When is the aftermarket...

[CM_Guest]

Do you even know the difference between a 47RE and a 48RE? Or a A518 and an A618? Obviously not. But there's a lot you don't know. That's abundantly clear. Including the ability to prevent yourself from getting EMBARASSED. Because that's exactly what I'm fixing to do to you. But back to the trannies. They have different OVERDRIVE PLANETARIES. 518s have FIVE pinions in the overdrive planetary. 618s have SIX. The 518 was replaced by the 47RH. The 47RH was replaced by the 47RE. Guess what a 48RE has? SIX. Do you see the connection there? Do you REALLY think Dodge went from a SIX-PINION A618 to a FIVE-PINION 47RH and then BACK to a SIX-PINION 48RE? When the most common UPGRADE for a 47RH is a SIX-PINION OD PLANETARY? A 48RH is a 47RH with a SIX-PINION OD PLANETARY. I'm going to make you look so bad you'll never show your face around here again. Because I've found at LEAST half a dozen DODGE TRANSMISSION WEBSITES and PARTS LISTINGS and FORUM THREADS that SPECIFICALLY mention the 48RH. That'll be the warmup. My plan is to put up a new beatdown on you one or twice a day for a week and THEN post the factory paperwork. THEN I'm going to post every one of your comments like this one where you keep repeating the same b.s. over and over and over despite having had a whole day to pull your head out and do a real Google search. But I know you HAVE. And you know I'm right. And now you're just blabbing on and on and on thinking and hoping that eventually I'll just get tired of hearing it and ignore you. You're half right. I'm going to ignore you. Until it's time to NOT ignore you. You might give some thought to how you're going to try to lie your way out of this mess like you lied your way in. Toodles.

 

[JR]

I think you need to post that build sheet from your 94. It is not going to show a 48 series trans linked with your VIN. If you put one in the truck on your own dime that is a different story and instead of being a d bag you need to just come out and say it.
For being such a good mechanic and a REAL FARMER you sure do make a lot of references to Google To back up your knowledge.

You can get your build sheet through Ram here.

http://m.ramtrucks.com/en/mobile/webselfservice/index.html?ref=//webselfservice/ram/index.html

 

[CM_Guest]

Really? I can? I think I already knew that. How do you THINK I found out what the transmission is? I searched my 2002 and posted that build sheet on an earlier thread here because that other "expert" told me there is NO WAY to get transmission type from a VIN. Too bad THAT sheet shows 47RE, isn't it? Let's get down to brass tacks. How much money do you want to lose? I'll put $1000 on the table right now. Because I KNOW what's in my truck. I was specifically LOOKING to see if had a 48RH because all the "experts" claiming here wasn't one didn't make any sense to me. And no, I didn't put it in there. How COULD I if they DON'T EXIST? The transmission is the one that came with it. Before I had it my dad had it. Before he had it a friend of mine had it. He got it in '98 or so. All you experts that claim there's no such thing crack me up. Like Dodge was going to go from a 6-pinion A618 in their heavy-duty 3/4-ton 1st gens to a 5-pinion 47RH in their heavy-duty 2nd gens with MORE POWER and then BACK to a 6-pinion 48RE? If you folks knew the guts of the transmissions, you'd know that the OD planetary has ALWAYS been the MAJOR difference between 518s and 618s AND 47REs and 48REs. And if you knew THAT you wouldn't be claiming that a transmission DOESN'T exist which Dodge would OBVIOUSLY build between the 618 and 48RE the same way the 47RH came between the 518 and the 47RE. There is NOTHING magical or impossible about a 48RH. It's just a 47RH with a 6-pinion OD planetary. The REASON none of you "experts" know that is because you rely on the INTERNET for your information. My truck is ALSO a 2500HD. A 1994 2500HD. But wait, they didn't make 2500HDs until the mid-2000s. I must be full of it on THAT too. Right? Too bad it says 2500HD RIGH ON THE DOOR TAG. Why? It's an 8800 GVW truck that took the place of the ONE-TON W350 with single rear wheels. Did Dodge build a 3500 SRW 2nd gen truck. No, they didn't. Instead they built a 2500HD with 8800-lb GVW AND a 48RH transmission AND a NV241HD transfer case. ALL of which I can and WILL prove if you'll just put your money where your mouth is. Snoking won't put $1000 on what HE knows is TRUE. Will YOU? I'm not posting ANYTHING until somebody puts there money where there mouth is. I KNOW the truth and I can prove that THOUSANDS of "experts" were wrong and weren't smart enough to wonder just how or why Dodge would go from 6-pinion overdrives to 5-pinion overdrives and back to 6-pinion overdrives when the 6-pinion overdrive was designed SPECIFICALLY for their HIGHEST GVW trucks with the Cummins engines. There WAS no A618 until they beefed up the A518 with the 6-pinion planetary. So there would be no 48RE if they hadn't gone 6-pinion. But yet the "experts' are convinced that they added a 6-pinion planetary and then dropped the 6-pinion planetary and then brought back the 6-pinion planetary again. Yeah. That makes PERFECT sense. It just goes to show what an echo chamber the internet is. And how willing people are to believe whatever they hear rather than find out for themselves. So get your money out and you'll get some proof. Until then, I don't care what you have to say. I KNOW I'm going to win. I did see something kind of funny on another forum. A guy posted a comment about a "Hot 48RH". In a '95. He was pretty much a rookie by the sound of it. I wonder where he got that "48RH"? Guess what happened? A bunch of "experts" told him there's no way he had a 48RH. Had to be a 47RH. Apparently they trashed him enough he changed his signature so changed it to 47RH. He found 48RH SOMEWHERE, didn't he? I'll bet HIS truck says 2500HD on the door tag and NV241HD on the transfer case like mine does. Oh well, his "experts" will be eating crow along with "mine" when I go public with proof. So get your money out. l

 

[CM_Guest]

Why does ATS have a deep pan with this description?

ATS 3019002116 (ATS Diesel Deep Transmission Pan) applies to the Dodge Cummins Diesel with a 46RE, 46RH, 47RE, 47RH, 48RE, 48RH Transmission from vehicle manufactured date ranging 1988-2007.
Lower Trans Temp with More Fluid
An ATS Deep Pan is an easy upgrade that can upgrade your transmission more than any other part that can be added. By extending oil life and scheduled services, lowering transmission heat, and making servicing easier, the ATS Deep Pan is a great upgrade and can make a huge difference in keeping your transmission lubricated and cool.

And what is this?

http://chicago.ebayclassifieds.com/...h-48re-48rh-transmission-rebuilt/?ad=14206046

And this?

http://www.ocdiesel.com/ATS-Diesel-3059002104-Billet-Flex-Plate-p/ats-3059002104.htm

How about this?

http://www.innovativediesel.com/dtt...ebuild-kit-fits-94-95-dodge-5-9l-cummins.html

Where did this come from?

DODGE RAM A618/47RH/47RE/48RH/48RE, +3 qt (1998-Present) $159.99
511-48RE DODGE RAM A618/47RH/47RE/48RH/48RE, +3 qt (1998-Present) Pro-Series

It sure is strange how many transmission parts manufacturers make parts for and list a transmission that doesn't exist. Get out your money.

 

[CM_Guest]

Well I'll be... This guy doesn't have a 48RH in his truck just like I don't have one in mine. Hmm. And his is a V10. It seems to me I read somewhere that they used 48RHs behind Cummins and V10 engines. Must have been a typo.

 

[JR]

What are you trying to prove with those links? Your rambling around in circles and are making no sense. The A818 did not even come into play in OEM form until 03 and it was an RE. Is it possible you have a manual version of the 48? Yes. Did it come from Chrysler In 94? Put your build sheet up and prove us wrong. I'm not wasting my time making a bet on the internet, I can tell by your lack of morale you won't pay up anyway.

 

[Wayne M.]

This is really getting ridiculous.
I'm a Mopar guy and I can say a thing or 2 about this. First, the "A" numbers are engineering designations. We come to use them to designate models of certain items, especially engines and transmissions. In the 1990's Chrysler got away from this and started to code transmissions thusly.
Forward speeds
Torque rating
Configuration
Control type
In the case of 48 RE VS. RH. Does the transmission in question have an electronic governor/ controls? If yes it's an E. If it has old school hydraulic controls (not including the O/D unit) it's an H.

I WONT get involved in the argument of who made what and when, but this is a simple question.
CJ, does your transmission have electronics? One word answer please!!!

 

[JR]

I think the one thing everyone can agree on is the fact he has a Rear Drive Hydraulic controlled trans. To have an elctronically controlled transmission in a 94 he would have to run a standalone controller, and according to him it's completely factory.
All he has to do is post the build sheet, but for some reason I don't think that is going to happen.

 

[SnoKing]

I think the one thing everyone can agree on is the fact he has a Rear Drive Hydraulic controlled trans. To have an elctronically controlled transmission in a 94 he would have to run a standalone controller, and according to him it's completely factory.
All he has to do is post the build sheet, but for some reason I don't think that is going to happen.

JR, in post #60 I ask him:

"Tell us more about your 48RH transmission in you 94. Did you marry 48RE parts into the stock 46RH transmission. Or marry the 46RH shift stuff into a 48RE?" ****I made a typo an used 46RU in place on 47RH.***** My bad. Given that he does not take time to read what we post, he did not correct me on that!

Yes someone could maybe take a 48RE and put it back together with some 47RH parts. But one of the major difference in the 48RE it had more electronic control of the shifting.

"The 47RE was still shifting under autonomous hydraulic control, but with electric TCC, electric governor, electric overdrive - the 48RE has improved heavier-duty internals, is under full TCM control incl shifting - the 48RE internals can be directly installed in the 47 series for heavy-duty service" But hold the train, the aftermarket guys rebuild the 48RE to higher standards than Dodge did. Guys have been rebuilding torqueflite's for decades to higher than OEM standards. They do not take 48RE stuff to rebuild 47 series trannies, as there is better aftermarket stuff available.

The Mired One is just a troll that thinks he knows everything, yet in two threads I found and linked to he asked rookie transmission question about shifting and hunting issues like so many other new comers to TDR. The difference between him and most of the others is that he is a misinformed know it all.

Like a baby that is not yet born, a 48RH could not have existed in 1994, as they did not move from 47 series to 48 series until MY 2003! Understand the 4 is for number of gears and 7 is for strength rating, it was not until the MY 2003 increase in the strength rating of the 48 series slipped out between her mothers(47 series) legs.

Now back to collecting money for the pink T-Shirt! Wonder if he will wear it to work at his JD dealership? He has to be a lot of fun setting around the lunch room telling his buddies how much he knows! More than them, more than anyone one TDR and more than everyone else period!

OH yeah! We have him using a few paragraphs now! If we could now get him to indicate who he is replying to next, that might clarify things even more!

Chris

 

[SnoKing]

And I think the Mired One wins the all time TDR award for!

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[CM_Guest]

Why are you talking about an 818? I didn't say anything about an A818. I mentioned the A518 and A618 from the 1st-gen trucks which became the 47RH and 48RH, which are HYDRAULIC transmissions. They may have an ELECTRIC CONVERTER LOCKUP SOLENOID, but they are NOT "electronic" transmissions. There is NO electronic control of the valve body and no shift solenoids. And when they added ELECTRONICS those transmissions became the 47RE and the 48RE. It's not that hard to understand IF you know what's inside the transmission. Obviously the fact that transmission builders can charge $3000 - $8000 plus a core charge for a rebuilt trans is PROOF not many people know the internals. I do. I have no doubt anyone that thinks there is no 48RH doesn't realize the only difference between an 47RH and a 48RH is the OD planetary assembly. The difference is 5 planet pinions in the 47RH and 6 planet pinions in the 48RH. Which seems to jive pretty well with the 518 that has 5 and the 618 that has 6. A518s and A618s don't have lockup torque converters. I'm not talking about an ELECTRONICALLY CONTROLLED transmission. 48RH - H = HYDRAULIC. What's funny is how LITTLE overall difference there is between an A518 and a 48RE ONCE you get past the valvebody and the lockup converter. They are NOT very ifferent transmissions the way a TH350 and a TH400 are or a 4L60E and 4L80E are. Which is exactly what makes the fact that so many people act like a 48RE is some MASSIVE IMPROVEMENT over an A518 so FUNNY. When one of you guys gets brave enough to put some money on the table, you'll get some proof. Until then, I'll just laugh as you talk about me behind my back in front of my face. Have a nice day!

 

[CM_Guest]

Get your money out...

 

[CM_Guest]

When did that change take place again? I had a FACTORY service manual for my '92. And I know that A518s and A618s didn't have lockup converters. The BIG change wth the introduction of the new "designation" was the lockup torque converter. Are you disputing that the A518 or 518 or WHATEVER you want to call the non-lockup OD automatics, evolved into the 47RH and 48RH? They did. You can try to confuse the issue talking about engineering terms or designations all you want. If that's the "engineering designation" then I'm being pretty ACCURATE when I use it. Right? That "engineering designation" is what's shown in the SERVICE MANUAL. So what did they do with A618? AFTER they'd specifically gone to a SIX-PINION overdrive planetary FOR THE DIESEL PICKUPS? They DROPPED that and went back to FIVE and used the 47RH and then decided to go BACK to SIX with the 48RE? I KNOW the difference between an "H" and an "E". Did you think I didn't? That's funny. I BUY the manuals for my trucks and I READ them. Those little 4-speed autos are TINKER TOYs compared to what I work on, so I'm not intimidated by them. And I know what the story is. I had a '92. It had an A518. That trans "became" the 47RH after they added a lockup converter which was ELECTRICALLY CONTROLLED. That does NOT make the transmission ELECTRONIC. My'94 does NOT have an electronic transmission. It DOES have a lockup converter you can SHUT OFF. That makes it ELECTRIC, not ELECTRONIC. ELECTRONIC transmissions use SHIFT SOLENOIDS. That is probably the EXACT problem here. People that don't know the transmissions assume that if a transmission has a lockup torque converter, it must be electronic. They're wrong. So tell me, do I have it pretty well figured out or NOT?

 

[p-Bar]

I think when they mean electronic it is controlled by the ECU so the transmission is no longer stand alone .

 

[SnoKing]

I think when they mean electronic it is controlled by the ECU so the transmission is no longer stand alone .

Please do not confuse him with details, he is already way to confused to ever see the light of day on this! He does not even know that the 47RE to 48RE update included an early higher volume pump.

Because a couple after market vendors miss state the fulfillment of transmission pans he has this one off 48RH transmission in a 1994 truck.

Based on The Mired One's logic I can claim I have a 48RE in my 01, as the same pan goes on the 47RE and 48RE. Here is my proof from Mag Tech.

Dodge vehicles.

* All Dodge Transmission Pans Have A Gasket
* 727-D & 727-DD cover all these transmissions:
Torqueflight 8, 727
(36RH, 37RH - 66 to 89)
(46RH, 47RH - 89 to 95)
and is also called the A-518
(46RE, 47RE - 96 to 01)
(48RE 02 to 2007.5).

Well except the Mag Tech one will not fit a 48RH! WTF one of the biggest aftermarket cover manufacturers has not heard of the 48RH transmission???

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[Wayne M.]

TH350 and TH400 alike? Really?

 

[SnoKing]

TH350 and TH400 alike? Really?

Well you know what they say about a farmer? "A man outstanding in his field!" Chris
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[CM_Guest]

You MIGHT want to go back and READ what I said. Which was that the "different" Dodge trannies ARE NOT as DIFFERENT as a TH350 and TH400 ARE. Or don't. I don't have a problem with you not understanding what I said and claiming I said something different. It just proves how "smart" people are when they don't even bother to read anything carefully.

 

[CM_Guest]

It sure is funny ATS has one that does. And then there's the 47RH/48RH rebuild kit I posted a link to. I also came across a Dodge technician referring to 48RHs in a post he made on one of those online help desk forums where professional techs charge a few bucks to help people. I'm saving that for the big post I'm going to put on here when I finally decide you're just not going to learn not to argue with someone that doesn't LIE about things online. There's also a for-sale ad for a '95 with a V10 that says 48RH right in the description. When are you going to show me the money? If you're so convinced your right you're not risking anything at all. So MAN UP? This is pretty funny. 5 or 6 experts that are all convinced they are right but are unwilling to take my $1000. What's even funnier has how many times I've OWNED you in the last 3 or 4 days EVERY time you've opened your mouth and you STILL aren't smart enough to keep it closed. Since you can't keep it closed, I'll just tell you right now that arguing with something I say is FACT is a losing proposition. I DON'T say something is a FACT unless I can PROVE IT. I have NO problem saying "maybe" or "I think" or "I don't know". This pattern is amusing. I post fact, you scream B.S!!!! like a little girl and post your pictures like THEY mean anything or let your smileys do your talking and the whole time I'm just waiting to drop the hammer on you. Yeah. I COULD just post the build sheet. But I'm smart enough to know that people like you that can't have a REASONABLE discussion and won't admit when your wrong are just going to say its FAKE. So get your money out and I"lll email you my truck's VIN and you can find out for YOURSELF. How about it? You posted a picture of a deep pan as your "proof" and ignored the link I posted to an ATS pan that DOES list the 48RH? That's about as spinelss as it gets. But THANKS for ADMITTING that there reallly is no BIG DIFFERENCE between a 47RH and a 48RE or ANY of the other OD automatics derived from the 727 Torqueflite.

 

[CM_Guest]

Who built your transmission for you? I know you didn't do it. If you did you'd know what the OD planetary looks like and how many pinions it has and you could compare THAT to the FIVE in a 47RH/RE and the SIX in a 48RH/RE.