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The problem:

1. The truck is a (2500) 1997 model that I purchased new.

2. Present odometer reading 95,000

3. TST #8 plate installed at 47,000 miles

4. Sun Coast converter installed at 48,000 miles

5. All oil and oil filter changes performed per Dodge schedule (mostly Cummins filters and Shell Rotella T oil)

6. Other scheduled maintenance (transmission, differential, valve adjustments and fuel filter replacement) performed per manufacturer’s schedule.

7. Most of its fuel was purchased at high volume stations --- (it has never had a water in fuel incident)

8. Engine has always started easily and runs smoothly (idle to full RPM)

9. Over its lifetime it has towed five different travel trailers (two fifth wheels and three tongue pulls) ranging in weight 6500# to almost 11000#.

10. About eighteen months ago we sold our fifth wheel and decided not to replace it.

11. I continued to use the truck for transportation. Sense we live way out in the boon-docks this truck rarely sees an engine start that isn’t followed by at least 10 plus miles of highway driving.

12. I have a lead foot and normally run the speed limit --- despite that it gets 19 to 21 mpg (those numbers are not spot checks. I have a kept a spreadsheet that recorded every gallon of fuel added to this truck --- this mileage is calculated on a three fill-up average).

13. This truck has been to the Rockies several times and has towed a ten thousand pound trailer above 10,000 feet, without incident.

14. This is not a super tow vehicle but from my point of view it’s everything I need. No matter the altitude, I have always been able to down shift, bring up the RPM and pull any hill on any (paved) highway. As best I can tell this is an average truck and engine given its age and after market modifications.



Now that’s the background, and this is the rest of the story. We decided to get back into the trailer owner ranks but to purchase a used basic (30’ with slide) tongue pull. The new (used) trailer weighs 7500 to 8000 lbs and is a quality unit that tracks very well. On the way home with the new (used) trailer in tow the engine ran fine the transmission shifted as expected but the power was not what it should be. Boost pressure was down, as was exhaust temp and I could not get the engine rpm much above 2300 in any gear. Boost pressure would on occasion bump up to 18 or 19 lbs but only when rpm was below 2000. (at higher rpm the boost wouldn’t get much above 10#). Another problem is that, I've reach the age where I forget more than I remember, so began to wonder if I had just forgotten how the truck performed in the past. Just check thing out I decided to take the trailer out on a 650 mile (round trip) get-away. We spent most of the first 250 miles on I45 and I10 running between 60 & 70 MPH with more than enough power for those speeds. Out in the Texas hill country we took on some steep (but short) grades, if the engine RPM stayed below 2000 it pulled well enough (but not with the power I remembered). If it down-shifted to lower gear the power, boost and exhaust temp would drop off as rpm went up and it acted as though the governor was set at 2400 RPM. I convinced myself the problem was low transfer fuel pump pressure. Just as a shot in the dark I had decided to replace the fuel bypass valve when I got home.

On the way home we must have passed through the twilight zone because engine power started to improve. By the time we got home my truck felt as though it had been through the shop, but still wasn’t quite up to full power. How can this be (???) ---- machinery doesn’t fix itself (???) --- something has to have happened… The only thing that had happened here was that the truck had towed a trailer at highway speed for something over 650 miles. The only thing that occurred to me was that the waste gate was (perhaps) stuck in the partially open position. That was caused by a carbon build-up that ultimately burned away with the increase load on the engine. That’s a whole lot of guesswork but the best my (uninformed) imagination could do.

In an effort to do something (right or wrong) I disconnected the hose that ties the waste gate actuator to the charger output and connected it to an airline. I put pressure (about 35#) on and let it off several dozen times. I took the truck out (solo) and my imagination says “it's running better” --- on one zero to seventy run I was able to bump the boost pressure over 20# and exhaust temp a hair over 1000 deg with peddle to the metal. That's getting really close to the way I remember this truck’s past performance … Keep in mind that I don’t want to race or challenge any off road hills, all I want is a good reliable trailer tow vehicle …

All that leads to these questions:

1. Is this guess about the carbon build-up a real possibility?

2. Is it common for the B 5. 9 to do this?

3. Other than exercising (working the engine by pulling a load) what can be done to prevent it?

Thanks for your response---

Old George (AKA Bewildered)
 
Your boost seems a bit low to me. With only a TST plate on mine I would get 29 PSI. I think you should check to make sure all clamps on the intercooler hoses and pipes are tight. Also check to see if there is a hole rubbed in the lower boot on the driver's side. Carbon build up might be a factor, but boost should hit 20 PSI without having to run it up to 70 with the throttle wide open.
 
Your boost does seem low. If I recall correctly, my truck seemed low on power when my fuel return line needed replacing. After I replaced both lines going to the injection pump, it ran a lot better. Might be something to check along with the intercooler hoses. I didn't have gauges at the time, so I don't know what my boost and EGT numbers were. If they've never been replaced, they might be due. If it's a little harder to start than normal, that would be another clue.



Jim
 
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I bet you $50 bucks its your it's your overflow valve! Oo.



I could swear mine did the same thing. My guess is that that's why you were unable to get the RPM's past about 2200. Thats exactly what mine did.



Change that and see if your RPM's increase immediately. Mine did withing 5 minutes on the freeway test. Wow. My power came right back.



TJ
 
I think George already replaced the OF valve.

I've run into the carboned wastegate problem a couple of times, symptoms just like yours. If the gate has been running partially open for a good length of time sometimes the gate sealing surface will get an uneven coating of carbon on it and will never close fully till you take it apart and chip the carbon off.

Have no idea how to avoid it but the occurrences seem to be far between. One thing I can tell you is never exceed about 30 psi opening the gate with compressed air, I've known a couple people who have blown out the diaphragm with higher pressure.
 
This won't help track down your problem any easier, but just an observation from my experiences with my own 1997 2500 5spd w/ 3. 54s...



Over time my truck will slowly seem to get slower. Not to the point where there's any particular problem, it just feels down on power... if I tow something with any decent weight for a couple hundred miles, the truck runs better. I thought it was just me, but after pulling a load and then unhitching the trailer so its empty again, the truck has new life. It's more responsive in the lower RPMs and just seems to be "happier. "



If trucks had a personality, I'd say our trucks are just overly bored from driving with no load and towing something makes them feel like they have a purpose again. ;)



Interesting indeed...
 
There is always the possibility of a plug cat, although this doesn't apply Hogan ( by his sig). These trucks like to work, most people can't even dream to own a vehicle that thrives on working up a good temperature just to ask for more:D
 
Originally posted by illflem

One thing I can tell you is never exceed about 30 psi opening the gate with compressed air, I've known a couple people who have blown out the diaphragm with higher pressure.



So what about on my twinned truck, the Diaphragm see's 70+PSI on the wastegate of the little turbo.



Do you think I should go out and check it to see if the diaphragm is blown out of it?



Merrick Cummings Jr
 
Originally posted by MCummings

So what about on my twinned truck, the Diaphragm see's 70+PSI on the wastegate of the little turbo.



Do you think I should go out and check it to see if the diaphragm is blown out of it?



Merrick Cummings Jr
When the diaphram blows out the wastegate stays shut, maybe that's the reason you have 70 psi of boost. Intercooler is only rated to 50 psi, it might be next.

If you like having high boost don't do anything.
 
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