal sized twins, I'm not running reasonable injectors, or DV's. I'm not running a reasonable sound system, I'm not even running a sane RPM.

On my 24V, I'm installing a charger most would laugh at, and injectors most would drool over, complementing a PDR Cam, and head, with o-rings and studs.



Call me. I am running an ATS trans. Let me tell you what I have experianced, replaced, changed, things I have learned, and what I would do different.



I have invested $5,000 in head work, injectors, DV's, and turbo's in the last ~3 months in my 12V. Learn from my mistakes, and experiances.



Merrick



I would not like to discuss everything over the 'net right now.

 

[CumminFast]

Hey Maddog,

Is your truck daily driven? What are your goals?

 

[Stefan Kondolay]

Maddog,



What the most hp that you have dynoed? Have you beating 886hp, if so I have never seen anyone talk about it.

 

[XcumminsX]

guys 0-100 in 7. 2 is insane. with alot of calculations im sure hes either up there or has insane trans getting a crazy % to the floor??

 

[Snow man]

Maddog, I seen your runs,very impressive. I know i dynoed at 646 RWHP,then ran a 12. 26 in real bad air,90 degrees and humid. I think the truick could have went maybe a tenth of so faster. My weight was 7100lbs at the line. Im happy with how it runs,i am not looking to add any more Hp,i would like to get drug free and stay at 646 though. My truck is daily driver,and family truck,i always have my 3 kids in it,I also tow our travel trailer with it in the summer. oh yeah its full time commerical plow truck too all winter.

 

[MADDOG2]

Originally posted by Stefan Kondolay

Maddog,



What the most hp that you have dynoed? Have you beating 886hp, if so I have never seen anyone talk about it.

My truck did 806hp back in June with tire slippage and could only manage 78psi of boost. I have made some changes since then and it will hit 100psi at the track. I personally don't need a dyno to tell me how much horsepower the truck makes because it does it's talking at the track. Like I said before you show me a 7000lbs truck that is even close to 11. 28 on just diesel, and IMHO you can then say your transmission is bolted to the highest hp diesel truck.



CumminFast, Yes the truck is a daily driver. I drive it to work every day, pull trailers with it, and haul my 5 kids around in it. Back in July I pulled a crewcab Dmax over the rocky mountains and then drove it to the track and raced it. No changes, no valet switch, just pull up to the line put it in 4 wheel and hang on.